# TUTH problems: IO + TUTH at a bar made men friendly but women put off **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 22, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012 "2010-08-22T13:54:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/1 "2010-08-22T13:54:37Z")
Went to the bar last night, There was quite an abundance of females. so I figured hey cool, Lets see how this goes. I was wearing x2 sprays of IO on my forearms, and x1 TUTH to the back of my neck. Other then men being overly social with me for some reason or another (Think it was the IO) I was getting the ghost effect from women, I would try to strike up conversation and they would look at me like I was crazy and go about some other business. Now this has NEVER happend to me. It seems that men were more friendly and females were extremely put off. I dont understand how that works. But atleast I was pretty popular for conversation among the guy crowd all night. Can anyone explain how this is possible? I thought those effects were supposed to go the other way around? ---
**Author:** ![extremetestosterone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ea5d25/32.png) [@extremetestosterone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extremetestosterone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/2 "2010-08-22T15:31:44Z")
You’re pretty young…maybe you naturally produce a lot of -none. Next time try to buffer it with some more socials. For some reason when I first started out I underestimated the socials. What products do you have? We can make a suggestion for next time. One last thing, if the guys were talking to you have a good time and be friendly with them…maybe they’re hangin’ out with some bitches and they’ll bring you back to the table with them. Then when they’re exposed to your scent for like ten minutes or so the fun can begin. I am also curious to know how you apprached these woman…could have been a bad choice of words or maybe they’re just fucking stuck up cunts. Don’t be discouraged, just have fun with the experience and I guarantee girls will start approaching you!!! ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/3 "2010-08-22T19:32:47Z")
> [@extremetestosterone](#): > > You’re pretty young…maybe you naturally produce a lot of -none. Next time try to buffer it with some more socials. For some reason when I first started out I underestimated the socials. What products do you have? We can make a suggestion for next time. > > One last thing, if the guys were talking to you have a good time and be friendly with them…maybe they’re hangin’ out with some bitches and they’ll bring you back to the table with them. Then when they’re exposed to your scent for like ten minutes or so the fun can begin. I am also curious to know how you apprached these woman…could have been a bad choice of words or maybe they’re just fucking stuck up cunts. Don’t be discouraged, just have fun with the experience and I guarantee girls will start approaching you!!! As of right now only IO and TUTH. I’ve seen the benefits of IO, But TUTH has not been good to me. Yes I do have a feeling I produce ALOT of -none. So TUTH probably isnt the right choice for me. But yes, I made the best out of my night. Unfortunatly they were all single guys. As far as approaching the females they were outside for a cigarette and I just try to strike up a conversation about anything really, not exactly hitting on them, but a friendly how are you, or one came outside that I noticed was intently watching the football game, tried talking to her about that and she just kinda ignored me. Well.. They all did. Just tried friendly conversation with no undertones. Probably going to get some IH and IS soon. Just kind of playing with IO and TUTH starting out. going to probably get some to-go bottles of other things to experiment. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/4 "2010-08-22T20:39:18Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > As of right now only IO and TUTH. I’ve seen the benefits of IO, But TUTH has not been good to me. Yes I do have a feeling I produce ALOT of -none. So TUTH probably isnt the right choice for me. But yes, I made the best out of my night. Unfortunatly they were all single guys. As far as approaching the females they were outside for a cigarette and I just try to strike up a conversation about anything really, not exactly hitting on them, but a friendly how are you, or one came outside that I noticed was intently watching the football game, tried talking to her about that and she just kinda ignored me. Well.. They all did. Just tried friendly conversation with no undertones. Probably going to get some IH and IS soon. Just kind of playing with IO and TUTH starting out. going to probably get some to-go bottles of other things to experiment. I’m a couple of years older than you and I’ve gotten great result from mixes without Androstenone. Try using AMMO instead that’s way better for Androstenone instead of TUTH. Also try getting a status raising pheromone like [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) or A314. ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/5 "2010-08-22T23:05:24Z")
I wish A314 came in a half sized bottle for half the price.. Cant exactly justify that purchase at this time. Not like I cant afford it, But still.. I try to be conservative with things. Not saying I’m cheap either mind you. So what are the main difference between TUTH and AMMO then? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/6 "2010-08-22T23:12:37Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > I wish A314 came in a half sized bottle for half the price.. Cant exactly justify that purchase at this time. Not like I cant afford it, But still.. I try to be conservative with things. Not saying I’m cheap either mind you. So what are the main difference between TUTH and AMMO then? AMMO is Alpha Androstenol, AndrostERONE, and AndrostENONE all equal parts at 2.5mcg/spray. TUTH is AndrostENONE but has some molecules that steer it in the sexual direction. AMMO is less sexual but not so obvert. When you’re going out you don’t want to walk around like a walking hornball. Being a hornball is great when you already escalated to the point of sex. ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/7 "2010-08-23T00:14:02Z")
