# TUTH: what does 'for experts only' on the higher strength mean exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 9, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945 "2007-10-09T09:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Marty\_4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Marty\_4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marty_4)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/1 "2007-10-09T09:37:56Z")
It says wen ordering teh higher strength “for experts only”… What does this mean exactly? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/2 "2007-10-09T22:50:20Z")
That under no circumstances that you should order it. If you don’t have years of experience and you are not an expert, and by your post you are obviously not, stay away. Don’t worry we wont actually even sell it to you anyway. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/3 "2007-10-09T23:24:04Z")
Hi Marty It just means that you need experience with anone to gage whether you can handle that much Tuth so they only will sell that one to people experienced with the product. Your only 24 so you wont need the extra strength. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/4 "2007-10-09T23:27:06Z")
Yes Marty, stay away from it at all costs. It’s like knocking over a Harley at a biker gang Raleigh. Think beat down! ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/5 "2007-10-10T03:12:05Z")
Yeah! Let me put it this way…it’s like creating a big fire, and you’re in the middle of it, with the intense heat is burning every bone in your body and you have no where to run!!!😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 6:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/6 "2007-10-10T06:02:52Z")
Yeah. Its like youre in the middle of the San Francisco Gay Pride parade, wearing high-cleavage leather chaps and nipple rings, no shirt and a big pendant that says “Call me Gunther, you big boy” and “Surprise me” written in day-glo Yellow on your back. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 6:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/7 "2007-10-10T06:20:32Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Yeah. Its like youre in the middle of the San Francisco Gay Pride parade, wearing high-cleavage leather chaps and nipple rings, no shirt and a big pendant that says “Call me Gunther, you big boy” and “Surprise me” written in day-glo Yellow on your back. HaHaHa!😃 That was a good one!!😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 6:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/8 "2007-10-10T06:25:36Z")
Instead of promoting (to him) to buy the product, we are actually discouraging him and scare him till death!!😛 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marty\_4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Marty\_4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marty_4)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/9 "2007-10-10T09:37:35Z")
Ha, your in no way scaring me i just have no idea what you are on about. What will happen to an beginer that won’t happen to a expert, your not telling me anything lol. No idea what all the poems and san fransisco talk is about. sorry could someoen explain normaly what teh effects will be from the high strangth? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 10:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/10 "2007-10-10T10:19:27Z")
It means that first of all your body is producing enough -none and with that turn up the heat which is stronger than normal, you will immediately have too much, ie “overdose”. results will be rather than attracting women, you will irritate men who may pick a fight with you.. something you wouldn’t want for sure.. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/11 "2007-10-10T16:53:14Z")
> [@Marty\_4](#): > > Ha, your in no way scaring me i just have no idea what you are on about. What will happen to an beginer that won’t happen to a expert, your not telling me anything lol. No idea what all the poems and san fransisco talk is about. sorry could someoen explain normaly what teh effects will be from the high strangth? [San Francisco Pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Pride) ---
**Author:** ![Marty\_4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Marty\_4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marty_4)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/12 "2007-10-10T19:30:12Z")
Thanx that makes a lot more sense that all the stuff about san fransisco etc lol. thanks mate. ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/13 "2007-10-10T21:52:16Z")
Basically, a -none OD is everything you don’t want to do. It will turn off women, they’ll think you’re coming on wayyyy too strong, even if you only say hi to them. It will piss off men, they’ll think you’re trying to do everything in your power to piss them off, and will be more than willing to start a world of crap with you over it… I can’t remember who said this, but I think he put it best for men: The drunk guy sitting next to you at the bar, debating whether or not he wants to hit someone, will hit you. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 6:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/14 "2007-10-11T06:52:19Z")
> [@snook\_assassin](#): > > The drunk guy sitting next to you at the bar, debating whether or not he wants to hit someone, will hit you. What snook said. ---
