# "Venting" my Adventures **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [January 8, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664 "2009-01-08T20:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Tommy\_Fever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Tommy\_Fever](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tommy_Fever)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/641 "2009-06-07T14:31:10Z")
I can smell the bacon as we type. Patricks ready Spongebob.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/642 "2009-06-07T14:37:22Z")
> [@Tommy\_Fever](#): > > I can smell the bacon as we type. Patricks ready Spongebob.😃 check your user CP. incomming message. ---
**Author:** ![Tommy\_Fever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Tommy\_Fever](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tommy_Fever)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/643 "2009-06-07T14:49:38Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > check your user CP. > incomming message. hahaha. So,it’s a go for the Crusty Crab? Squiddlers got to have your pay in one of those tenticles. call me. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/644 "2009-06-09T05:03:34Z")
huge ::SIGH:: of relief … finally got paid tonight! btw, cops cause crushes. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/645 "2009-06-09T05:07:37Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > huge ::SIGH:: of relief … > > finally got paid tonight! yea!!! 😃 Congrats!!! > [@Lor](#): > > btw, > cops cause crushes. Ahahaahahaha ahahaha hahahah ahahahahahahahhha! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Curiouschic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Curiouschic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Curiouschic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/646 "2009-06-09T21:18:15Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > huge ::SIGH:: of relief … > > finally got paid tonight! > > btw, > cops cause crushes. Yay! Glad it worked out for you my dear. Hmmm, now I want some info on the cops comment 🙄 PLease 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/647 "2009-06-10T02:24:11Z")
> [@Curiouschic](#): > > Yay! Glad it worked out for you my dear. > > Hmmm, now I want some info on the cops comment 🙄 PLease 😃 juicy stories i will openly post, but some are a bit too “wow” to just anyone reading. PM incomming lol ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/648 "2009-06-12T15:10:27Z")
okay well i found it important to myself to post some thoughts. i have been playing around with much simpler mixes less the MX135 - kitchen sink mixes and more the betanol and cops or alphanol and cops. sometimes the TAL and cops or TAH and cops. if our natural phero-signature is already quite complex, then keeping it simple for me would do more to manipulate the outcome, i would think. so far, that is proving true. my SO knows that i wear pheros, buts doesnt give them much credence its not usually an issue for me to wear them unless for whatever reason they give him a headache or the cover does. he is susceptible to headaches. im looking for more information on specific pheromones. ones that get alot of attention elsewhere but since everything is quiet here for research purposes, we dont know that we are using them here. its my opinion that Androtics would do well to allow us more info on some of the weller-known/used experimones so that we can get into our experimentation more. i have been using TAH and TAL among many others for some time, and knowing what these pheros are would breathe new life into my experimentation. i think it would LIKE using all new pheromones, because we are going into the experimentation with more info to go on. since comming up with new putatives is costly and not as likely to happen lately, some of us, as researchers ourselves, deserve to be given access to what we have been working with for what seems like forever. in any event, im running low on coffee so i bid you all farewell. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/649 "2009-06-13T02:27:01Z")
ok, on my second pot of coffee (hazelnut,yum) and having some blueberry pie. im thinking of gathering research on epiandrosterone dehydroepiandrosterone sodium sulfate epoxyestratrienol beta-androstadienol anyone who wants to post any facts on these molecules can feel free to do so. id like to see more research on stuff other than nol 'none 'rone leaving for an hour but coming back. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2009, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/650 "2009-06-13T04:34:31Z")
ok well i have learned that 'rone is not an all-male phero, which i had previously thought. atleast, thats what im gathering from wiki: Androsterone : a chemical by-product created during the breakdown of androgens, or derived from [progesterone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone), that also exerts minor masculinising effects, but with one-seventh the intensity of testosterone. It is found in approximately equal amounts in the [plasma](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma) and [urine](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine) of both males and females this may be common knowledge to some, but i have always thought it was male exclusively. feel free to correct posts when things are not right. let me know 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/651 "2009-06-13T04:52:36Z")
