# "Venting" my Adventures **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [January 8, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664 "2009-01-08T20:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/521 "2009-05-05T04:59:17Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > I’ll buy the P96 if ur selling …seriously PM ME > > I believe there is P93, and P86, in MX292, TAA+Bnol in 272, interesting assumptions on the mixes… i have used MX272 and loved it, but where betanol creates “tightness” and TAA is impersonal, this makes me want to give it another go very soon. im curious all over again! not selling P96,though. im sorry, dj ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/522 "2009-05-05T05:01:44Z")
i seriously forget that there is (my guess) nols in the instant sexi’s . wore IS/A ,2 sprays. people talking my ears off, couldnt figure it out,lol 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/523 "2009-05-05T15:35:23Z")
Probably Anol heavy. I’m dead certain there’s p86 in there too. i was flat wrong about the p96 in the mx292 though… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/524 "2009-05-05T18:32:54Z")
i never got the P86 vibe, but your prolly right. wore 3 sprays IS/A out and about today. males talked my ear off or engaged in conversation. women were very polite . this has to be a context-related, because at work, women can go either-way with the attitude. this product draws-in, and i believe we under-estimate the importance of nols in any mix. while i am in love with betanol, i totally dig the vibe of anol. it reminds me of my 7yr olds skull, if that makes sense. its _youth_ spray. i think i want to try wearing exceptionally high doses of IO mixed with L and H , just to see if the attention is age-related. holy neroli, here i go 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/525 "2009-05-05T18:36:22Z")
I have not experimented much with Openness or a/nol. I see it ALOT in mixes though - i think you’re right that it might be undervalued. (I know it’s undervalued by me!) I am very interested in seeing your experiments. I generally shy away from it because I dont like people bothering me/talking my ear off. However, you might be able to find a hidden gem and a better use for it _with depth_ inside mixes or as an augment to another… ? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/526 "2009-05-05T18:45:36Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > I have not experimented much with Openness or a/nol. I see it ALOT in mixes though - i think you’re right that it might be undervalued. (I know it’s undervalued by me!) I am very interested in seeing your experiments. > > I generally shy away from it because I dont like people bothering me/talking my ear off. However, you might be able to find a hidden gem and a better use for it _with depth_ inside mixes or as an augment to another… ? 🙂 researching back in the day, i remembered people wearing alphanol specifically for a youthful vibe. the talking is a side effect, but it isnt the only effect it has. i think i love alphanol do to its uplifting qualities, not in like spaceland but maybe several sprays of IO (where it is tempered with some betanol) what is so funny about my job is that i am able to watch which genders do what, and which age group does what. younger females and older females just like younger males and older males behave differently, and this is a great atmosphere for this testing. especially since i get both regulars and newbies to the bar. _sigh_ a renewed enthusiasm for going to work today…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/527 "2009-05-05T19:19:14Z")
TAG! You’re it! 🙂 I definitely love reading your reports just because of that - I like seeing the different reactions that such a wide disparity of people give off. _sigh_ you are making me want to test openness as well… _NOT_ today though.. ugh. Is Anol a “binding” molecule though? Or is it a distancing molecule? Or neutral? I always assumed it was a talk talk talk molecule but without depth. In ALL honesty, its this molecule that made me interested in pheros to begin with, for operational reasons. Getting someone to talk talk talk can be very, very useful… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/528 "2009-05-05T20:37:09Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > TAG! You’re it! 🙂 > > I definitely love reading your reports just because of that - I like seeing the different reactions that such a wide disparity of people give off. > > _sigh_ you are making me want to test openness as well… _NOT_ today though.. ugh. > > Is Anol a “binding” molecule though? Or is it a distancing molecule? Or neutral? I always assumed it was a talk talk talk molecule but without depth. > > In ALL honesty, its this molecule that made me interested in pheros to begin with, for operational reasons. Getting someone to talk talk talk can be very, very useful… 😉 IO has consistently been the - make me clumsy as all hell molecule It also never seemed to affect my baseline chattiness… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/529 "2009-05-06T04:20:44Z")
