# Two mechanisms by which pheromones increase the frequency of aggressive behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 16, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/two-mechanisms-by-which-pheromones-increase-the-frequency-of-aggressive-behavior/29033 "2009-05-16T17:38:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 8
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/two-mechanisms-by-which-pheromones-increase-the-frequency-of-aggressive-behavior/29033/8 "2009-05-30T17:38:40Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > One of my motivations for starting this thread was concern that people in positions that require dominance, like prison guards, policemen, persons in d/s relationships, etc., were being given advice to use social pheromones with no mention of potential downsides to the dominant position. In certain conditions this could be dangerous or destructive to relationships. Social pheromones, like most things, have both positive and negative potential. This thread may serve as a reference to point out some of the potential downsides to people that need to be aware of them. To that end I may assemble some relevant user experiences here, like the one quoted above. Perhaps the below collection of posts may be of relevance here… bjf (February 24, 2003): " Scent of Eros – Too Nice? **I wonder if some women are turned off with a guy with too much Androstenol…i.e. too nice, too wimpy, can walk all over him.** maybe i am wrong about it." SonnyBlack (February 24, 2003): “ive always wondered about this as well…\*\*I think girls see you as such (wimpy, weak, not able to protect them) when you have too much Androstenol on. Ive worn Scent of Eros a couple of times and and I kinda noticed such reactions while doing so…\*\*or maybe it was just that im used to having naturally high levels of none and when I added Androstenol it sorta freaked me out…” bjf (February 24, 2003): " **the only time i have ever worn more Androstenol then none i thought a bunch of guys behind me were considering robbing me and a girl basically felt “wht can u do for me, you couldn’t take care of me” type-deal. Guys were nice, except for the guys who wanted to rob me** /ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif . I am interested to see how women reacted to other guys with much higher Androstenol to none/Androsterone ratio" Proteus (February 24, 2003): " **I tend to agree that with Scent of Eros you tend to be perceived as too nice** - so especially when I hit the clubs if I use Scent of Eros I definitely use it with some -none, specifically JB#1. But sometimes being perceived as " too nice " works great as you can move in on the ladies in kind of a stealth mode. Once I have her talking, which Scent of Eros is very good at doing, then I can use my skills to seduce her. If one approaches - Androstenol products from this perspective, you can in many ways be more successful with women than if you use -none products because they are already “comfortable” with you and if your seduction skills are good, then the rest is easy. I think of it this way - -none, when it works well, will have her ready to jump you without too much work, whereas - Androstenol may not induce this reaction, but from a percentage scale you can get to “talk” with a lot more women, and take it from there. So for the less skilled seductionists go with -none, but if you have skills, then I think - Androstenol products are much better for you. Just my two cents." franki (February 24, 2003): "… **The only problem with Androstenol alone, IMO, is that when you are already a nice guy yourself, and you are only wearing Androstenol, you are missing something. Personally I ALWAYS feel I am missing something when I don’t put on the tiniest bit of none.** I really don’t believe in the theory that too much Androstenol (on its own) makes one too nice…" jvkohl (February 25, 2003): “Some people may be forgetting that -Androstenol has been shown to effect hormone levels (luteinizing hormone:LH, and follicle stimulating hormone) in women. This effect is always beneficial in other mammals; it is the typical response to pheromones from the opposite sex. An increase in LH will be followed by an increase in testosterone, which is very effective with regard to increasing libido, in both men and women. Scent of Eros may be too nice, but it also provides a nice push in the right direction: towards increased interest in sex.” Shenandoah (April 27, 2006): “… **One does not want to over do the Scent of Eros. It could make you seem too friendly – that is a “push over,” a light weight, or a people pleaser** …” PheroBlog Futurist (January 7, 2006): “…Scent of Eros – This has a [pheromone formula](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) that gives off social effects, such as chattyness. **Wear too much of it and you will seem overly wimpy.