# "Venting" my Adventures **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [January 8, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664 "2009-01-08T20:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/421 "2009-04-23T14:14:41Z")
tonight is _chimay_ night. we will have beer tasting with trappist chimay and this will be a busy evening so i intend to do some phero-exposure. im not sure if i want to be crazy and try something new; or just do something i know will net me some $$$. i think im curious about TAH / TAL ratios. i want the experience of TAH with the money making ability TAL has. i wonder if using them in somewhat equal ratios will cause others partial to one or the other to only pick up on the one they like most. or will it nuetralize over-the-top reactions and just create an exaggerated girly vibe. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/422 "2009-04-23T14:16:04Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > im not sure not i would say one way or another about “confidence”… > he isnt shy, > but he has this way about him > where women approach him more often than he approaches women. > > not often enough where experimenting isnt useful, but he could tell us better. Awesome! BTW, who’s your new avatar? Diane ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/423 "2009-04-23T14:46:57Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Now TAH making a guy more approachable - that makes sense to me > > I could definetly see going to far being a possibility and placing a guy in the friend-zone. > > My thoughts are that TAH is a cooperative female pheromone - a guy wearing it would be subconsciously identified as being part of the ladies group - that means the guy benefits instantly from increased comfort which is hugely important in the initial stage of developing attraction. > > Tigerlilly - PUA has largely moved on from the stuff you see on MTV with the Mystery Method. Alot of the bigger companies out there began looking at guys who were naturally amazing with women, and try to deconstruct it and teach that to other men. > > The kind of material out there makes sense now - it’s not about tricking girls into liking you (which I think MM is about)… it’s about developing your inner game (confidence, posture, having a life, beliefs, etc) while not ignoring outer game (MM is entirely outer game). Most of the outer game material is helping guys not look like total asses cold approaching women (because sometimes the girl that takes your breath away is not, and will never be, someone you would naturally meet), and helping them get by some of the shit tests ladies give when a guy cold approaches them. > > Ladies almost always give shit tests - SO DO GUYS… there just very, very different. Men test for long-term, women test for short-term. It makes sense because the risk/cost curves are opposite for men and women - A man’s opportunity cost rises with length in a relationship (the longer he is pinned down with one lady the less his chances of reproducing - obviously this is not a conscious thought process). A ladies spikes in the shorttern and then falls with length of relationship (As the relationship gets longer the risk of her being left pregnant and alone diminishes) > > Don’t take me wrong here I’m not saying all women want long-term and all guys want short-term… obviously other factors are at play (companionship) but it makes sense that guys creat communities to talk about getting past the short-term resistance of ladies and Ladies create communities to talk about getting past the long-term resistance of men (There are far more resources out there talking about how to get relationships to work more smoothly than there are for pick-up - those resources tend to have more women on their forums than men - once again… a general rule… not always applicable) i totally see how tigerlily came to an instant dislike of PUA. it comes from being exposed to a relating that we, as women, were never meant to understand totally. its like telling men to understand why its so important to tie yourself down to one woman imediately and make babies… thats totally exaggerated, but you get my point. women relate to women,men to men. trying to figure out how we all come to similar conclusions causes headaches.😃 i totally agree we are hot-wired differently. and BTW this hotwiring changes in both genders sometimes , none of it has to be permanant. i remember when i was younger i actually experienced the opposite of what we read here- i couldnt shake a guy off me and all i really wanted was to experience life to the fullest without answering to anyone. now all i really want is to answer to one guy.