# update III: Beware of Instant Honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 3, 2006, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/update-iii-beware-of-instant-honesty/261 "2006-04-03T14:42:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 31
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/update-iii-beware-of-instant-honesty/261/31 "2008-08-22T11:32:32Z")
> [@TAF 5mcg](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-5mcg/61/16): > > in my case i have found out the hard way, several times, that alcohol and late-night email posting don’t mix for me… let’s not even talk about when beta-nol was involved wink PheroQuirk (January 3, 2006): “in my case i have found out the hard way, several times, that alcohol and late-night email posting don’t mix for me… **let’s not even talk about when beta-Androstenol was involved** ” > [@Ordered IO, IH, Instant Shine, IFM and A314 at once: plans to test them all in 2006](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-openness-instant-honesty-instant-shine-instant-female-magic-a314/72/27): > > ah, it is being prepped for prime time release, then? v interesting. is there an nlp way to do this, or the self-hypnosis orthogonal to nlp? will google to learn more. so far with betanol and alpha-beta nol mixes I have only seen people speak frankly of others and not heard their brutally frank personal opinions of me. but i suppose most of the time i have had on some none, rone or a314 at least left over from the previous day, interesting… do any mones slow the clock down so that w… PheroQuirk (January 4, 2006): “…**so far with betanol and alpha-beta [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) mixes I have only seen people speak frankly of others and not heard their brutally frank personal opinions of me.** but i suppose most of the time i have had on some none, Androsterone or A314 at least left over from the previous day,…” > [@suggestion for wedding mix?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/suggestion-for-wedding-mix/382): > > so I have most of the toys from here and will be attending a wedding in Austria in a coupe of weeks time. old friend from England (30ish) and his Austrian fiancee. any suggestions on optimal mixes? no desire to frighten the horses (after the novelty of getting blatant hits wears off and one has alternatives like [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), no need to overdose on 'none in any case) but interested to hear any suggestions. am thinking plenty of TAH/L, moderate amounts of copulins, light A314, lots of Shine… PheroQuirk (May 30, 2006): “…am thinking plenty of TAH/L, moderate amounts of copulins, light [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/), lots of Shine/TAA, **go easy on the beta-Androstenol (!)** but plenty of Alpha Androstenol should be fine. some [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/),78,79 and T1. Androstadienone in moderation.” > [@Great Mix for interviews!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/great-mix-for-interviews/367/11): > > I would be very careful about exposing yourself to too much IH. Not that honesty isn’t a good thing but, when it comes to discussions about alternative offers and compensation, you may find yourself disclosing more than you intended.open_mouth PheroQuirk (June 5, 2006): “…**I would be very careful about exposing yourself to too much [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/) in a job interview. Not that honesty isn’t a good thing but, when it comes to discussions about alternative offers and compensation, you may find yourself disclosing more than you intended.** ” > [@before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/49): > > different vibe to beta-nol? beta-nol = truth drug, compelled to blurt things out (‘why did i just say that’?) but also intimate, intense bonding, it’s v important we talk now aspect? EST is on its way and have not yet tried. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) seems to be have a little bit of similarity to how i have observed people behave after ingesting mdma - come here and give me a hug, i just feel so comfortable with you. PheroQuirk (July 16, 2006): “…different vibe to beta-Androstenol **beta-Androstenol = truth drug, compelled to blurt things out 'why did i just say that** but also intimate, intense bonding, it’s v important we talk now aspect…” > [@before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/81): > > putatives - old and new any thoughts, michael/jasmin? P87 does something to my mental state when whiffed from the bottle - possibly a shift in alertness/modulation of attention or vigilance. But for the life of me so far I don’t see a change in other peoples’ behaviour. P74 and EST seem to be good (when combined with a regular balanced mix inc A314 and Shine) at creating a cool vibe amongst men and women alike. You are a relaxed, charismatic presence - lovely guy/mature, powerful yet not i… PheroQuirk (August 6, 2006): “… **Make sure you are prepared to deal with unusual situations though, partic if beta-Androstenol is involved.** I had a girl (woman really, in her early 40s but looking good for it - she still had a fun playful attitude) that I had met at the bar with her friends ten minutes previously start crying and tell me that she had just broken up with her lover two days ago and was pregnant but he didn’t know it. Comforted her and by the end think she felt better (if surprised) for having gotten that off her chest - but what a wonderfully different world one can cross over into with [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and experimenting with different social behaviours. (I was experimenting with cold reading a little). She seemed more or less sober by the way; think her friends were quite surprised!..” > [@Androstenone overdoses are no fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-overdoses-are-no-fun/527/22): > > Be very careful. I suggest avoiding all forms of email and text messaging with a beta-nol/ingested ethanol combo! What is the longest break you have taken? PheroQuirk (August 15, 2006): “…Be very careful. **I suggest avoiding all forms of email and text messaging with a beta-Androstenol/ingested ethanol combo!