** A good product, but doesn’t serve as a sexual attractant as it claims to. However, if you are a clint east wood type guy, a biker type, a body builder, etc, then this will likely take away some of the intimidation you produce in women and make you more attractive…” > [@A314 is the best I've used but it's out of stock: when will it be back?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314/648/21): > > NPA can generate negative effects… but you must take into account all pheremones do. The way I see it.. if androstenone gives an extra sex vibe, I’m sure I can put up with alittle bitchiness=) Then again things like too much -nols or comfort mones may have a happy or relaxing vibe.. yet at the same time they can also give a “weakness” and “my P\*\*sy hurts” vibe when used in excess. Well I should know, because I like to OD when I first get any new pheremone. Rob (September 26, 2006): “NPA can generate negative effects… but you must take into account all pheremones do. The way I see it.. if androstenone gives an extra sex vibe, I’m sure I can put up with alittle bitchiness=) **Then again things like too much -nols or comfort pheromones may have a happy or relaxing vibe.. yet at the same time they can also give a “weakness” and "my P** sy hurts" vibe when used in excess.\*\* Well I should know, because I like to OD when I first get any new pheremone.” > [@Does Androstenol affect men negatively?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-androstenol-affect-men-negatively/667/18): > > Any guy should not wear too much laughing feel good pheremones like Androstonel or TAA (IS). It’ll just end up turning you into some goofy smiling candyass. It may make you in some instances the life of the party, but really.. there is nothing sexy about a clown. Rob (September 26, 2006): “**Any guy should not wear too much laughing feel good pheremones like Androstonel or TAA (IS). It’ll just end up turning you into some goofy smiling candyass. It may make you in some instances the life of the party, but really.. there is nothing sexy about a clown.**” > [@love scent vs androtics? a open discussion](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/love-scent-vs-androtics-a-open-discussion/5235/34): > > Yes RE Scent of Eros different courses for different horses i say it is good stuff, and an abundance can give a little bit of a wimpy attitude/perception derpending on ones dress, bio-rythms, dynamics and mood at the time of impact, also taking into consideration the personalitys of those whome may be influenced by its sublime properties. Usually a drop of added concentrated Androstenone however can certainly add to the dynamics of this baby and give a more broad spectrum positive type of sexu… alpha314 (August 27, 2007): “…Yes RE Scent of Eros different courses for different horses i say it is good stuff, **and an abundance can give a little bit of a wimpy attitude/perception derpending on ones dress, bio-rythms, dynamics and mood at the time of impact, also taking into consideration the personalitys of those whome may be influenced by its sublime properties** …” > [@Instant Jerk layered over a full workday combo at dinner: a -none overdose?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-jerk/196/11): > > Have yet to verify through experimentation. But sometimes you want people to be intimidated and thrilled by you, dammnit. I fear TAK might take that away. Care to elaborate? I had another fun evening with IJ, IS, Impi, TAK and TAC over my regular work combo today. Nothing new to report as yet however. V curious to know what is in IJ beyond None. London is v cosmopolitan. Three categories of singers on the Karaoke box. Chinese, Hong Kong and ‘Other’ wink PheroQuirk (March 11, 2006): “…Have yet to verify through experimentation. **But sometimes you want people to be intimidated and thrilled by you, dammnit. I fear TAK might take that away** …” > [@Best club pheromone](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/best-club-pheromone/121/17): > > hi tacitus… optimal dosage/ratios? how do u find TAC blends with TAK? I find too much TAK calms things down too much if meeting new people… PheroQuirk (March 23, 2006): “… **I find too much TAK calms things down too much if meeting new people** …” > [@Worst product you have ever used](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/worst-product-you-have-ever-used/443/4): > > Heh.. I’ve had ok hits with things like Rogue Male and