🙄 my first exposure to PUA was reading posts about tricking gals into thinking you are something that you are not. saying anything you can say to get to where you are going. i never got the **full** knee-jerk reaction most women have with PUA because i believe women intuitively know when they are getting BS’d and **choose** to believe whatever strokes their ego as well. i dont buy into the victim role totally. my only disgust with PUA (a few years back ) was the eagerness and willingness to lie… and then teach others to be dishonest as an _artform._ nomatter what the rewards for lying, its still dishonesty that we all have to answer for and experience eventually. dishonesty to steal is just a different reward 😉 im all for guys relating and learning from other guys how to not place too much value on outward appearances because a beautiful woman is no better than them. i think its natural for both genders to be intimidated by anyone they feel is more beautiful. obviously beauty is relative (in the eyes of…). anyone who believes beauty is a science doesnt see what i see in the bar biz. i think its awesome that there is material out there that speaks to men about their own esteem, that is helpful in feeling better about themselves- **there is no better feeling in the whole freaking world than feeling successful.** if having many beautiful women over the course of a lifetime is anyones measure of success, then they are totally entitled to experiencing that success and enjoying life to the fullest. this is what i love about _some_ of the PUA material. feeling good is what life boils down to. if giving women a “value” is helpful in getting an idea across, then do it. if i am a “3” , _so be it_. its about relating the idea to other men, not to the women who happen to be reading it and cant apply it to their own situation. as long as i dont have to KNOW about it, LOL, _then have fun._ to me its the same thing as meeting anyone for the first time (girl or guy) and thinking “jerk” 😛 or “bitch” 😃 simply put- label me a word or a number, but the only one missing out is the person who doesnt see past _whatever_. girls do the same thing in a different way with different agendas. _its all good_. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/424 "2009-04-23T14:51:43Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Awesome! > > BTW, who’s your new avatar? > > Diane Dr Steven Greer. i first heard about him through Coast to Coast. he blew me away. he was on i believe with Linda Moulton Howe and the conversation about disclosure and real experiences and cover-ups had me _glued_. he now fronts **The Disclosure Project** \ is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/425 "2009-04-23T15:14:03Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > tonight is _chimay_ night. > > we will have beer tasting with trappist chimay and this will be a busy evening so i intend to do some phero-exposure. I just had some last night. I really liked one and the other was OK - maybe a little too “malty” for me. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/426 "2009-04-23T15:24:54Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > I just had some last night. I really liked one and the other was OK - maybe a little too “malty” for me. ahh, you had chimay triple. golden in color, crisp,strong. the malty one may have been the double (red label). doubles are like belgian browns. my fave is the quad… blue label. strong stuff, that chimay… ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/427 "2009-04-23T15:31:48Z")
I want to try the quad - blue label - just did not get around to it last night although it was my original first choice though … should have gone with that. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/428 "2009-04-23T16:17:14Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > I want to try the quad - blue label - just did not get around to it last night although it was my original first choice though … should have gone with that. well blue label is also very malty. maybe raisiny, dark. its soooo good. maybe i will see you at the beer tasting? 😃 if you like dark belgians, i am currently loving the “Terrible” by Unibrue. we are one of the very few with it on tap! clothes are getting tight but beer is soooo gooood… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/429 "2009-04-23T16:21:26Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > That Steve is a happy guy 🙂 i want to hug that avatar picture, LOL ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/430 "2009-04-23T16:38:15Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Tommy is confident with beautiful women, though, correct? I wonder what a shy guy wearing TAH alone would experience from women around him? And I wonder what he would experience wearing TAH alone? > > Diane I was never offended by anything you said. Maybe some happy faces and stuff would have altered that view if you thought it. I didn’t think it at all about any of your posts 😛. Yes I was absolutely mad when TigerLilly took my words to mean something that I wrote not to mean. I felt the whole PUA label was misused and uncalled for and as such I vented my objections. Those who know me know very well I hold no grudges. We are both adults and as such we will have times when we disagree. I harbor no ill will towards her.😉 While I understand that other molecules might overcome a persons shyness, or labeling, in this instance I was very much interested in TAH and still am. I’m not very shy around ladies, so I make a poor subject. Wonder if I can find a volunteer for this. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/431 "2009-04-23T16:41:46Z")
