# "Venting" my Adventures **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [January 8, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664 "2009-01-08T20:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/161 "2009-03-10T19:58:04Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > You wear a consistent mix in your work environment, with some day to day tweaking, but pretty much report a non-varied self effect from each of the differing mixes you use. Your recent tests on MX135 definitely had a “self effects” tinge to them. > > Do you believe that to be conscious or unconscious on their part? Or lack of education? > > Also, we can’t (generally) artificially augment or change our natural phero signature. The _intention_ to influence is already there based on our use of the pheros. > > At what point does “influence” become “manipulation?” > > Is true out-and-out manipulation even possible? > > This is not meant to be a confrontational post, but a truly honest inquiry into phero usage and theory. 🙂 no, i love this! okay: actually i do vary but not often at work _anymore_ due to money being tight recently. i vary VERY much during the day. also i have tested putatives at work in earlier posts, but i believe this is before you found my journal 😉 i do not think all users know that wearing 10 sprays of any one pheromone mix is manipulation vs enhancement. some do. i wont get into that part. but as for the difference between manipulation and influence… i believe its my intention to influence another person postively wearing something that may or may not be uplifting to them. that would be up to HOW I BEHAVE WHILE USING/wearing. the subtly of a nice or sexxay phero-sigature is enhancement. the ability for someone to wear enough of a mixture (OD to people not acclimated) that it can create a spacy or confused feeling, often refered to as lust 😕 is the intention that enhancement is not enough, i must use it to the degree that it _overwhelmes_. in other words, if i am in an office environment for instance, and to be near me is to catch my signature, that is wonderful. you get to decide whether you like it or not and behave accordingly. now if i am in this office wearing 14 sprays of anything, and you are across the room and can huff me from there, i believe it is sometimes the intention of the person wearing that you are going to huff me whether you like that signature or NOT. that is my opinion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/162 "2009-03-10T20:01:19Z")
going to work, i cannot even wait to come back and see if there are anymore replies. posting becomes rote when there lacks the bouncing off of ideas and theory. thank you guys SO much for visiting the journal !!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/163 "2009-03-10T20:04:12Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > well > > i am comming up with new theories as to why others get some unsatisfactory results with TAH, > including my tips, > but this is all good stuff here… > > first i want to note that i wore > > 50mu of TAH (on top of anything residual) > 100mu EST > > tips were adequate. > > what i want to mention about this night > other than the obvious night-flying-by that usually happens when i am all-about people, > is that we had a problem come up > where the bossman had to leave. > > other than appearing really upset over the problem, > **there was _noted concern_ over how i felt about being left alone,** > **but at the same time** > **_no concern at all_ in leaving the place in my hands.** > > i am convinced > that TAH in no way “makes” you appear less capable or less alpha. > > if you are alpha, > there isnt enough TAH in the world to change that. > it can _soften_ the way you are percieved, > but it wont make you > percieved as _less than_ that. > > all these posts about TAH > knocking the feet (or spine) out from under them, > really has to do with self-effects, > and less about how they are genuinely percieved. > > when MX292 makes a guy feel super confident, > they have written they walk differently, behave differently. > > i would have to say it is the same with TAH. > and then > people react to your behaviour. > > when Cookie says: > > worrying about the loss of an alpha demeanor isnt alpha behaviour. > > i dont think pheromones can make you lose or gain it, > all they can do is enhance or play it down. > > alpha is who you are, not what you smell like. > > i can feel less alpha, but then who i am doesnt allow anyone to handle me even under high doses of TAH. > > TAH doesnt allow for others to take the rein for me > unless > that is their\* job\*. > > i have noticed that > whenever i have felt introverted or quiet wearing TAH, > its always followed by a genuine vulnerability > that is NOT TAH related. > > this is usually either > sickeness or > that time of the month. > > my TAH wearing lately has been in the absence of TAL > and i have not noticed > being treated as less aware or less knowledgable > just more approachable > and more inclusive. > > key word being _inclusive_. > > if typical alpha behaviour is to be exclusive, > than TAH allows for more without making ME less. > > make sense? this post explains how i view the Alpha siggy better,wrlpchnx 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/164 "2009-03-10T20:15:19Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > the _striving_ part, > regardless of success or failure on their part, > to me was Alpha. > not all real Alphas succeed in everything they do (in their eyes) > but the act of striving showed pro-active behaviour. > i didnt know Betas to “strive” but to be comfortable, > but there again lies my skewed definition of Alpha. > > i love these conversations !!! > 🙂 While I agree that striving for **something** is a requirement of being Alpha - or in other words, an Alpha does not stagnate - I do not feel that all people who **try to get what they want** are inherently Alpha. It has alot more to do with **how** they try to get what they want. An Alpha acquires their value from within themselves, a Beta acquires value from outside of themselves. A-types all too often demand others to respect them and acquire any respect they have by FORCING their will onto people of lesser strength that surround them. The angry guys you see at bars who punch people to get what they want **ARE NOT ALPHA** , they are simply Betas who are trying to act like Alphas by using their muscles to demand respect from people, irregardless of whether those people think they deserve it. An Alpha does not **demand** respect, but instead **commands** it. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/165 "2009-03-10T20:20:26Z")
