# "Venting" my Adventures **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [January 8, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664 "2009-01-08T20:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/201 "2009-03-18T05:15:14Z")
ok, back from the green hell. wore [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) 12.5 mu P86 12.5 mu EST 100 mu betanol cops attitudes around the bar were good. we were busy, boss man stressed. me and fellow employee drank. hey, thats how we deal with it. Fever came in,wore his MX304. left before it _realllllly_ got busy. swore he’d come back, but 9 times out of ten,its bs. didnt come back. began to get fun with a much younger crowd, and then we decided the pheros needed to get amped. added more EST for stressed boss more cops for my waning to be memorable on a holiday and atleast 5 coasters sprayed with instant honesty spread throughout the bar. tips were about 22% im smashed, i dont care. definatly a hit with a few people who stated they only come in when im working (whether they do or not, its apparent on this day they were having a good time by the 40% tip on the bill) im feeling very good about myself, in a way slightly different from a typical TAL feeling… im suspecting the P86 i feel hot, but mostly because i keep saying all the right things. im actually admiring myslf tonight, which is not typical. a table actually pulled me aside because the girls at the table wanted to know what i was wearing. imediatly i was self-concious what could they smell? they are smiling genuinely, and have a very interested look on their face. i look for displeasure, but there isnt any. what were they smelling? its floral we think, is it you? i say, im not sure,does it smell bad? oh no! they say. we like it alot, but its noticable, and we couldnt find the source- till YOU walked by. i let them sniff my arm. they nod in agreement. we like it,they say. im crazy-busy and cant comment further. i briefly look for something further, they had just sniffed my P83 app spot. nothing left to report, i was too busy to follow this 4some. damn. this is why putatives at work are unrewarding. sometimes i cant note anything. good nite over all. i just want to sleep so that i can feel my face again. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/202 "2009-03-18T12:17:50Z")
after reading about [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)’s “heightened aggression” i re-read my post for signs of it. nah. the floral the gals smelled at the P83 site was the neroli, but it must have been too small of a dose to get even close to an aggressive action. i have used P83 a few times, never got aggression. not even for self-effects. nothing sexual in nature as well. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/203 "2009-03-18T15:13:34Z")
I totally read your report and saw p83 all over it. The aggression that I saw in my testing wasn’t as blatant as -none aggression, but more “forwardness” I suppose. I think the “lack on inhibitions” and “forwardness” might be similar with this one. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/204 "2009-03-18T15:36:36Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > I totally read your report and saw p83 all over it. The aggression that I saw in my testing wasn’t as blatant as -none aggression, but more “forwardness” I suppose. I think the “lack on inhibitions” and “forwardness” might be similar with this one. I could easily see how “forwardness” could be construed as aggression in some situations.. Although Warren had made some posts noting that high doses caused him to become irritable Perhaps [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) affects men and women different from a self-effects standpoint? ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/205 "2009-03-18T15:44:58Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Perhaps P83 affects men and women different from a self-effects standpoint? I think it was Tisha that mentioned a few weeks ago that one explanation for the varied results seen with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is the disinhibition that’s seen with it… Basically it removes _any_ inhibition you have and brings out sides/traits in you that you normally suppress… Now that can explain why some get a sexual self effect, others get very forward or assertive effect… As for myself…any phero that reduces inhibitions or is remotely sexy brings out the closet nympho in me 🙄 I must be sexually frustrated but I get that from alot of P’s & Mx’s 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/206 "2009-03-18T15:46:56Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Perhaps P83 affects men and women different from a self-effects standpoint? What if it’s not a gender thing as such but more of a difference in effect when wearing the phero as opposed to when exposed by someone else wearing it? Something similar to what cops do…Worn on a woman gets the guy horny, worn by a man…not so much 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/207 "2009-03-18T17:51:50Z")