Ooo, ooo! _Raises hand._ > [@Steve](#): > > I was never offended by anything you said. Maybe some happy faces and stuff would have altered that view if you thought it. I didn’t think it at all about any of your posts 😛. > > Yes I was absolutely mad when TigerLilly took my words to mean something that I wrote not to mean. I felt the whole PUA label was misused and uncalled for and as such I vented my objections. Those who know me know very well I hold no grudges. We are both adults and as such we will have times when we disagree. I harbor no ill will towards her.😉 > > While I understand that other molecules might overcome a persons shyness, or labeling, in this instance I was very much interested in TAH and still am. I’m not very shy around ladies, so I make a poor subject. Wonder if I can find a volunteer for this. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/432 "2009-04-23T16:47:09Z")
lets TAH this boy up and watch what happens. so far I have seen TAH _make women want to approach the man_, but i have yet to know what self-effects a guy gets on TAH alone. let the TAH fly ! ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/433 "2009-04-23T16:50:01Z")
Steve, I am very perplexed as to how and why you personally became so defensive with this post. I never was attacking you personally, or addressing this post to you as an individual in any way. I actually _have_ read your blog and yes, was aware that you were not an active PUA anymore. I gave up on the forums last night. Something seemed to be in the water. Emotions ran way high and multiple messages were misconstrued and garbled across the board. Now, in relation to your post, multiple people came away from your first post probably a bit confused and not thinking what you clearly meant to say, as you expanded upon in a later post. First Wrlly seemed to come away from your post understanding that you meant spraying TAH as a way to get a disrespect self effect: > [@wrlprchnx](#): > > At least it doesn’t ring true to me that spraying TAH on myself would cause a female disrespect self-effect. Although it would be an interesting test. And then diane999, back to “devalueing”: > [@diane999](#): > > I think a guy that needs to devalue a woman, instead of admire her, in order to approach her, needs serious emotional help. A man who holds himself in high esteem doesn’t need to pull down a woman’s value in order to meet her as an equal or to enjoy her for what she is. > > So he’d be better off working on his emotional issues in therapy rather than trying to find ways to pull people down to his level or lower. Later on, you expanded greatly, but please understand that I was not the only one to understand your meaning this way, at least initially. Diane, who is a mental ninja, was able to really get to the core of what you were saying and then analyze the deeper meaning behind the deeper meaning. But that’s her and her sheer brilliance at work. She operates on a level far different than many many of us here. She’s clearly out of my league! > [@diane999](#): > > Even with your clarification, I’m still not sure what you are asking. I still think anyone who has to bring the value of someone down in order to approach her, or have her approach him, whether it is from her looks, attitude, or whatever… it’s all subjective, after all… is looking at the world from a losing perspective. Even if the issue is not her value, but rather that he is giving her too much value in relation to him based on her looks, it is still problematic, wouldn’t you agree? > > **But I think you are asking about something else, maybe. Like would TAH work to inhibit a guy from giving a woman false value based solely on her looks?** It took a while to us to get to this point - Diane was the mental ninja who brought it out. Thank you, Diane. > [@Steve](#): > > What I said and will reemphasize is, if a man is so shy that he has a difficult or impossible time approaching a women that he sees as beautiful, than perhaps TAH can offset that beauty enough for him to approach her, thus overcoming his shyness. Actually, this is what you said, and what I read that lead me to my thought process: > [@Steve](#): > > In the right balance of shyness and intimidation perhaps the guy would get enough “disrespect” for the woman to actually approach her. You said it much better above, in my opinion. I couldn’t wrap my head around the latter statement. I identified it with similar PUA statements made by _others_ on the boards, and in other places. There was never a personal statement or accusation towards _you._ I was attempting to understand this thought process through what I know is a common male thought process to some of the board, and at least at one time _was_ a thought process of yours. Reading on, I read that you were attempting to clarify your own thought process here: > [@Steve](#): > > Not to be disrespectful or placing any value on her, but taking away enough of the false value he has already placed on her looks… Gotcha, Gotcha… I agree actually, value should never be placed on someone via looks alone. It should be inherent, already given, already freely understood that _everyone_ has a beautiful value… > [@Steve](#): > > …to bring her down to a level consistent of a person he is just meeting for the first time **who has not earned any value yet.