# tuth vs Pi for me personally **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 28, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609 "2010-02-28T02:59:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/1 "2010-02-28T02:59:35Z")
Good evening. Straight androstenone is useless because it promotes aggression, it must must must be buffered. Primal instinct fail! tuth! pass even if its only 2.5 mcg, blows all the other nones I have out of the water, even te and npa. I’m speaking for myself btw and have been wearing npa or pi almost everyday for 4 yrs. Can some elaborate on the modifiers in tuth? I searched the forums but it’s hard to find. I heard theres 17 in tuth. Most impressive product so far for me. P.S Npa works when I dilute it 20:1 and Primal only work when I dilute it 50:1 with colognes or essential oils. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/2 "2010-02-28T04:21:57Z")
Yeah I heard it has steering molecules designed to drive it in a more sexual direction, contrasted to IJ which has molecules designed to enhance the “jerk vibe”. Which makes me curious. If [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and Tuth have the same amount on non anyway, why not add TuTH’s “steering molecules” to Ammo? I can only see it enhancing the effect since it’s already buffered with nol and rone ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/3 "2010-02-28T04:44:33Z")
excellent point, perhaps we will have to wait for a new release, but anyway I have to commend them. What an incredible invention or concoction lol. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/4 "2010-02-28T12:54:07Z")
Ammo probably already has minute proportions of some other molecules. I highly doubt its just equal proportions of the 3 and I only say this because no company ever gives the exact break down of something they sell. Because the none in the TUTH is probably the only pronounced mone none of us really know what the steering mones are in it. You could guess and a lot of that’s been done but its hard to pinpoint such variables. If your putting 1 mL of NPA in 20 or 19 mL’s of cologne its no wonder TUTH would work better. Do a equal none ratio and then get back to us. I’m not promoting NPA in any way but with 20:1 ratio you have a 1-1.2 none PER ML of Liquid which leaves you with a lot less than a mcg per spray. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/5 "2010-03-01T01:17:42Z")
that’s right 20:1. Ive tried 5:1 like it is advised but after 1 hr u can smell the none, and thats when everyone runs away. So my philosophy is good dilution to not actively smell the none but subconsciously detect it. Its working well so far. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/6 "2010-03-01T14:09:49Z")
I’m not sure if there’s 17 modifying pheros in TUTH, but there’s something like 17 or 23 in A314. As for Ammo, reliable company sources have said that it’s equal proportions of the three and I’m pretty sure they would not flat out lie to us. Even with other companies knowing the formula, Androtics’ basic ingredients are better than everyone else’s so their Ammo would still beat the pants off the competition. Who knows - maybe the “steering pheros” in TUTH are already the ones in Ammo?? Self-effects, for me anyway, from TUTH include a bit of aggressiveness and a predatory feeling. Must be the 'none. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/7 "2010-03-01T14:39:19Z")
I’m not saying AD is lying. I’m going by the perception that very few places actually divulge what’s exactly in anything. When a famous restaurant showcases one of their signature dishes on a TV station they tell you how to make it but not exactly how they themselves would do it leaving out some key elements. Its not lying its just basic disclosure instead of full disclosure. I bet you if I were to buy ammo customized in akuto and along with that make a mone mix with as close to the 2.5 proportion of all 3 as possible and buy akuto fragrance from AD to try to concoct something just like the customized consumer bought Ammo it wouldn’t be the same. I haven’t tested it personally but it just doesn’t seem feasible. I don’t think its safe to say that a company can necessarily synthesize nol/rone/none better than another company I believe its more about AD having a better fixative for the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). In tennis people tend to think that the form of your groundstroke is the most important. Problem is if you don’t possess the mobility and foot work to get to the ball and make it yours it doesn’t matter how godly your forehand or your backhand is. In this respect the fixative which helps diffuse the pheromone is what holds the glory when the whole thing trickles down. Although I have to say I’ve made 1 or 2 homemade ammo wannabes and their pretty satisfying to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![nihar1966](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@nihar1966](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nihar1966)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2010, 8:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/8 "2010-04-17T08:10:11Z")
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**Author:** ![MVKBUGATTI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@MVKBUGATTI](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MVKBUGATTI)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2010, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-vs-pi-for-me-personally/36609/9 "2010-04-17T09:50:12Z")
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