AE. Those are expected to to be tougher pheremones though as they are high in -none. The absolute worst I’ve tried was WAGG!!! That has to be some sort of wimp pheremone or something. I may as well just sit there and “wagg my butt” like some loser, because that is exactly the type of hits it subconsciously gives. At the very least every other product gave me some sort of ok hit. The Jambat mix (high in none) was my favorite which consi… Rob (June 22, 2006): “… **The absolute worst I’ve tried was WAGG!!! That has to be some sort of wimp pheremone or something. I may as well just sit there and “wagg my butt” like some loser, because that is exactly the type of hits it subconsciously gives** …” > [@Lone Wolves/CEE : IS/m + WAGG](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lone-wolves-cee-is-m-wagg/470/5): > > WAGG for some reason seems to be a wussy mone. I tried it on certain people and I noticed that girls were prone to treating you like a “nice guy” and you were more of a target for bully’s. Rob (July 6, 2006): “ **WAGG for some reason seems to be a wussy pheromone. I tried it on certain people and I noticed that girls were prone to treating you like a “nice guy” and you were more of a target for bully’s.** ” My experiences with the sense of smell nbully79 (August 1, 2007): “Day report 08/01/07: 2 drops WAGG Today applied 2 drops WAGG from the 4 ml bottle with dropper and covered with Geir. **Asian girl in lab was cold and little bitchy. It’s very typical behavior from her whenever I wear Wagg. Gradually she warmed up but I think it does give some low status male vibe.** Hey atleast its consistent!” nbully79 (August 30, 2007): “… **V-5 doesn’t seem to bring the disrespectful reactions like WAGG does.** ” nbully79 (February 17, 2008): “… **I am very surprised how WAGG lowers you on the social ladder a few notches and sometimes also Scent of Eros** …” Jonno101 (Feburary 17, 2008): “**I hear what you’re saying about Scent of Eros (haven’t tried WAGG)moving you down the social ladder.** I felt the same so ditched Scent of Eros as soon as my 1st Androtics order came in. It wasn’t creating any attraction, IOIs just made me seem more insignificant. **Almost invisible to people who’ve known me as well.** Nice reports. Keep em coming. I haven’t come across Athena b4)” nbully79 (March 4, 2008): “…Labmate didn’t abreact too badly to either Wagg or The Edge, she did start to be a little difficult on first exposure but soon became nicer. **She has a huge problem whenever I wear Wagg** or high doses of The Edge **without A314.** No over the top reactions yet but it’s a nice enhancement…” > [@Asians and mones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/asians-and-mones/287/5): > > What’s up pilot, Asians typically benefit from wearing more none. I usually wear twice as much none as people typically wear. I haven’t felt the need to wear any more than 3 drops (though I usually wear 2) of A314, so I don’t think there’s too much variability on ethnicity as far as A314. One thing I have noticed, however, is that I VERY easily stumble into the negative reactions with the softer products. I’m still famiarizing myself with the products here so I couldn’t offer much in regard… sigma (April 14, 2006): “What’s up pilot, Asians typically benefit from wearing more none. I usually wear twice as much none as people typically wear. I haven’t felt the need to wear any more than 3 drops (though I usually wear 2) of A314, so I don’t think there’s too much variability on ethnicity as far as A314. One thing I have noticed, however, is that I VERY easily stumble into the negative reactions with the softer products. I’m still famiarizing myself with the products here so I couldn’t offer much in regards to what’s used here, **but I’ve had experiences with Androstadienone and WAGG where people around me grew highly condescending.** **Nowadays I usually use these products in highly intimate or personal situations only, or when off-set with a none heavy product.