** And that’s where you lost me. We have a fundamental difference in opinion regarding people interacting with people, and about how you approach someone (removing all PUA and sexual connotations for the moment) as an individual. > [@Steve](#): > > Is it bad to want someone to overcome a crippling shyness? Not at all! In fact, I readily acknowledged the good aspects of Game here: > [@Tigerlilly](#): > > I can understand a few of the guys who say that the “game” aspects have helped them gain confidence and learn social skills. I can appreciate that…I realize I am painting PUA’s with a broad brush - I don’t think they all think like this,… > [@Tigerlilly](#): > > Not getting into a whole PUA or game thing here. There’s a total place for it, it works, it’s fine. But above all that, being yourself, being happy with who you are and comfortable AS YOU ARE will be attractive to EVERYBODY, all the time. (_March 5_) And Wrlly said something that I quite liked as well: > [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > The basis on most new PUA material coming out these days IS self-improvement and social dynamics. > NLP/Hypnosis are tools and are very similar to Mystery Method in that you can use them to get laid/gather attraction. > Tools do not make you a better person - understanding social dynamics and more importantly, developing an understanding of yourself does. > IMO someone who is genuinely developing and becoming the best person they can be is ALWAYS attractive. > Tools can be used to succeed but genuine happiness requires more depth. (_March 5_) Once again, my comparison to game and PUA was an attempt to understand the thought process in relation to a man’s understanding of it. Your initial attempt to state your point was a bit muddled and confusing. > [@Steve](#): > > Is it your stance that a man should place value alone on a woman’s looks? Clearly not. I do not know where you get that. ALL people, regardless of looks, should be approached with honest, loving respect for their inherent value. (which is **always** present, imo.) > [@Steve](#): > > I also clearly said **not to disrespect her** , but to take enough of **“his”** false beliefs that she is better than him based on looks alone to be able to speak with her. You’ve explained yourself much better here and in other places now, however, I still believe that approaching anyone with a belief they haven’t earned any value is what is driving our disagreement. > [@Steve](#): > > Really? Please cite the source where I have EVER said that? It’s OK you wont be able to find it since it has never happened. :o Sure thing, here you go: > [@Revivia](#): > > I have been told many times by different people to not listen to women’s advice on the issue of how to date better with women and/or being more successful with women… > [@IncredulousPUA](#): > > Oh and one more thing revival, the best advice I could offer you is dont take any advice from women on how to pick up women > [@Revivia](#): > > Women are smart, dont get me wrong, but they are incapable of knowing what a guy is looking for, and using that knowledge to help us get what we want. I never said you personally said any of this. Once again, I am mystified as to why you took my reply so personally. It was never addressed to you. You posted on an open forum, in a journal which has basically become a bar lounge for several of us, and I threw my .02 cents in. That’s the spirit of Lor’s journal. In addition, I thought you would appreciate, or at least understand the posting and interplay, since you very often state that this is a great forum, where everyone can post and disagree, and still be friends. > [@Steve](#): > > Where did I write this? Show me the example of where I have this in my post? Right here: > [@Steve](#): > > In the right balance of shyness and intimidation perhaps the guy would get enough “disrespect” for the woman to actually approach her… That’s where I got that. Please understand that I was not the only one - Wrlly also pulled the “disrespect self effect” from your post. Please see above. I think we have a fundamental disagreement, but more than that, I think we had a communication error. I think that was rampant yesterday. 