what a sweet little article in the Independant, might be entertaining to those of us over 30… written in 2000 \*\* > [@](#): > > **DHEA** (de-hydro-epi-androsterone) is what Dr Michael Perring calls the “mother” hormone: “DHEA is the precursor of testosterone in men and progesterone and oestrogen in women. Without it, the others don’t function properly. It’s actually derived from cholesterol and is one reason why a fashionable non-fat diet can spell hormonal disaster.” [May you stay forever young? - Science, News - The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/may-you-stay-forever-young-716983.html)\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/652 "2009-06-14T00:09:02Z")
wow, this seems to be the only place on this forum where i am not stalked,lol. you know who you are . get over it. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/653 "2009-06-14T01:30:48Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > ok well i have learned that 'rone is not an all-male phero, which i had previously thought. > atleast, thats what im gathering from wiki: > > Androsterone : a chemical by-product created during the breakdown of androgens, or derived from [progesterone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progesterone), that also exerts minor masculinising effects, but with one-seventh the intensity of testosterone. It is found in approximately equal amounts in the [plasma](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma) and [urine](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine) of both males and females > > this may be common knowledge to some, > but i have always thought it was male exclusively. > > feel free to correct posts when things are not right. > > let me know 🙂 Wiki is wrong, at least substantively… Androsterone is a breakdown product of testosterone that happens in the liver. Since women produce very little testosterone, they produce substantially less Androsterone. Diane ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/654 "2009-06-14T12:20:09Z")
Hi Lor. This chart may be useful to you for the breakdowns of how certain mones are derived. [Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry - Chem\*4520 Metabolic Processes](http://www.chembio.uoguelph.ca/educmat/Chm452/lectur20.htm) **epiandrosterone** is a 3b insomer of Androsterone both produced from the adrenal hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) which is derived from Testosterone. They are broken down in the liver and some studies indicate some breakdown occurs with in the glands. Reported (when used pheromonally) to be relaxing confident similar to arone but on a less masculine level. **dehydroepiandrosterone sodium sulfate** … This is the one that Pherlure prominently contains. [Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)](http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/dehydroepiandrosterone-dhea-000299.htm) In the body hormonally it is said to give women a feeling of well being and improved sexuality as well as alleviate depression. Pheromonally it hasnt proven to do much but just because it hasnt been scientifically proven **yet** dosnt mean it should be ruled out as acting as a pheromone. Pheromones are derived from hormones but once they become pheromones they of course take a different pathway to the brain then hormones do and have a different function then hormones. So while its important to know where they come from and what pathways they take its not a indication of what they do. **epoxy estratrienol** I have not been able to find anything on it in humans but I did find this… [THE ISOLATION OF Dgr-5,7,9-ESTRATRIENOL-3-ONE-17 FROM THE URINE OF PREGNANT MARES – Heard and Hoffman 135 (2): 801 – Journal of Biological Chemistry](http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/135/2/801) Now I cant say for a fact they are the same. Maybe Diane can find more info on it. **estradiol** is found in humans. It can get confusing because all of the chemical names are similar. Sigma Aldrich dosnt have epoxy estratrienol or estratrienol listed as a chemical or human hormone. **beta-androstadienol** I do know they have it here and I do know you and I have used it. Take a look at Nbullys blog called my experience with the sense of smell. I cant link it (snort) A lot of good stuff there. I would email it if I had your addy. > [@](#): > > Androstadienol is the -nol version of the famous molecule A1. A1 is found to increase comfort in women. Beta-androstadienol has some reports of being a fun (hilarity) molecule. Hope this helps Tisha ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/655 "2009-06-14T15:12:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Androstadienol is the -Androstenol version of the famous molecule Androstadienone. Androstadienone is found to increase comfort in women. Beta-androstadienol has some reports of being a fun (hilarity) molecule. That can only be p74? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/656 "2009-06-14T17:53:39Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > That can only be p74? NB seems to feel that androstadienol is P79. I have never used androstadienol under it chemical name so I dont know. beta-androstadienol I have and I do find it much like [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) with some simularities to TAA. MH has indicated back in 2006 in this post \>\>\>\>\> [Androstadienol: what does it do, and has anyone used it alone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienol/543) … that we have used it. Back then the putatives only were in the 70’s and 80’s P codes so it has to be in that section of putatives. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/657 "2009-06-14T18:30:10Z")