** ” > [@Can women use Instant Female Magic? Good for mood, but careful around men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-female-magic/329/58): > > I noticed the same with WAGG, so I eventually ditched it. I had high hopes when I got WAGG based on the feedback that people gave it on LS, but in my case it had a pretty profound anti-sexual effect…to the extent of creating condescension from others. This all went away with low doses of WAGG, however at those doses I saw no beneficial effects either. I haven’t noticed the same with IFM though. I will say that I haven’t had as much success sexually with IFM as others here, but I haven’t notice… sigma (June 11, 2006): “…I noticed the same with WAGG, so I eventually ditched it. I had high hopes when I got WAGG based on the feedback that people gave it on LS, **but in my case it had a pretty profound anti-sexual effect…to the extent of creating condescension from others. This all went away with low doses of WAGG, however at those doses I saw no beneficial effects either** …” > [@Help/Advice A314/IS](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/107): > > I really do think you need to spend more time getting familiar with pheromones, particularly with getting the doses just right for your body and personality type. Too little of a product may not produce any noticable effects, too much can produce OD reactions. Finding the “sweet spot” to each product is key. When I first got into mones, I saw more of the negatives than I did the positives - I wasn’t as lucky as some who saw positive results right away. Anxious to see real prominent sexual resu… sigma (August 22, 2006): “… **In my case WAGG created nothing but negative effects, however the experience taught me to lay low with the comfort pheromones, and to focus more on social and aggressive pheromones** …” > [@What pheromones do WAGG contain?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-do-wagg-contain/3651/4): > > WAGG is definitely a product that seems to soften a person’s image…for better or for worse. It has actually elicited some condescension in people in my case…this is easily tempered with something more aggressive, but it became pointless for me to ever use it, as there were no real beneficial effects for me…only negative ones that I needed to mitigate with other mones. I think the condescension came with mixes that incorporated a lot of androstadienone…its been a while since I’ve used it. I ag… sigma (May 14, 2007): “\*\*WAGG is definitely a product that seems to soften a person’s image…for better or for worse. It has actually elicited some condescension in people in my case…\*\*this is easily tempered with something more aggressive, but it became pointless for me to ever use it, as there were no real beneficial effects for me…only negative ones that I needed to mitigate with other pheromones. I think the condescension came with mixes that incorporated a lot of androstadienone…its been a while since I’ve used it…” > [@Starting to test P84, P94 and P101: how each compares to alpha-nol, TAA and A314](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-test-new-putatives-like-p84-p94-and-p101/2511/3): > > it does smell different. i meant the vibe. it sorta has a happy vibe, shiny vibe–but its not too giggly like alpha Androstenol. i noticed at the bar, the waitress whom is an alpha female, never actually got into a conversation with me. just “hey you, whats up” this time..she gave me a drink, then we chatted, then, i asked if she had a custom drink..she made it…i went back to playing pool. then she came over to ask me about the drink. i said something like “whos at the bar?” she replied, “ah its… examine (March 14, 2007): “… P101 ] does smell different [to TAA]. i meant the vibe [is similar to that of TAA]. it sorta has a happy vibe, shiny vibe–but its not too giggly like alpha Androstenol. i noticed at the bar, the waitress whom is an alpha female, never actually got into a conversation with me. just “hey you, whats up” this time..she gave me a drink, then we chatted, then, i asked if she had a custom drink..she made it…i went back to playing pool. then she came over to ask me about the drink. i said something like “whos at the bar?” she replied, “ah its dead and im bored” i also asked her if she wanted to play, which she agreed, but then she had customers. btw. i wore P84 2-3 hours prior. i noticed P84 stuck around for awhile. the spray (101) does not command respect, and it creates a very very friendly vibe to others. **i can see how 101 would be great for lonewolves, however, authority figures (boss) would see you as weak. i got picked on by my boss. and i mean she really drilled me. im usually very sharp tongue and defensive, but i just kept silent…which felt a bit emotional. that is very unlike me.**” > [@Overdue: EST, MEO-EST, and Further P83+P74+P79 testing.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/overdue-est-meo-est-and-further-p83-p74-p79-testing/10577/1): > > I’m having a long weekend after several weeks of business trips, and thought to post some results. During the past month, I’ve been testing EST and MEO-EST on on-off basis, so here it is: EST: In general, I believe EST tends to create that protect vibe. In other words, people exposed to EST get a sense that they need to “protect” the wearer of this [pheromone](https://a314.com/). This tends to create a different type of respect (in contrast to Androsterone), where people exposed to it let you “have it your way.