😃 Regarding your friend: > [@Steve](#): > > Regardless of his confidence levels he just believes he does not have a chance with the beauty across the room based on the value he has assigned to her on looks alone. I will echo Diane - I think that’s a therapy problem, not a pheromone problem. Hope he can work it out, truly. @Lor - I don’t have an instant dislike for PUA. I acknowledge the good aspects, and really feel that building self confidence and esteem is a beautiful thing. If PUA can help a man do that, that’s fabulous. However, I do think that PUA can also turn on you - your confidence and self esteem can come from a place outside yourself _too easily._ It can, but not always, be dependent on what you feel you “picked up.” You may value yourself based on your skills or game, when you should be valuing yourself on _you._ Like I said, that’s not my overriding view of it, but it remains why I am wary of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/434 "2009-04-23T16:55:43Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > so tonight, i wore: > 60mu TAH all over the upper part of my bod, > 2 sprays of instant gentleman to both wrists as previously foretold. > > 30 minutes later, im feeling like i own the place, but not in a cocky way. > i just felt very confident in my own social abilities and knew my worth to the company. > > one noticible oddity: > it was as if i was wearing IH X 10 ! > > no one would let me go, > i could walk away from a conversation saying “another time maybe” and if i accidentally made eye contact, conversation was ON … > it was as though i was the only adult in the room. > > a mixture of upbeat confidence, > and total irritation with anyones _seeming_ dependance on my presence. > > **how did the TAH figure in? > it kind of didnt. > not for self-effects, > but very much so for everyone else.** > > men’s reaction were very positive, very respectful, > i got the positivity of TAH without the loving incense burning i usually get. > > oooh and here is the tip difference- > while tips were not over the top or even standard at times, > there were more people making sure i got tipped, even if it wasnt as much as my MX134 days … > i averaged 21% tips. > definately not complaining, but this would not be my working choice. > > i was treated with repect tonight, but definatley not like a _woman._ Hmmm… damn, not what I was hoping for. I was actually hoping for the _self-effects_ of TAH and the _projected effects_ of IG… Seems to have been the reverse! 😃 Glad you had a good night. This TAH is so much fun to play with. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/435 "2009-04-23T17:01:25Z")
In short, shit happens! Now let’s all hug it out! ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/436 "2009-04-23T17:55:44Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Now let’s all hug it out! I am testing p91 at the moment… I could hug _every one of you!_ 😃 😃 😃 😃 Much Love!!! ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/437 "2009-04-23T17:57:06Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > I am testing p91 at the moment… > > I could hug _every one of you!_ > > 😃 😃 😃 😃 > > Much Love!!! It is magic, isn’t it? I think this molecule is dabomb. 😃 Diane ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/438 "2009-04-23T17:57:54Z")
Hey can I ask how much Tommy Fever was dosed in? IG and TAH, but in want amounts? I’ve been really wanting to test out TAL and TAH, but every time I save up a little money for ordering some, something else (Raw power pack for instance) sweeps in and drains all my savings… Someday. This TAH stuff sounds really “nice” I like friendly mixes a lot. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/439 "2009-04-23T18:03:06Z")
At what dose do you recommend this diane? I’m sure your dose will be different from a certain dosage for a guy, but do you think 12.5mcg is an OK amount to buy? Hm, I wonder what this mixed with IO, and IH would feel like. Will have to try the P91 alone first of course, to get its own feel for it. However, it sounds like it would be a good mix with IO, and IH. > [@diane999](#): > > It is magic, isn’t it? I think this molecule is dabomb. 😃 > > Diane ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/440 "2009-04-23T18:09:28Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > It is magic, isn’t it? I think this molecule is dabomb. 😃 > > Diane OMG!!! 😃 I am bouncing in my seat, skipping down the hallways and generally acting like a silly 5 year old. I am SO ridiculously happy. Everyone around me is happy too. I am singing at my desk too, pencil dancing and desk discoing, dude…! 🆒 Whoo Hooo! I was just asked to help “fix” a copier. My standard fix is to kick it, hard, until it works. (Works every time!) Well, I did, and then we devolved into the giggles - over and over again. 🙂 Another coworker just walked by whistling the Barnum & Bailey circus theme. 🙂 Holy Moly, happy-pandemonium has erupted here! 😃 😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=21) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=23)