# Unsatisfied, need help please! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 3, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685 "2009-03-03T04:00:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/1 "2009-03-03T04:00:53Z")
Ok so I bought Ammunition recently, countless tests later I have recieved no positive reactions! My ex-girlfriend complained about the scent. Last saturday I went on a date(with girl from work), seem like it went well, no kiss goodnight, no nothing! Later she said she got the “friend vibe” wtf? I have always been good with women, just have a hard time breaking the ice and apporaching women. I am trying to return the remaining bottle of my Ammunition for credit toward something else. I am not looking for sexual results, I am looking for something to help start conversation, and maybe cause women to approach me? I know [pheromones](https://a314.com/) work from past experience, but ammunition was garbage! What should I try for the results I want, easier conversation flow, possible women approach, just something to make a better first impression. ---
**Author:** ![RCrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RCrew](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RCrew)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/2 "2009-03-03T04:10:40Z")
Now I’m new to this so bear with me but: a. Your doing in wrong b. You seem to be using the wrong product for the results you want c. just aren’t compatible with AMMO d. A combination of the three. From what I gather, all the above. Experiment with the amount of ammo your using for approach, add in Instant Shine for the first impression, and try [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) possibly with Instant Honesty, to round out the rest. Just a noob’s thought on this… could that be overkill? Possibly. At the minimum I’d say it sounds like you need a buffer like IS or IO, and to up the amount of AMMO. ---
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/3 "2009-03-03T04:16:17Z")
I just want a stand-alone kinda [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). thats what i thought ammo was, just want something to make girls give me a chance i guess. make them take the initial conversation. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/4 "2009-03-03T04:20:55Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > I just want a stand-alone kinda pheromone. thats what i thought ammo was, just want something to make girls give me a chance i guess. make them take the initial conversation. Remember, mones give you that extra edge. They are not magical and they do take some experimentation to find out what your best dosage is. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/5 "2009-03-03T04:25:06Z")
i put on some ammo and i couldn’t part the red sea, man, i am pissed. ---
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/6 "2009-03-03T04:25:58Z")
> [@future777](#): > > Remember, mones give you that extra edge. They are not magical and they do take some experimentation to find out what your best dosage is. I realize that, i experimented a lot with the ammo, between 1-6 sprays, on wrists and neck. Tried it at work, a party, a club, everyday places, etc. nothing! the date was what really turned me off of it because she said she got the “just friends vibe” isnt that the exact opposite of that it is supposed to do? I used 2 sprays on the date so i know it was not overkill. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/7 "2009-03-03T04:26:49Z")
There are many possibilities. You are looking for something to start conversation. AMMO is not the right choice. IO would be a better choice. How many sprays do you use? Different people need different number of sprays. You need to do some experiment to find your sweet spot. Another point is, pheomones will not make girls jump on you. It can only help and largely still depends on you. Pheromones open the door for you and the rest would be your effort. Most people like the smell. Your gf don’t like it. Too bad. Different people like different thing. ---
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/8 "2009-03-03T04:28:18Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > i put on some ammo and i couldn’t part the red sea, man, i am pissed. ummm, ya ok. the ammo seemed to bring me down, i had better reactions with my normal cologne just because it smells good. I was hoping that maybe, idk, it would do something? anything? ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/9 "2009-03-03T04:28:32Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > i put on some ammo and i couldn’t part the red sea, man, i am pissed. See, thats where you got mixed up. TUTH parts the red sea. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is more of a walking on water type of mone. ---
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/10 "2009-03-03T04:30:58Z")
> [@jamesbonded](#): > > There are many possibilities. > > You are looking for something to start conversation. AMMO is not the right choice. IO would be a better choice. > > How many sprays do you use? Different people need different number of sprays. You need to do some experiment to find your sweet spot. > > Another point is, pheomones will not make girls jump on you. It can only help and largely still depends on you. Pheromones open the door for you and the rest would be your effort. > > Most people like the smell. Your gf don’t like it. Too bad. Different people like different thing. I didnt expect it to work miracles like i said, it did nothing. I did a lot of experimenting, i dont care for the scent either, smells like dirt after awhile, very earthy, mineraly. I guess i could try the IO, seems more like what im lookin for. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/11 "2009-03-03T04:32:57Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > I didnt expect it to work miracles like i said, it did nothing. I did a lot of experimenting, i dont care for the scent either, smells like dirt after awhile, very earthy, mineraly. I guess i could try the IO, seems more like what im lookin for. Well, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Shine sound like they might help in terms of what you are looking for. I have gotten my best hits wearing nothing but shine. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyPaper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnypaper/32/338_2.png) [@JohnnyPaper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyPaper)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/12 "2009-03-03T04:36:00Z")