… Eslite119 (March 29, 2008): “…EST: In general, I believe EST tends to create that protect vibe. In other words, people exposed to EST get a sense that they need to “protect” the wearer of this pheromone. This tends to create a different type of respect (in contrast to Androsterone), where people exposed to it let you “have it your way.” However, this type of vibe or the protect vibe is not always good IMHO as it leads some people to undermine you in the process. I’m sure I confused some readers at this point, so let me give you my most recent example. EST at Poker night: Dosage: 4 sprays of EST (200mcg) all applied to hair. Applied 3 hours before the event. Last weekend, I was to get together with some people that I’ve known since high school. Haven’t seen them since then, but we sort of had a reunion. I’ve worn pheros couple times to Poker games, and some of the pheros used were P74 and \>A314. By no means I used pheros to swindle money from others, but just happened to had the old applications on and ran into a poker game by coincidence. This time was different. I applied EST mainly to test it out to see what happens and also to confirm some of my theories on this phero. At the table, there were some people that I was not familiar with and we had 10 total; 4 females and 6 males including myself. Third hand, flipped my card and I saw pocket kings. Good so far. 7 out of 10 folded and the flop reveals 2 kings and 1 Jack. At this point I know I won, so I observe the other two players and see their reactions. One folds and other one stays and bets. I raise and he calls. Turn reveals a card, but I really don’t remember what it was (does it matter?). My opponent, who had more chips than I, calls whatever I had left, so I call. Crowd goes wild after seeing my cards, and I sweep the table. A female player next to me, doesn’t compliment me, but rather teaches me as to how to play poker (you should’ve done this, that, blah blah blah). I kinda ignore her. On the 7th or the 8th hand (sorry can’t remember), I get a full house on the river and once again I was up against only one player (person I know well). This opponent was telling me to fold rather than enticing me to go all in. He’s saying that he didn’t want me to lose money and so forth, but he was expressing it in a way that made me believe that he meant it. Eventually he goes all in and I call. He had 3 of a kind and I sweep the table again. At this point I was the chip leader. A female player, again, teaches me as to how I should play poker. This time I got annoyed and some people on the table caught on. The table split into two when debating. One part was saying, “leave \_\_\_\_\_ alone he’s trying to have a good time,” while the rest was saying, “I don’t want \_\_\_\_ to lose money.” Ummmm excuse me? A lot went through my mind and ultimately ruined my mood to continue on. I won more hands afterwards, but I was thrown off course and just couldn’t concentrate. **After the little debate, I got a sense that I really didn’t belong there; people seemed to act as if they were playing amongst 9 adults and 1 high school student.** Maybe I’m over analyzing, but I didn’t like the vibe I got. But then again the other 9 played amongst themselves before and this was my first time joining their group. I wanted to quit, but since this was a first time playing with this crowd, I decided not to cash out my winnings. I steadily and purposefully (believe it or not) lost the subsequent hands. Very different experience compared to my previous poker games. When wearing P74 and especially \>A314, I got the respect. People took me seriously and characterized me as a disciplined player. Once again, EST tends to create that “protect” vibe. I think the female player next to me was giving me advices, regardless of my winnings, strictly out of concern as did some other players. However, she didn’t seem to realize that she was undermining me in the process. When she was commenting as to “should you be doing this? or that?” she was completely forgetting the fact that 1) it was my money that was at risk and 2) I can make decisions of my own. **It was as if the entire table was like mommy and daddy trying to tell the kid how to spend his allowance.** Conclusion: EST is not the type of phero that I’m looking for. However, I think female users will benefit much more if they use it.” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/two-mechanisms-by-which-pheromones-increase-the-frequency-of-aggressive-behavior/29033)._