I think we view Alpha in much the same way Lor and this discussion is a bit of a practice in semantics… I agree with you that being Alpha means having a STRONG sense of self-worth and clarity of purpose. Clarity of purpose is the wrong way to say it - Alpha’s just inherently know what needs to be done, they know their limitations and are not afraid of them.. They also know what they are capable of and don’t shy away from performing to their capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/166 "2009-03-10T20:23:01Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > going to work, > i cannot even wait to come back and see if there are anymore replies. > > posting becomes rote when there lacks the bouncing off of ideas and theory. > > thank you guys SO much for visiting the journal !!! > > 🙂 I fully agree - A real discussion is terribly engaging. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/167 "2009-03-10T22:25:22Z")
See Lor…this is why I keep banging on about you being like a black belt in human behaviour and psychoanalysis… I love reading your post and reports on this stuff! I wish I got people the way you seem to get them… I think I’m too much of an analytical surgeon type/scientific mind tho… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/168 "2009-03-10T23:22:07Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > although i adore the self-effects, > the original point of using the pheromones was to enhance your signiture through the _influence of others_. > > i remember a while back MHarris or Jasmin mentioned that these formulas _were not intentioned to be self-effectors_, > although they do at first. > > the idea is that once you get used to your mixes, the self-effects cease to some degree if not all together. > > its possible that the new and improved intention on this forum NOW is to get self-effects, > but then that is NOT using pheromones to enhance your signature, > its self-medicating. > > the idea is that you are “immune” to your natural signature > (you dont walk around high on the small amount of pheromones we naturally produce.) > > … I think this is partly my fault because I report almost exclusively on self effects. My intention originally was to try to get a handle on how these molecules affect people, by seeing how they affected me. Often I see the same things in those around me that I’m experiencing in myself, and sometimes something completely different. So for me it was just a way to better get a real handle on the pheromones. But let’s face it, these substances do affect us as well as those around us. There was a great debate about this regarding A314, about how wearing the stuff actually made you more prone to _be_ like your signature, more alpha and more confident. We do get self effects, whether we are aware of it, or whether it is intentional or not. If we were wearing the miniscule nano-molecular amounts like we produce normally, that wouldn’t be the case. But we are not, and it is. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/169 "2009-03-11T01:29:17Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > **An Alpha acquires their value from within themselves, a Beta acquires value from outside of themselves.** > > A-types all too often demand others to respect them and acquire any respect they have by FORCING their will onto people of lesser strength that surround them. The angry guys you see at bars who punch people to get what they want **ARE NOT ALPHA** , they are simply Betas who are trying to act like Alphas by using their muscles to demand respect from people, irregardless of whether those people think they deserve it. _ **An Alpha does not demand respect, but instead commands it.** _ EXACTLY. Exactly, exactly, exactly. 🙂 Precisely. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/170 "2009-03-11T01:33:08Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I think this is partly my fault because I report almost exclusively on self effects. My intention originally was to try to get a handle on how these molecules affect people, by seeing how they affected me. Often I see the same things in those around me that I’m experiencing in myself, and sometimes something completely different. > > So for me it was just a way to better get a real handle on the pheromones. > > But let’s face it, these substances do affect us as well as those around us. There was a great debate about this regarding A314, about how wearing the stuff actually made you more prone to _be_ like your signature, more alpha and more confident. > > **We do get self effects, whether we are aware of it, or whether it is intentional or not. If we were wearing the miniscule nano-molecular amounts like we produce normally, that wouldn’t be the case. But we are not, and it is.** > > Diane Diane, you have been one of the true inspirations on these boards. I think that your self testing, and focusing on the self effects is PRECISELY what is needed during our individual testing of these mixes. Xiphoid does it as well. it is indeed the best seeming way to really fully understand these pheros - how do they effect US, and then how do they effect others? I remain convinced that self effects are very important. Either through an unconscious aspect of behavior modification or self-suggestion, or a true bio-chemical self effect, there is truly something “going on” self effects wise. I wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/171 "2009-03-11T01:58:42Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i believe its my intention to influence another person postively wearing something that may or may not be uplifting to them. > > that would be up to HOW I BEHAVE WHILE USING/wearing. > > the subtly of a nice or sexxay phero-sigature is enhancement. > > **i believe it is sometimes the intention of the person wearing that you are going to huff me whether you like that signature or NOT.