# TUTH: what does 'for experts only' on the higher strength mean exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 9, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945 "2007-10-09T09:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 19
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945/19 "2008-03-19T13:56:46Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Here’s what I think: > An expert would still be at risk if he/she used too much -none, I think. (too much for the expert) > Yes, “older” guys produce less -none so they can put on a bit more, sure. > **An “expert” would try to use the right quantity of -none, not too much to OD.. > Anyone have any other ideas?** I think what the veteran phero users are trying to say is that by using other products that have -none say AMMO that are BUFFERED you can get a better grasp of how -none affects you and those around you. Buying -none or Turn Up The Heat and using it by itself w/o previous experience could be bad depending on your age. Young males from teens to later 20s produce plenty of -none (according to everyone here) so by adding MORE -none you may be opening yourself up to being hit in the face. As snook said earlier too much -none may turn women off (ghost effect) if you OD meaning that in addition to your natural -none production + w/e amount of -none you sprayed on is causing the opposite effect you want. Basically think of it this way: If you’re young your -none levels are good. By adding more you can go from good to overkill. This is why you want to start low, a very common tip from many of the experienced users. There are other things that experienced users will consider when using -none such as environment they are in, is it going to be hot? windy? enclosed environment? open or outdoors? these products are kinda like make up. Ever see a girl with two inches of make up on her face? Fairly unattractive with the “drawn on” face no? Same with -none and some pheros, too much and you’re just a mess. _Edit_ > [@MILFs & Cougars...](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/milfs-cougars/10145/4): > > I have gotten major hits with older women when applying a couple squirts of Turn Up The Heat (I make a lot of -none naturally, so I would be in ‘OD’ territory with younger girls). I was taking a spinning class at my gym and a good-looking lady in her early-mid forties, and whom I didn’t know that well, asked me to come over and sit on the bike next to her. The whole class she was chatting me up and kept touching me–this is all while participating in a group spinning class. Using less -none, she seemed far less interested. However, a couple squirts of Turn Up The Heat have turned younger girls off–even ones I was fairly confident about hooking up with. If I apply -none nowadays, I am consciously pursuing older women at the expense of any hope of hooking up with younger girls. I’m not as familiar with the results of ammo on older chicks, as I’m not crazy about the strong cologne smell. I suspect it would be a similar reaction. -none is -none after all. My next experiment, when I get around to it, will be going into a bar where lots of older women will be (say, 40s-ish crowd) while slathered in -none. We’ll see what kind of hits I get then. Not really sure where to find consistently good-looking women in their 40s though. > > Edit: I was also usually wearing several squirts of Shine (as I almost always do) with the -none when noticing major hits. From another thread. Assuming buddy, that you are around 18-20s, if you’re looking for females your age, too much -none could be bad. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-what-does-for-experts-only-on-the-higher-strength-mean-exactly/5945)._