went to work with 2 sprays IO and 100mu EST. bossman said he was going to leave, but ended up staying in conversation for another hour. put on 2 more sprays IO for a total of 4, _LOVING_ it. the chatter was tight and friendly, no one wanted to leave. some left,changed their mind,and came back in an hour! played MADLIBS with the entire bar, 70’s music in the background, and laughter all around. for the first time in a LONG time, _i didnt even want to leave_! IO is an attractant, and NOT a mild one. its adoring, its funny. its accepting. it prods you. it prods others. there IS no feeling bad, conversations going in that direction fizzled out because they were suffocated without anything to feed on. if this experiment repeats itself tomorrow, its officially my new fave. if it doesnt, i will chalk this nite up as a fluke. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/530 "2009-05-06T19:42:45Z")
A common thread through your exceptional nights seems to be the EST you wear. Tommy Fever once said you had a “warm glow” around you when you were wearing EST. I am wondering if it’s the EST that you swim in that is the absolute basis for your mixes at the bar, which sets the mood, and then is steered with whatever you wear on top of that. I bet if you _just_ wore the I/Openness, it would not be that tight and loving. Just talk talk talk. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/531 "2009-05-08T05:30:55Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > A common thread through your exceptional nights seems to be the EST you wear. > > Tommy Fever once said you had a “warm glow” around you when you were wearing EST. > > I am wondering if it’s the EST that you swim in that is the absolute basis for your mixes at the bar, which sets the mood, and then is steered with whatever you wear on top of that. I bet if you _just_ wore the I/Openness, it would not be that tight and loving. Just talk talk talk. very possible. it still doesnt explain the reaction i got from women,though. women in my experience dont react to EST like men. thats unfortunate. i personally dont react to EST much. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/532 "2009-05-08T13:05:43Z")
people crack me up about what smells _good_ and bad … i think it was years ago, when i was talking to Dolly here and the the conversation went in the way of “if it smelled like GASOLINE i wouldnt care, as long it it made everyone _feel_ good” and the bottom line was that when something feels good, sometimes the smell is is irrelevant, and even attractive, regardless of whether it is a “pretty” smell or not. i mean, if your hungry and you smell garlic, that would be considered good, even if you didnt want to wear it. with this said, i wore TAL 50mu P86 12.5mu EST 100mu these normally would not be a scent issue, except i wore a honey-based cop to cover… now the comments i got were all over the place,and not necessarily directed at me, but directed at wherever the scent originates nebulously- it was “i smell something sweet” “its a sweet smell, but not something i can define” “who is that smell?” “thats a different smell…” now, keep in mind im in a bar. NO ONE is polite when it comes to drunken comments, so good is good, and bad is “damn girl/boy ,wash that sh!t off, i cant see straight!” physical spaces were closed in a bizarre way. there was alot of touching, by both genders. want to note that although it was rare, a few people got downright pissed-off for no reason. i believe it was a surprise to even them. i think this may be the small percentage of people who react negatively to TAL. there was this cranky “your just not capable of pleasing me and i am going to misconstrue all that you say”. i can count on three fingers how many peeps behaved this way 😉 over all tips were 25%. back to alphanol today. going super high with cops i think. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/533 "2009-05-08T16:51:30Z")
It does seem like TAL produced strongly polarized reactions on women… Our recent discussion seems to indicate that TAH has similar qualities That must be why there is a mix of the two in the IS/a&b series ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/534 "2009-05-08T17:39:20Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > It does seem like TAL produced strongly polarized reactions on women… > > Our recent discussion seems to indicate that TAH has similar qualities > > That must be why there is a mix of the two in the IS/a&b series i agree. i have yet to see someone pissed-off over TAH, but i have seen people prefer me without it and with the TAL instead. one would be my SO. he is so L molecule all the way. i do finally get why both are used in those mixes, they are so synergistic. one totally takes the edge off the other, and compliments and/or highlights the other. _so_ feminine. its like if TAL was blue and TAH was pink you have varying degrees of purple when you wear it. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/535 "2009-05-08T17:47:57Z")
