# TUTH and the Mrs... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 21, 2008, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986 "2008-08-21T07:46:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/21 "2008-08-21T21:33:59Z")
Hi jchirsch šŸ™‚ Here are a couple posts that may help you out. > [@The Chemistry of Desire](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-chemistry-of-desire/11973): > > The Chemistry of Desire Monday, Jan. 19, 2004 By MICHAEL D. LEMONICK Eight years ago, after she had a hysterectomy at age 42, Roslyn Washington was left with an unexpected side effect. Her doctors, who had recommended removing her ovaries as well as her uterus because of fibroid tumors and an ovarian cyst, had warned her about a lengthy recovery period. But, she says, ā€œI was not aware of the fact that there would be a decrease in my sexual life.ā€ Thatā€™s something of an understatement. Washingtā€¦ > [@Rock 'Em Sock 'Em...In the Ring with ICM 0.25.1b](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rock-em-sock-em-in-the-ring-with-icm-0-25-1b/17310): > > Wolf and Iā€™ve been testing SteveOā€™s ICM 0.25.1b. Taken it for a run five times. I wanted to be sure my reactions were on target. Only one outside testing around othersā€¦thatā€™s another report. The other fourā€¦strictly the hokey pokey. Wolfā€™s used up to five sprays of it. 3 to chest, 1 to abdomen, 1 split to wrists. This sprayed on after 2 drops of Raw Power has dried down. Yeah, baby. Edit: I..ahā€¦forgot some pertinant information. Sorry about that :o. The version Iā€™m using has bumped up P83, the aā€¦ Hang in there, I wish you the best. šŸ˜‰ Bella ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/22 "2008-08-21T21:53:13Z")
> [@jchirsch](#): > > Thank you soooooooooo much Riverā€¦ I am faced with a not so dissimilar situationā€¦ My wife has problems finding the energy for sex. It is easier to convince yourself youā€™re too tired or that there are too many things going on at workā€¦ > I thought, I needed a bit of help to help her jump the fence or barrier she seems to be building herself. > > Another thing she told me (and I donā€™t know how to take it) was that she was a bit feeling overpowered by the fact that I was always ONā€¦ (whenever she wants it, whatever the time night or day, I am ONā€¦) and thought she didnā€™t really need to desire me. I hope Turn Up The Heat will actually build that desire (or actually push her towards the frame of mind where she is thinking, what the hell, the kids are in bed letā€™s have fun, life is too shortā€¦šŸ™„) > > JC OMGā€¦what she told you about being overpowered that youā€™re always ON is EXACTLY what I used to think about my husband too. I donā€™t know how many times I asked to just be cuddled with (and seriously meant it) but EVERY TIME he got turned on and I was thinking to myselfā€¦I NEED MORE THAN JUST GOOD SEX!! {Poor guy šŸ˜® } I need cuddles, and back rubs, and for him to actually talk to me about more than just the weather. I even convinced myself that the only reason why he touched me was to have sex! LOL! How twisted is that?! Those stupid thoughts stemmed from a lot of other problems we were having and seemed to just take over my mind every time I crawled into bed, that is, until I had my epiphany, as I explained earlier. Besides that, Iā€™ve resigned myself to the fact that my husband does NOT have a romantic bone in his body, nor is he a ā€œcuddlyā€ kind of guy. Itā€™s just the way he is, and Iā€™m ok with that, now I am anyways! And, if pheros can help change that, even just a little, then GREAT!šŸ™‚ Are you able to ā€œrestrainā€ yourself sometimes in order to build your wifeā€™s confidence up that you are interested in her more than just for having sex? I know, and YOU know that you are interested in her for more than just that, but she may not FEEL that when sheā€™s obviously obsessed in her mind with other things in life (family, work, sleep, etc). I know thatā€™s no where near as much fun as having sex all the time, but I think if you help her work some of that stuff out, sheā€™ll come around. Maybe try to keep using Instant Honesty and Instant Openess, on both of you, and maybe sheā€™ll open up and start talking more about whatā€™s bothering her and what she would like from you. Maybe her expectations and yours are not even in the same book, let alone the same chapter. If she feels more open towards you with regards to the rest of life, the sex life will naturally follow. Of course, Turn Up The Heat may shove it to the front of the line šŸ˜ƒ , but I think there are still more underlying issues with her. Women tend to make things WAAAAYYY more complicated than they really need to be, especially if sheā€™s the serious, responsible type person that she seems to be. Maybe even a little [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) would work wonders on her and get her to loosen up a little. Spaceland, maybe? I havenā€™t used either of these products, but some of the reports Iā€™ve read about them may help give you the results youā€™re looking for. Some of the more experience users should be able to tell you if this is good advice or not. ~~River ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/23 "2008-08-22T02:20:19Z")