** …” > [@Androstenone overdoses are no fun](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstenone-overdoses-are-no-fun/527/23): > > Yes, I have worn heavier-than-intended beta-nol in interviews. Great for bonding and learning stuff they didn’t want to mention upfront. Personally not immune to its effects even after all this time so did myself reveal some info about salary and bonus that ended up hurting me a little. Not a whole lot, but more than I intended to. PheroQuirk (August 15, 2006): “…Yes, I have worn heavier-than-intended beta-Androstenol in interviews. Great for bonding and learning stuff they didn’t want to mention upfront. **Personally not immune to its effects even after all this time so did myself reveal some info about salary and bonus that ended up hurting me a little. Not a whole lot, but more than I intended to.** ” > [@High performance communication: a 650 mu megadose of MEO-EST and putatives](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-hi-performance-communication-swill/1849/17): > > yes… of course once you have gotten to know a person at that level a three month relationship might seem in some ways like it has been a year and extricating oneself might prove more painful to both sides than if one had avoided pheromones. beta-nol and the other empathetic 'mones are not without a downside. PheroQuirk (February 7, 2007): “…yes… of course once you have gotten to know a person at that level a three month relationship might seem in some ways like it has been a year and extricating oneself might prove more painful to both sides than if one had avoided pheromones. **beta-Androstenol and the other empathetic 'pheromones are not without a downside.** ” > [@P87 + P88 as psychic empathic nuance builders](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p87-p88-as-psychic-empathic-nuance-builders/2130/11): > > Whoa! MX101x2, P86x50, P87x50, P88x50, P74,TACx50,TAAx150,TAHx50,A1xlots,Bnolxfair bit,anolxa little. 3 sprays of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (that I progressively tried to heat up with up to 4 sprays total of T1 and T3 without much noticeable impact). Impix3,Aquagenx6drops. Day 2 with ‘are-you-gay’ girl I went home with on Thur. Unbelievably intense in a strange though not unpleasant way. We met at 5pm, ended up going for a coffee (no particular plans for the evening - I wasn’t going to ask her to spend Sat eve wit… PheroQuirk (March 4, 2007): “… **The compulsive-sharing aspect of betanol but not the deepest darkest am I really telling you this.** Talking about art, movies, the collective unconscious, upbringing etc. Like weirdly locked in rapport-building mode even at the cost of losing a little attraction. Neither ‘I feel like I have known you for years’ nor ‘I am falling in teen love with you’ but certainly a sense of utter comfort…” > [@Liquid Sunshine+Chem Romance + 101/102/94](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/liquid-sunshine-chem-romance-101-102-94/3033/4): > > Okay, so there is something repeatable going on here. Different base than before (lots of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), TAA oil, amongst other things) but including components above (151 edition, I believe). Skipping down the beach at night with my bud and a girl we just met holding hands singing ‘the sun has got his hat on’. No alcohol involved, and this isn’t exactly typical behaviour for either of us. (My bud is in his 40s). Cuddly rather than sexual vibe - more like being six years old again than … PheroQuirk (April 16, 2007): “…There is a compulsive sharing, bonding thing going on also - **not as intense as betanol,** but kind of compulsive…” > [@P90 may need 100 mu or more: unusually chatty women at the gym](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/23607/6): > > I certainly agree with the comparison to betanol - at 25 mcg there is an aspect of compulsive sharing to it. But yes - maybe more exchange of personal opinions and experiences without the emotional intensity of betanol. Sex was intense - this wasn’t the only thing I was wearing, but I wonder if there was some positive impact from the comfort created by P90. I don’t have enough experience yet with P90 to have seen the empathetic leadership quality described by tacitus, but it certainly fits … PheroQuirk (June 17, 2007): “…I certainly agree with the comparison to betanol - at 25 mcg]( [Microgram - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) ) there is an aspect of compulsive sharing to it. But yes - maybe more exchange of personal opinions and experiences **without the emotional intensity of betanol** …” > [@Whats the best pheromone for your personality?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-best-pheromone-for-your-personality/4283/5): > > Be careful with Shine + alcohol. Shine makes one a little oblivious to social cues and this can have negative consequences when combined with too much alcohol. Also betanol+shine+alcohol+email/sms= potentially disastrous combination… PheroQuirk (June 24, 2007): “…Be careful with Shine + alcohol. Shine makes one a little oblivious to social cues and this can have negative consequences when combined with too much alcohol. **Also betanol+shine+alcohol+email/sms= potentially disastrous combination** …” > [@Focus on Work, thanks to sadsack love life.