I see. So with my naturally higher level on -none I should focus on social mixes rather than sexual. I think with that, all I’d need is the alpha presence over everyone else and I’d be find. Thanks for the help guys! Any other input would be greatly appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/8 "2010-08-23T00:27:56Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > I see. So with my naturally higher level on -none I should focus on social mixes rather than sexual. I think with that, all I’d need is the alpha presence over everyone else and I’d be find. Thanks for the help guys! Any other input would be greatly appreciated. Yeah I always do social. The closest sexual [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) I wore last time I got intimate with a girl was P75. Everything else was A314 P83 P86 and IH ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/9 "2010-08-23T00:36:20Z")
So I take it you had similiar experiences with sexual [pheromones](https://a314.com/) eh? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/10 "2010-08-23T00:46:14Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > So I take it you had similiar experiences with sexual pheromones eh? Androstenone actually works well for me, even though I produce more of it than the nols and the erone. However TUTH hasn’t particularly worked for me just yet. I’ve just found suitable replacements like IJ and AMMO instead. For some reason I can’t show overt [sexual pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/sensual-pheromones/) signal. I get the creeper effect. But with IJ girls some to hate-love me and with AMMO it pairs very well with AMMO for me for attraction based hits. ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/11 "2010-08-23T00:56:03Z")
Hmm, Then I am really wondering what it is about TUTH that caused the reactions from the other night. or if there is sometihng about my phero signature that doesnt mix with it or something.. i have no idea lol ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/12 "2010-08-23T01:32:56Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > Hmm, Then I am really wondering what it is about TUTH that caused the reactions from the other night. or if there is sometihng about my phero signature that doesnt mix with it or something.. i have no idea lol TUTH has probably been the hardest for me to figure out. ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/13 "2010-08-23T02:54:24Z")
Well.. I sure picked a terrible one for a starting phero lol. It has indeed left me confused. So I guess I’ll have to purchase some other things this week. The sheer price of A314 makes me shutter though. ---
**Author:** ![extremetestosterone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ea5d25/32.png) [@extremetestosterone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/extremetestosterone)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/14 "2010-08-23T03:47:14Z")
With your next order you should get ammo and instant shine. A mix that has worked for me in the past was: 2 ammo 3 IO and 5 IS. I got that from wildflower’s journal and it works like magic. Read some of the journals…there are some very knowledgable people here. Anyway, later dude!!! Oh yeah, you should definately check out A314. I know it’s pricey, but you get what you pay for just like everything else in life. 🙂 Maybe try the to go spray version if money is an issue. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/15 "2010-08-23T04:06:37Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > I wish A314 came in a half sized bottle for half the price.. Cant exactly justify that purchase at this time. Not like I cant afford it, But still.. I try to be conservative with things. Not saying I’m cheap either mind you. So what are the main difference between TUTH and AMMO then? You can justify it, believe me after you try it you will find way to replace bottle after bottle. ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 10:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/16 "2010-08-23T10:17:28Z")
Aye… Just ordered the A314, and to-gos of everything else to get a feel for them. Out of to go AMMO though ☹ I hope its all money well spent! lol ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/17 "2010-08-23T13:41:23Z")
It will be, I’d save the A314 till after you’ve tested the other products though. It works and works great but it works slow, building up with subtle hits that stack gradually over time. If you’re not adept at reading body language and gauging peoples moods you might not notice and give up on it. That would be a shame because it’s easilly the most significant product that AD makes. ---
**Author:** ![Unique](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unique/32/935_2.png) [@Unique](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Unique)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/18 "2010-08-23T14:21:56Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > Aye… Just ordered the A314, and to-gos of everything else to get a feel for them. Out of to go AMMO though ☹ > > I hope its all money well spent! lol I gave up on sexual pheros too I get lots of attention from girls with A314 or IG ---
**Author:** ![HellzDuDe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hellzdude/32/359_2.png) [@HellzDuDe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HellzDuDe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/19 "2010-08-23T20:19:53Z")
Alright, all in all I ordered A314, IS, IH, IG, IJ I already have IO, and TUTH. So… I’ve got a broad spectrum.. kind of.. comming now. I’m not that great at reading body language right now. but ive learned alot from these forums. Is there any place else that gives way more in depth information about body language and PUA? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-problems-io-tuth-at-a-bar-made-men-friendly-but-women-put-off/41012/20 "2010-08-23T20:48:46Z")
> [@HellzDuDe](#): > > Alright, all in all I ordered A314, IS, IH, IG, IJ > > I already have IO, and TUTH. > > So… I’ve got a broad spectrum.. kind of.. comming now. > > I’m not that great at reading body language right now. but ive learned alot from these forums. Is there any place else that gives way more in depth information about body language and PUA? I like the David DeAngelo stuff. I was supscribed to his CD’s before and I really liked em. Vin DeCarlo is also good.