Good observations River and thanks for sharing from a womanā€™s perspective - especially one who has been there ā€¦ Guys - take good note ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![jchirsch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jchirsch/32/742_2.png) [@jchirsch](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jchirsch)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 6:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/24 "2008-08-22T06:58:47Z")
> [@river](#): > > Are you able to ā€œrestrainā€ yourself sometimes in order to build your wifeā€™s confidence up that you are interested in her more than just for having sex? I know, and YOU know that you are interested in her for more than just that, but she may not FEEL that when sheā€™s obviously obsessed in her mind with other things in life (family, work, sleep, etc). I know thatā€™s no where near as much fun as having sex all the time, but I think if you help her work some of that stuff out, sheā€™ll come around. That is the difficult partā€¦ The vicious circle as I call itā€¦ The less you get the more you want. Living in almost a constant state of frustration doesnā€™t make one really open to just back rubbing šŸ˜‰ā€¦ Anyway, we already had this discussion my wife and I, we both acknowledge that the sex together is mind blowing, and SHE pointed out that whilst she loves it, there was a lot of things in her head that were preventing her from letting go in my embraceā€¦ She wanted me to make her DESIRE meā€¦ (I donā€™t know if this is clear)ā€¦ > [@](#): > > Maybe try to keep using Instant Honesty and Instant Openess, on both of you, and maybe sheā€™ll open up and start talking more about whatā€™s bothering her and what she would like from you. Maybe her expectations and yours are not even in the same book, let alone the same chapter. If she feels more open towards you with regards to the rest of life, the sex life will naturally follow. Of course, Turn Up The Heat may shove it to the front of the line šŸ˜ƒ , but I think there are still more underlying issues with her. I donā€™t think we have a real communication problem, we are able to exchange on our feelings and expectations, but I feel that her lack of desire and my frustrations mixed together are a big stumbling block. My thinking is that if I can be sexually satiated, I wonā€™t have so much problems to be just cuddly, give her a full body massage and kiss her good night without second thought (or at least not too manyā€¦šŸ˜ƒ) > [@](#): > > Maybe even a little Instant Female Magic would work wonders on her and get her to loosen up a little. I was seriosuly considering this after a first trial run of TUTHā€¦ as there is also a recurring monthly bad mood problem that canā€™t even be mentionned in her presence and that I would like to take care of šŸ™„ā€¦ I have read in some post that one of the interesting effects of IFM was how it eases PMSā€¦ But once again, thank you VERY much River your advice is worth a lot to me! JC ---
**Author:** ![jchirsch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jchirsch/32/742_2.png) [@jchirsch](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jchirsch)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/25 "2008-08-22T09:53:09Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Hi jchirsch šŸ™‚ Here are a couple posts that may help you out. > > [The Chemistry of Desire](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-chemistry-of-desire/11973) > > [Rock 'Em Sock 'Em...In the Ring with ICM 0.25.1b](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rock-em-sock-em-in-the-ring-with-icm-0-25-1b/17310) > > Hang in there, I wish you the best. šŸ˜‰ > > Bella Very interesting reading Bellaā€¦ Dpending on the results I get from first few experiments I may try and experiments with the mixes you are talking aboutā€¦ Cheers JC ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/26 "2008-08-22T15:08:40Z")
> [@jchirsch](#): > > She wanted me to make her DESIRE meā€¦ Did she give you specific ideas on how to accomplish that? Sometimes women just expect a guy to figure it out on their own but you can drive in circles for only so long. Sometimes you just have to ask for directions šŸ™„ I canā€™t wait to hear how the TUTH works on her. It did wonders for me!!!