I came to that conclusion, because: 1. p74 _ **is** _ a “fun (hilarity) molecule.” 2. In the store P74 is listed not just as a putative but also an experimone, which suggests androtics now believe it to be a proven pheromone. p79 is also in there which would suggest that one is Alpha-androstadienol and the other beta-androstadienol. 3. I recall you saying that androtics synthesised both p74 and p93 in an attempt to create the positives of A1, but without any of the negatives. That seems to suggest they are similar molecularly, although in reality p74 feels very different to A1. Therefore, I believe p74 is beta-androstadienol. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/658 "2009-06-14T19:44:11Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hi Lor. > > This chart may be useful to you for the breakdowns of how certain mones are derived. > > [Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry - Chem\*4520 Metabolic Processes](http://www.chembio.uoguelph.ca/educmat/Chm452/lectur20.htm) > > **epiandrosterone** is a 3b insomer of Androsterone both produced from the adrenal hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) which is derived from Testosterone. They are broken down in the liver and some studies indicate some breakdown occurs with in the glands. > > Reported (when used pheromonally) to be relaxing confident similar to arone but on a less masculine level. > > **dehydroepiandrosterone sodium sulfate** … This is the one that Pherlure prominently contains. > > [Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)](http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/dehydroepiandrosterone-dhea-000299.htm) > > In the body hormonally it is said to give women a feeling of well being and improved sexuality as well as alleviate depression. Pheromonally it hasnt proven to do much but just because it hasnt been scientifically proven **yet** dosnt mean it should be ruled out as acting as a pheromone. Pheromones are derived from hormones but once they become pheromones they of course take a different pathway to the brain then hormones do and have a different function then hormones. So while its important to know where they come from and what pathways they take its not a indication of what they do. > > **epoxy estratrienol** I have not been able to find anything on it in humans but I did find this… [THE ISOLATION OF Dgr-5,7,9-ESTRATRIENOL-3-ONE-17 FROM THE URINE OF PREGNANT MARES – Heard and Hoffman 135 (2): 801 – Journal of Biological Chemistry](http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/135/2/801) > > Now I cant say for a fact they are the same. Maybe Diane can find more info on it. > > **estradiol** is found in humans. It can get confusing because all of the chemical names are similar. > > Sigma Aldrich dosnt have epoxy estratrienol or estratrienol listed as a chemical or human hormone. > > **beta-androstadienol** > > I do know they have it here and I do know you and I have used it. Take a look at Nbullys blog called my experience with the sense of smell. I cant link it (snort) A lot of good stuff there. I would email it if I had your addy. > > Hope this helps > > Tisha thanks alot, Tisha! i have found the similar info on test —\>DHEA , and it was confusing to me how different sources (i will try to find them again) claimed it was a steriod that can be absorbed through the skin. actually, i have tesed it enough to find out i am getting something from it… a sense of well-being i guess… so i prefer to use it than not. i havent grown a beard yet and my voice hasnt changed. thats good. :o i used to follow NBully’s blog obsessively, and i know EXACTLY to what you are refering. NBully is quite the sharp character. i happen to agree with alot of what he says. > [@](#): > > Sigma Aldrich dosnt have epoxy estratrienol or estratrienol listed as a chemical or human hormone. and you my friend, are sharp,too 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/659 "2009-06-14T19:45:43Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Wiki is wrong, at least substantively… > > Androsterone is a breakdown product of testosterone that happens in the liver. > > Since women produce very little testosterone, they produce substantially less Androsterone. > > Diane well that fact that we produce any at ALL surprised me,lol. im slow 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/660 "2009-06-14T19:49:07Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > That can only be p74? i just dont get hilarity from P74. actually, i got hilarity from [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), ODDLY enough. weird isnt it? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=32) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=34)