you guys are the freakin greatest. i think im getting a better handle on the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), and im going to use it again tonight in a larger dose. the feedback here is awesome, because i am understanding it sooooo much better now. woo hoo, reps all! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/208 "2009-03-18T17:53:23Z")
damn. i guess thanking takes the place of reps :o ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/209 "2009-03-18T19:44:44Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > damn. > i guess thanking takes the place of reps :o Hey Lor, you can still give full reps by clicking the heart thingie at the bottom left. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/210 "2009-03-18T19:56:29Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Hey Lor, you can still give full reps by clicking the heart thingie at the bottom left. no, i tried. if you give reps _first_, then you can thank them. if you _thank_ first, it wont let you rep (gotta spread it around) afterwards. i just tried it with everyone here ☹ ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/211 "2009-03-18T21:23:54Z")
Oh, I get what you are saying now. I’ve always done one or the other although I think I’ve thanked after forgetting I had already repped a time or two. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/212 "2009-03-19T14:46:37Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > I think it was Tisha that mentioned a few weeks ago that one explanation for the varied results seen with P83 is the disinhibition that’s seen with it… Basically it removes _any_ inhibition you have and brings out sides/traits in you that you normally suppress… Now that can explain why some get a sexual self effect, others get very forward or assertive effect… > [@Xiphoid](#): > > What if it’s not a gender thing as such but more of a difference in effect when wearing the phero as opposed to when exposed by someone else wearing it? I have not tried [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) by itself as much I as should. It is somewhere on the list though … I do not get a sexual self-effect wearing 'none. Nor do I normally feel irritable or physically aggressive although every once in a while for both. What I do get is very socially aggressive - very forward - even more likely to approach and talk to someone. I mention that because I bet that is what happens to some people when you lower their inhibitons - they get more “forward” as it were. Others may get a more sexual self-effect. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/213 "2009-03-19T15:06:29Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > I have not tried P83 by itself as much I as should. It is somewhere on the list though … > > I do not get a sexual self-effect wearing 'none. Nor do I normally feel irritable or physically aggressive although every once in a while for both. What I do get is **very socially aggressive - very forward** - even more likely to approach and talk to someone. > > I mention that because I bet that is what happens to some people when you lower their inhibitons - they get more “forward” as it were. Others may get a more sexual self-effect. That’s exactly what happened with me as well. I became very “forward” and assertive, almost like a TAL-like confidence and assertiveness/aggression, without the standoffishness or repellant vibe I get from TAL. It also manifested as a lack of inhibitions in terms of drinking and smoking too. Which I dont do… unless I am on [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) :o ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/214 "2009-03-19T17:09:10Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > That’s exactly what happened with me as well. I became very “forward” and assertive, almost like a TAL-like confidence and assertiveness/aggression, without the standoffishness or repellant vibe I get from TAL. > > It also manifested as a lack of inhibitions in terms of drinking and smoking too. Which I dont do… unless I am on P83 :o Bosshank and Tigerlilly : i have to check and see if the last time i posted about p83 there was alot of “excess”. one of the putatives/mixes did that. its so exciting when alot of people are having very similar reactions, rather than relatively similar. so p83 is going to be a barrier-breaker with the side affect of over-doing it…the _push over the fence_ putative. okay, i just went back and looked at my notes. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) had others behaving oddly, silly, careless. all the times i have tried it at work, it was not good for tips. but i wasnt pairing it alot with tip-producing mixes… also i found my “excess” mix was MX274. i would be very interested to know if P83 is in that mix, and to what extent. P83 may be similar to P74. both smell bad 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/215 "2009-03-19T17:25:03Z")