I think you have approach anxiety…might wanna check this out. I think you should be looking for a phero product or mix that makes you feel good first! I think you are looking for the mystical “tractor beam” that I talk about here… > [@Approach Anxiety - The Age-Old Debacle](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/approach-anxiety-the-age-old-debacle/26604): > > OK so, here’s the deal. All of us guys at one point have had or still have a GREAT deal of “Approach Anxiety”. I have truly seen it first hand with myself, friends, colleagues, etc. etc. of all races, colors and creeds. Let’s face it..NOBODY and I mean NOBODY likes to be “shot-down”, “turned away”, “made to feel like a fool”, “ignored”, or the God-aweful words like “refused” or “REJECTED”! Now let’s take a moment and reflect on those words. They all inspire a negative connotation and value. But… Take Care -JP 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/13 "2009-03-03T04:39:46Z")
thanks for trying to be helpful. Ya i do have approachment anxiety, it is my only real weakness, very akward for me. Thats why i started looking into pheromones, I will probably try both IS and IO, from what i read on them they seem to be my best bet. ---
**Author:** ![future777](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/future777/32/2258_2.png) [@future777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/future777)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/14 "2009-03-03T04:42:18Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > thanks for trying to be helpful. Ya i do have approachment anxiety, it is my only real weakness, very akward for me. Thats why i started looking into pheromones, I will probably try both IS and IO, from what i read on them they seem to be my best bet. I hope it works out for you man. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/15 "2009-03-03T04:42:24Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > thanks for trying to be helpful. Ya i do have approachment anxiety, it is my only real weakness, very akward for me. Thats why i started looking into pheromones, I will probably try both IS and IO, from what i read on them they seem to be my best bet. Good luck to you, bro 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/16 "2009-03-03T04:43:14Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > I just want a stand-alone kinda pheromone. thats what i thought ammo was, just want something to make girls give me a chance i guess. make them take the initial conversation. No doubt that you will find something to suit your individual attraction requirements. There is always a percentage of girls that will take the initiative and approach a guy if he is an attractive stranger, but for the most part the girls will just hang around and give subtle hints and send out little signals that they are interested, then they will wait for the guy to notice them and take it from there. If a girl has seen you around and is somewhat more familiar with your nature and if they find you attractive then there is a higher chance of her doing the approaching, but they respect a guy heaps more when he makes the first move, therefore them that initiate conversation have much more success with securing a hot one. ---
**Author:** ![roach137](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e99b99/32.png) [@roach137](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roach137)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/17 "2009-03-03T04:47:00Z")
Aright thanks for the help guys, ill give them a shot and see how it turns out. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/18 "2009-03-03T04:51:43Z")
> [@future777](#): > > See, thats where you got mixed up. TUTH parts the red sea. Ammo is more of a walking on water type of mone. my bad 😃 i knew i wasn’t doing something right. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/19 "2009-03-03T04:55:55Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > thanks for trying to be helpful. Ya i do have approachment anxiety, it is my only real weakness, very akward for me. Thats why i started looking into pheromones, I will probably try both IS and IO, from what i read on them they seem to be my best bet. CTTM is also another great product. Try it! ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/unsatisfied-need-help-please/26685/20 "2009-03-03T04:59:46Z")
> [@roach137](#): > > thanks for trying to be helpful. Ya i do have approachment anxiety, it is my only real weakness, very akward for me. Thats why i started looking into pheromones, I will probably try both IS and IO, from what i read on them they seem to be my best bet. Yes i can well understand approachment provoking a degree of anxiety. I also get it if i have to enter a swimming race and i have not swum for 20 years. But the thing is once you have had some practice it becomes a peice of cake. You just have to understand and accept the fact that no matter how attractive you may be perceived as, and how polished your opening you are going to get rejections and at times told to f\*\*k off, That is just the facts of the game. Therefore whatever happens You do not take rejection as a personal thing as that is just the way it goes. So go and get some rejection practice just for the fun of it and i can promise you that with practice you will also along with the rejections also start scoring with some really nice girls, there is no doubt about it. After some practice you will lose your inhabitions and then approaching a girl will be as natural as going to the counter to order a coke.