# Tuth + p83 = ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193 "2010-11-09T20:59:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sully462](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d26b3c/32.png) [@Sully462](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sully462)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/1 "2010-11-09T20:59:36Z")
It’s a math equation, people. And, because I don’t do math, I have to pose it to all of you more experienced 'moners (I’m gonna guess that’s not even correct slang). I’ve read on the forum about the potentially sexual or closeness effects of both TUTH and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) on this forum, but I have not seen anyone try both together. So, being a big noob and all, I wanted to see if anyone else has tried them together and what effects they’ve had in testing. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/2 "2010-11-09T21:02:45Z")
> [@Sully462](#): > > It’s a math equation, people. And, because I don’t do math, I have to pose it to all of you more experienced 'moners (I’m gonna guess that’s not even correct slang). I’ve read on the forum about the potentially sexual or closeness effects of both TUTH and P83 on this forum, but I have not seen anyone try both together. So, being a big noob and all, I wanted to see if anyone else has tried them together and what effects they’ve had in testing. The great thing about this is that, you can actually spray and on and see what it does. I know it may sound like a cop out, but TUTH and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) would seem like it would have great disinhibiting effects on women along with TUTH. However, sometimes it doesn’t work that way, cut and dry. I can tell you I have used TUTH and P83 but with others around it, and sometimes it’s worked and sometimes it didn’t. It was just the timing. Could it possibly work, absolutely, but the thing with Putatives are, sometimes they don’t act the way we researched it, sometimes we have to test out what it does with our body chem before doing anything. ---
**Author:** ![Sully462](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d26b3c/32.png) [@Sully462](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sully462)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/3 "2010-11-09T21:20:47Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Could it possibly work, absolutely, but the thing with Putatives are, sometimes they don’t act the way we researched it, sometimes we have to test out what it does with our body chem before doing anything. Blast! My search for the “Axe Effect” trudges on. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/4 "2010-11-09T21:28:46Z")
> [@Sully462](#): > > Blast! My search for the “Axe Effect” trudges on. More than likely you won’t find it. Women are not wired the same way as men when it comes to sex. Read The Mystery Method. Good stuff and it helps you understand what the differences in the genders are. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/5 "2010-11-09T21:45:34Z")
> [@Sully462](#): > > Blast! My search for the “Axe Effect” trudges on. I hate to say it but in the end we are now and from now on socialized creatures. The reason why you will never find the axe effect is because the axe effect would have to be absolute. The only thing I could label as axe effect slightly is a mix that would work great on ANY girl within one ethnicity and even then its difficult to find something that will speak and beseech the way we want it to. If your joking cheers to that. If you really are on a search and find something let us know. You’d get the nobel peace prize for finding an absolute aphrodisiac although at the same time it would probably destroy the world as a good percentage of people that couple together would be having offspring that are genetically inferior due to putting together genes that aren’t beneficial to each other. Its purely hypothesis on my part but to me [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) throw off the equation so wearing them to attract a mate is counter-conducive in the respect that we’re messing with natural selection/survival instincts when it comes to choosing our mate. But then again it is my perception that if a person could not maintain a long term relationship on their own (it isnt reasonable method to wear pheromones 24/7) then it would be only a matter of time before theres a huge rift between a couple for one reason or another. I suppose it boils down to how effective is pheromone memory on a person that we date seriously and if even by partial degree increases the bond/chemistry that we share with that significant other being compounded with our own physiological/personality attributes. ---
**Author:** ![Sully462](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d26b3c/32.png) [@Sully462](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sully462)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/6 "2010-11-09T22:50:51Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > If your joking cheers to that. Yeah, it was a joke. I played the ::drumroll please:: in my head, but didn’t put it on the page. But in all seriousness, a combo of TUTH and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is interesting because of the reported effects (which, I know, can vary). So has anyone else had any experience using just TUTH and P83 alone? Or shall I Lewis and Clark the crap out of it 🙄 (granted, it would only be with my wife… so I guess it wouldn’t be much of an experiment). ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-p83/43193/7 "2010-11-09T23:44:08Z")
> [@Sully462](#): > > Yeah, it was a joke. I played the ::drumroll please:: in my head, but didn’t put it on the page. But in all seriousness, a combo of TUTH and P83 is interesting because of the reported effects (which, I know, can vary). So has anyone else had any experience using just TUTH and P83 alone? Or shall I Lewis and Clark the crap out of it 🙄 (granted, it would only be with my wife… so I guess it wouldn’t be much of an experiment). Sully, Start with the Instant Line first there’s no point in going into a putative if you have no idea how pheromones affect you and how you’re going to be in social interactions. I would do that first above all else then get into putatives. There are so much to learn and know and you still need to get the concept of dosage, congruency, and right applications. P83 isn’t a magical molecule, it is one of my favorites, but it might just disappoint you in the end because it seems you have such a high expectation for it.