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/focus-on-work-thanks-to-sadsack-love-life/5135): > > I bought myself a handful of goodies this week (thanks Jasmin!). TAH, TAF, Inst Shine, MX135. I still have MX134 which I loveee wearing to work. I have heard that TAF helps you focus. There seem to be mixed reports however, I think people have mentioned that it makes them focus on irrelevant details. Any personal experiences? Do you mix it with something else? What dosage do you use? I find that I naturally tend to work like crazy, then sink into oblivious laziness (burnout?) and procrastinati… PheroQuirk (August 17, 2007): “don’t wear anything to an job interview you don’t already know and understand well. **caution with [instant honesty](https://a314.com/) (self effects)** and taf…” > [@Is anyone using really high quantities of Pheromones?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/is-anyone-using-really-high-quantities-of-pheromones/5386/2): > > The manner in and extent to which mega dose pheromone use works for you will depend in part on things you can’t really change (like natural phero signature, age, height, physique) as well as on some things you can (poise & posture, voice resonance/tonality, calibration/perceptiveness, natural baseline degree to which you project aggression/dominance). A mix and dosage that is helpful for a Gegogi is probably inadvisable for a Mr T. I’m with you that grotesque ODs can in fact be beneficial init… PheroQuirk (December 3, 2007): “… **Really discovered nothing bad about betanol OD** [Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) **? [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) on betanol, apply some [spaceland](https://a314.com/) and go to a bar or party with lots of booze and watch the track the conversation takes.** If mischievous you could direct it towards certain obvious topics and see what happens.” > [@Betanol vs. Alphanol: An Alternative View](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/betanol-vs-alphanol-an-alternative-view/7242): > > As many of you may know, drugs, just like [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), often have different isomers. Ibuprofen, for example, has two isomers, but the cheapest way of making ibuprofen is creating it and leaving both isomers together. One isomer is the active isomer, while one isomer is totally inactive. So, basically, only half of your ibuprofen is really working. It’s cheap, though, so it really doesn’t matter if you have to take more. Amphetamines (such as adderall) are another example. Dextro-amphetamine crea… PheroQuirk (December 9, 2007): “The point of all that is this: rarely does a drug have two isomers that are both “good,” just with different effects. Usually one is more ideal, while the other one sucks. I’m wondering if the androstenols]( [Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) ) are the same way. It’s an interesting analogy, but that hasn’t been my experience. They both do useful but distinct things (as summarised excellently by Visionary). Overall Alpha Androstenol has a stronger intrinsically attractive vibe and is generally much safer to OD]( [Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) ) on, particularly if alcohol is involved. **Read some of tacitus’s posts regarding betanol and ‘excess shit on the brain’ - that lines up v much with my own experience.** ” > [@Pheromones and the friend zone: is attraction harder once you're already friends?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/genesis-theory-friend-zone-failure/7392/3): > > the major way you can screw up is by wearing a too sexual/aggressive mix in the wrong context when she isn’t ready for it. so a none/Edge overdose can ruin peoples’ perception of you semi-permanently almost independently of how you behave (and the self-effects are likely to get you deeper into trouble). I haven’t had any experience of wearing a friendly mix (eg nol, Instant Openness) and screwing things up - unless I didn’t steer it right (eg talking too much or revealing things I shouldn’t d… PheroQuirk (December 13, 2007): “Quote: Originally Posted by **Genesis** _i’ve read Tater said that “once you trash your signature on a target, it’s over, you’re done”_ the major way you can screw up is by wearing a too sexual/aggressive mix in the wrong context when she isn’t ready for it. so a none/Edge overdose can ruin peoples’ perception of you semi-permanently almost independently of how you behave (and the self-effects are likely to get you deeper into trouble). I haven’t had any experience of wearing a friendly mix (eg [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) and screwing things up - unless I didn’t steer it right **(eg talking too much or revealing things I shouldn’t due to combined effects of betanol+alcohol)..**.” > [@Lets TAC.... or not ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-tac-or-not/12195/13): > > the point is that the group will act that way. (you need to watch groups to initially grasp this dimension of TAC - a dyad won’t do). it’s possible but rare that one person could shift group energy in that direction and it probably only works in certain contexts. also i think goofiness is a different thing from what arises from tac-acceptance. dyadic (one to one) bonding is different from the group acceptance. you might have a cooler vibe with a little TAC, but I don’t think it will be any… PheroQuirk (May 6, 2008): “…you might have a cooler vibe with a little TAC, **but I don’t think it will be anything like as intense as betanol** or as steady as Androsterone…” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/update-iii-beware-of-instant-honesty/261)._