**Author:** ![Marty\_4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Marty\_4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marty_4)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/15 "2007-10-11T14:11:54Z")
OK. Last question on this not… How would an expert be able to handle the effects better if it’s what other people are thinking? or is it just for older people? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/16 "2007-10-11T14:33:49Z")
> [@Marty\_4](#): > > OK. Last question on this not… How would an expert be able to handle the effects better if it’s what other people are thinking? or is it just for older people? Here’s what I think: An expert would still be at risk if he/she used too much -none, I think. (too much for the expert) Yes, “older” guys produce less -none so they can put on a bit more, sure. An “expert” would try to use the right quantity of -none, not too much to OD.. Anyone have any other ideas? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/17 "2007-10-11T14:55:08Z")
Good response Phoenix. IMHO, I believe that it is more of a mixing equation involved than anything. No one, unless properly buffered or mixed or congruent with the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) signature (Think Arnold in his body building prime) is able to really handle that much -none. I’ve worn as much as 4 sprays of TUTH (10 mcg of -none) but only because it was heavily buffered in a mix and it was an outdoor venue with high winds along the Mississippi River. ---
**Author:** ![Buddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Buddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Buddy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/18 "2008-03-19T13:25:51Z")
Hiya, Been browsing the forum all day. well, I am tempted to try out the 2X TUTH. I am going to the mall this evening. Basically , this can lead to fights? What would be the best way of wearing it? B ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/19 "2008-03-19T13:56:46Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Here’s what I think: > An expert would still be at risk if he/she used too much -none, I think. (too much for the expert) > Yes, “older” guys produce less -none so they can put on a bit more, sure. > **An “expert” would try to use the right quantity of -none, not too much to OD.. > Anyone have any other ideas?** I think what the veteran phero users are trying to say is that by using other products that have -none say AMMO that are BUFFERED you can get a better grasp of how -none affects you and those around you. Buying -none or Turn Up The Heat and using it by itself w/o previous experience could be bad depending on your age. Young males from teens to later 20s produce plenty of -none (according to everyone here) so by adding MORE -none you may be opening yourself up to being hit in the face. As snook said earlier too much -none may turn women off (ghost effect) if you OD meaning that in addition to your natural -none production + w/e amount of -none you sprayed on is causing the opposite effect you want. Basically think of it this way: If you’re young your -none levels are good. By adding more you can go from good to overkill. This is why you want to start low, a very common tip from many of the experienced users. There are other things that experienced users will consider when using -none such as environment they are in, is it going to be hot? windy? enclosed environment? open or outdoors? these products are kinda like make up. Ever see a girl with two inches of make up on her face? Fairly unattractive with the “drawn on” face no? Same with -none and some pheros, too much and you’re just a mess. _Edit_ > [@MILFs & Cougars...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/milfs-cougars/10145/4): > > I have gotten major hits with older women when applying a couple squirts of Turn Up The Heat (I make a lot of -none naturally, so I would be in ‘OD’ territory with younger girls). I was taking a spinning class at my gym and a good-looking lady in her early-mid forties, and whom I didn’t know that well, asked me to come over and sit on the bike next to her. The whole class she was chatting me up and kept touching me–this is all while participating in a group spinning class. Using less -none, she seemed far less interested. However, a couple squirts of Turn Up The Heat have turned younger girls off–even ones I was fairly confident about hooking up with. If I apply -none nowadays, I am consciously pursuing older women at the expense of any hope of hooking up with younger girls. I’m not as familiar with the results of ammo on older chicks, as I’m not crazy about the strong cologne smell. I suspect it would be a similar reaction. -none is -none after all. My next experiment, when I get around to it, will be going into a bar where lots of older women will be (say, 40s-ish crowd) while slathered in -none. We’ll see what kind of hits I get then. Not really sure where to find consistently good-looking women in their 40s though. > > Edit: I was also usually wearing several squirts of Shine (as I almost always do) with the -none when noticing major hits. From another thread. Assuming buddy, that you are around 18-20s, if you’re looking for females your age, too much -none could be bad. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/20 "2008-03-19T17:22:29Z")
I have gone with 3 sprays of TUTH on top of 1 spray of Ammo BUT like SteveO said it was highly buffered with A314, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and IH. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945.md?page=2)