real depression, or suicidal depression, isnt feeling bad. it isnt in your head, it isnt something that you can be distracted from. i refuse to believe that anyone truley understands this unless they have experienced a chemical inbalance that caused such dispair that **the thought of dying far outweighed the thought of anything getting better**. its a _physical feeling_ , NOT A MENTAL ONE. i cannot repeat enough- **its not a series of thoughts that feel bad.** **its an overwhelming feeling of intense sadness that the heart physically hurts and you feel smothered.** **death is the only way out.** **then and only then** **do the thoughts associated with depression** **arrive.** **the imbalance and sadness come first;** **thoughts that relate to the sadness come second and are _secondary to the experience._** * * * _ **you do not have access to good happy thoughts because they are not in line with how you feel..** _ * * * other depressions may come on the heels of loss and crisis. other depressions may come as a result of sucky life circumstances, or may be similar in the idea that they are now chemical imbalances as well. these depressions are not the depression i speak of. with this said, anyone who wants to minimize or make light my experience with my child, who cant understand why i would cringe at the thought of another child feeling the way mine did, who would be so shallow as to think mine is only a simple _opinion_, can do me the favor of NOT responding here. i am NOT interested in others thinking they know because they read a book. this is where i say with every cell of my being that unless you experienced it, _you truely dont know_. i also thought you could be prepared for childbirth. i found out twice there is no such thing. we always think we know what only experience can teach us. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/216 "2009-03-19T17:37:29Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > we always think we know > what only experience can teach us. I resonated with a lot of what you said above, but none more so than this line. I wish people could really internalize that, on many, many levels… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/217 "2009-03-19T19:07:20Z")
have a band at work tonight. was thinking: P83 25mu , possibly 37.5mu. i will either pair this with EST so that im not handling alot of ballsey people 😃 or TAL so that i _AM_ one of the ballsy people 😃 i dont want to mix more than 2 or 3 pheromones so that i get a better handle on what i can do with P83. cant be laid back and carefree at work. gotta be upbeat,fast, and sharp. well, as sharp as one can be if beer will be dulling the tack 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/218 "2009-03-19T21:06:02Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > this is where i say > with every cell of my being > that unless you experienced it, > _you truely dont know_. I whole heartedly agree. Life is incredibly subjective and despite trying to fill our realities with objective measures, it still remains completely subjective due to the fact that we as individuals must interpret the world that surrounds us, according to definitions as we understand it. Which is why I give the benefit of the doubt to so many people. Who am I to say that their experiences aren’t in accordance with what they are telling me. You know, it’s a crazy experience when the morbid thoughts start popping up into your head. Thinking, it might be better if I just step in front of the train I take to school every morning. _Finding joy at the thought of not having to feel anymore –_ is scary. Having to convince yourself that your life is worth living another day, when so many other people around you seem to be having such a good time. That in itself makes you feel crazy… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/219 "2009-03-20T13:14:52Z")
well the night did not go as planned- someone was being let-go at work, so it was my intention to wear something strong and responsible. wore: 3 sprays MX134 half a bottle of peach scent 🙄 i was told an hour into work that whatever im wearing, i smell good. 2 unrelated parties asked if i was part-owner. as is usual with this mix, i was told i am very beer knowledgable- and that i know soooo much about beer. hahahahahahaha,ha,heh. um no, _i dont_. as a matter of fact, i have never homebrewed. this to me is what really makes beer knowledge. other than that, i am simply regurgitating information. i genuinely felt like there wasnt anything i couldnt handle, even with one man short tonight. i MUST know what is in MX134. this has to be my work-base. tips were 25%. have to mention something about MX134 is a chick-magnet as well. another reason i have to know whats in the mix. had alot of girl-attention, which is not an every day occurance. i dont mean i was giving a BFF vibe, i mean i got equal opportunity gender “looks” last night. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/220 "2009-03-20T16:28:55Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > … MX134 is a chick-magnet as well. > another reason i have to know whats in the mix. > had alot of girl-attention, > which is not an every day occurance. > > i dont mean i was giving a BFF vibe, > i mean i got equal opportunity gender “looks” last night. > > 😕 Do you know if these women were straight or not? (Well, I mean… _before_ you showed up in A314!!) Diane [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=10) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=12)