I think p86 is also a muting molecule to the TAL. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/536 "2009-05-08T17:58:22Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > I think p86 is also a muting molecule to the TAL. well hey there,girly! mutating meaning that it mutates TAL, or that it is TAL mutated? or that combined it does something to the TAL that normally would not be there? im thick 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/537 "2009-05-08T19:40:16Z")
MUTE-ing, not MUTAT-ing… 😃 I think the p86 “vibe” (which I am currently on a quest to define) is also a buffer or a muter for TAL and the more aggressive pheros. Especially TAL, in my experience. I think it’s a harmonizer, a warm glow effect, a connecter - an empathogen. Emotional, as opposed to [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). With p86, you _feel_ great and incredible. With p74, you _think_ you’re feeling great, and think those _around you_ are great. But the _viscera_l emotional component is absent. So putting it together with TAL - an aggressive, dominant, assertive pehro - can _mute_ that aggression into more of a feel good assertiveness, or “assertive with a tender loving side,” if you will. 😉 I’d go equal dosage with the TAL and p86 as a test. 🙂 And leave off the EST. Test 2 - I/openness alone Test 3 - p86 + p74 Test 4 - p86 + p74 + TAL Results between test 3 & 4 would be most interesting, imo. i also want to know if your “tight” bond from anol was anol alone or was “steered” by the EST. I’ve been researching men wearing EST to get their data on female reactions. I think women are effected, but much differently. I’m still digging for more data though. 🙂 Hello to you too sweetie!! ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/538 "2009-05-08T22:50:32Z")
“EST is actually sexually-dymorphic, meaning the effect a man has wearing it is totally different from a woman wearing it around men. A man wearing it only gets the self-effects of calming, & women may “mother” him.” Thought that was very useful, so I’m putting it up. The data I am finding also indicates that men are much more tactile and fond of each other when a guy is wearing it too. I wonder if KatieA were to wear EST around her female TG’s what would happen… maybe I will send her some EST to find out! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/539 "2009-05-09T03:35:39Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > A man wearing it _EST_] only gets the self-effects of calming, & women may “mother” him." Well depending … it _could_ be a good thing. > [@Tigerlilly](#): > > The data I am finding also indicates that men are much more tactile and fond of each other when a guy is wearing it too. Not a good thing … unless someone is trying to put pressure on a sucking chest wound (as if any chest wound would not suck, right?). Then by all means, be tactile. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/540 "2009-05-09T15:07:12Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > MUTE-ing, not MUTAT-ing… 😃 > > I think the p86 “vibe” (which I am currently on a quest to define) is also a buffer or a muter for TAL and the more aggressive pheros. Especially TAL, in my experience. > > I think it’s a harmonizer, a warm glow effect, a connecter - an empathogen. Emotional, as opposed to P74. With p86, you _feel_ great and incredible. With p74, you _think_ you’re feeling great, and think those _around you_ are great. But the _viscera_l emotional component is absent. > > So putting it together with TAL - an aggressive, dominant, assertive pehro - can _mute_ that aggression into more of a feel good assertiveness, or “assertive with a tender loving side,” if you will. 😉 > > I’d go equal dosage with the TAL and p86 as a test. 🙂 And leave off the EST. > > Test 2 - I/openness alone > Test 3 - p86 + p74 > Test 4 - p86 + p74 + TAL > > Results between test 3 & 4 would be most interesting, imo. i also want to know if your “tight” bond from anol was anol alone or was “steered” by the EST. I’ve been researching men wearing EST to get their data on female reactions. I think women are effected, but much differently. I’m still digging for more data though. 🙂 > > Hello to you too sweetie!! well i told you i was thick. 🙄 seriously though, i have done IO alone many times, as well as IH alone. i have done [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) alone, and then P86 alone and TAL alone. synergistically speaking, i have never done just P74 and one-other, simply because P74 never was my fave molecule. i have used P74 mixes however. they were nice but not money. i cant pull out of it something i can use at _work_, and unfortunately my funtime is only work time (ok so its not so fun time) but as a rule, i dont have time to myself that isnt spent at TARGET or running errands. P74 although i have ALOT of it at home, is _nice_ but not _yay!_ and i cant get it to make me money\*.\* [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=26) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=28)