šŸ˜ƒ However, sheā€™s got to be willing to get ā€œclose enoughā€ with you to want to give it a try. Pheros will only work so far, the rest is up to you and her! > [@jchirsch](#): > > there is also a recurring monthly bad mood problem > [@jchirsch](#): > > her lack of desire Iā€™m curiousā€¦is she on birth control and how long has she been on it? Does she take pills or wear a patch? And if itā€™s pills, do you know if they are all the same color, or is each week a different color? I know this may seem like an odd question, but some pills have the same horomone content throughout the month and the multi-colored ones are a step-up regimen that increases the amount of horomones as the month progresses, instead of all at once. The step-up kind help ā€œsmooth outā€ the ups and downs of hormone levels because of the gradual increase in dosage. I would definitely suggest trying the [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) for women. It even comes in a TOGO which would be pretty cheap to try out. > [@jchirsch](#): > > full body massage Ohhh! I LOVE those!!! (deep sigh) ā€œShe wanted me to make her DESIRE meā€šŸ˜• - now thatā€™s just been bugginā€™ me this whole post ā˜¹ ā€¦does SHE think SHEā€™s sexy and desirable? I mean really, truly, deep down. It sounds like youā€™ve been doing your damnest to let her know you desire her, but if she doesnā€™t FEEL that she is, that could be inhibiting her. I just can not imagine that if you are feeling DAMNED SEXY and sheā€™s feeling DAMNED SEXY that an explosion wouldnā€™t occur šŸ˜ƒ There does have to be at least a LITTLE effort on her partā€¦ ~~River ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/27 "2008-08-22T17:03:26Z")
Bella & Bossā€“wow! thanks for the reps! Iā€™m just hoping JC & his wife can figure it out and get ON with it \\ As for sharing my experiences, Iā€™ve screwed up enough in my lifeā€¦Iā€™m just hoping someone else can learn from it faster than I did! LOL! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![jchirsch](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jchirsch/32/742_2.png) [@jchirsch](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jchirsch)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986/28 "2008-08-23T07:49:13Z")
> [@river](#): > > Did she give you specific ideas on how to accomplish that? Sometimes women just expect a guy to figure it out on their own but you can drive in circles for only so long. She didnā€™t really say howā€¦ She gave some clues (little attentions, being nice, that sort of generalistic thingsā€¦) As to me asking directions, I am doing it all the time, but I suspect she doesnā€™t where to go either. > [@](#): > > However, sheā€™s got to be willing to get ā€œclose enoughā€ with you to want to give it a try. Pheros will only work so far, the rest is up to you and her! That is my fearā€¦ (Youā€™ll need to have a look at NIGHT 2 of my journal when I have time to put it in) She doesnā€™t seem to be able to let go of her work related stress or problems once she is at home, and sheā€™ll start asking questions on deep subjects in the middle of cuddleā€¦šŸ™„ her mind is racing at a zillion mphā€¦ > [@](#): > > Iā€™m curiousā€¦is she on birth control and how long has she been on it? Nope,she stopped the pill more than 7 yrs ago, and we have been using condoms since then (Economically it makes sense considering the frequency with which we are using themā€¦) > [@](#): > > I would definitely suggest trying the Instant Female Magic for women. It even comes in a TOGO which would be pretty cheap to try out. I still want to have a proper try of Turn Up The Heat before going into more expenses: I live in the UK and having the thing delivered here is costing me $30ā€¦ It makes no sense to order just a TOGO of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)ā€¦ (If the experience with IS and Turn Up The Heat is good, I may order some Instant Female Magic, P83 (it looks like fun) and why not some Ammoā€¦ > [@](#): > > does SHE think SHEā€™s sexy and desirable? I mean really, truly, deep down. It sounds like youā€™ve been doing your damnest to let her know you desire her, but if she doesnā€™t FEEL that she is, that could be inhibiting her. I just can not imagine that if you are feeling DAMNED SEXY and sheā€™s feeling DAMNED SEXY that an explosion wouldnā€™t occur šŸ˜ƒ There does have to be at least a LITTLE effort on her part.. You may be touching something hereā€¦ I am always feeling she is restraining herself and very seldomly ā€˜go wildā€™ā€¦ Could it be a kind of ā€˜self esteemā€™ problem ??? As usual, nice tallking to you riverā€¦ [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-and-the-mrs/17986.md?page=1)