** Is then an attention-grabbing “Vavoom” mix, or a “Vavoom 2” mix of Selva’s, or a phero/cop-bomb mix an overwhelming “manipulative” signature? At all times? Or are you narrowing it down to environment and congruence specific actions and interactions? IE - school and office environments, why are you wearing three sprays MX109? A packed and crowded bar, why are you wearing 200mcg of EST? Lamaaz class, why are you wearing 4 sprays TUTH? You seem to be able to wear very low doses and get great effects. I, and Xiphoid, and possibly Diane, often wear very high doses of pheros. I know for me, effective ranges of certain (not all!) molecules are in the higher-than-normal range. Some quirk of my body chemistry, no doubt. I know it’s parting words here, but in terms of “great number of sprays” there is a difference between the phero baptisms that all newbies go through, and a dosed mcg content that works for individuals to notice effects on themselves and those around them. “Subtle” can have many different meanings for people. “Subtle” TAF for Xiphoid & me seems to be around 15-20mcg - for you that’s killer! 🙂 I also heartily agree with the men on this - Pheros = 10%, you equals 90%. Tisha had great success with her Vavoom mix when she says she wasn’t very sexy (something about ankles showing… 😕), but I think we all know on here that she IS sexy, and more than that, is confident, in control, in command, and a happy, in charge person. THAT to me are attractive qualities. So withe her Vavoom enhancement, and her NATURAL, inherent personality, I do believe that was a “subtle” 10% enhancement. She found a mix that empowered that 10% (ish) to be HOT DAMN. I think another problem is that **sometimes** someone who is a hippo-croca-gorilla-pig will try some the Instant Sexiness line (damn marketing) and wonder WHY oh WHY isn’t it working!? 5 or 6 sprays IS/a will not make the men chase you down - but there will be confusion. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO (OR WHY) EVERYONE WHO DOESN’T SEE RESULTS!! (I can see, feel and hear the pitchforks and torches coming for me…) Again, back to the 10% - it can only work with that 10% - you’ve got to work the other 90%. For the hippo-croca-gorilla-pig, it means exercising, buying flattering clothes, playing up the best parts of their personality, etc - for others, its acting in congruence with the phero, and for still others, its just being themselves. I do however think there is a fundamental lack of research and knowledge gathering prior to either placing an order or utilizing a (wonderful) freebie gift. The “more is better” philosophy hasn’t been beaten out of people on here adequately enough. DOSAGE is key. INDIVIDUAL experimentation and knowledge gathering is key. FULL studying of what it is these CAN and CANNOT do is key. For instance, I shy away from the term “manipulation” just because it seems like that’s giving the pheros too much power - it’s only 10%. BUT, then again, I think some men on here would say “Duh!” to your last line up above, especially a PUA at a bar (just an example! put down the pitchfork!) - He WANTS that girl to huff his [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/A314/TUTH. Look at the recent experiment the dude did with spraying TUTH around his wife who “wasn’t sexually attracted to him anymore,” and she responded beautifully - If that’s not a blatent “huff me” then I dont know what is - but it worked, as intended, and very well. (Actually, what ever happened to that one… 😕) If that can work to repair their relationship… is that all that bad??? As Diane said, we ARE using these for effects, to influence, or vent, or diffuse, but somehow, for an effect. Hope work went well tonight for you Lor! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/172 "2009-03-11T02:22:04Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > You seem to be able to wear very low doses and get great effects. _I, and Xiphoid, and possibly Diane, often wear very high doses of pheros._ I know for me, effective ranges of certain (not all!) molecules are in the higher-than-normal range. Some quirk of my body chemistry, no doubt. I know it’s parting words here, but in terms of “great number of sprays” there is a difference between the phero baptisms that all newbies go through, and a dosed mcg content that works for individuals to notice effects on themselves and those around them. “Subtle” can have many different meanings for people. “Subtle” TAF for Xiphoid & me seems to be around 15-20mcg - for you that’s killer! 🙂 > … _It depends on the pheromone._ EST is naturally produced in very high quantities, and 60-75 mcg seems to be the most effective for affecting my husband to the best degree for him. It is where he is happiest. I don’t see much as far as self affects with this one at any dosage. With TAF, Xiphoid and I are special cases regarding this pheromone because of our lazy left frontal cortexes… ADD. P102, P103 I wear much _lower_ dosage than most of the guys wear, around 1.25 - 2.5 mcg total. Everyone needs to find _their own sweet spots_ regarding each pheromone, where they are comfortable and they see the best overall effects from others. It helps if you have a clear overall design for what you want to accomplish with pheromones - the more specific and realistic the better. You may want to take over the world, spread peace and harmony wherever you go, have men groveling at your feet and begging for your slightest affections - but you’d better be ready to accept settling for _mere improvements_ instead. These discussions about the ethics of pheromone use are overblown, imo. You can’t take away free will no matter how much stinkfoot you bathe in. And as far as the ethics of affecting others, it reminds me of the religious fanatics warning doom and damnation if women wear makeup, or cut their hair, or show their faces… totally overblown. On the other hand, maybe we should all paint the interior and exterior of our houses dull grey and wear only dull grey clothing so that we don’t accidentally _manipulate_ others into feeling better with cheerful colors. You see my point? Diane ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/173 "2009-03-11T02:47:05Z")
Perfectly! 🙂 In fact, I think we’re making the same one… 🙂 LOVE the last example. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/174 "2009-03-11T02:56:19Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > it reminds me of the religious fanatics warning doom and damnation if women wear makeup, or cut their hair, I don’t cut my hair because then I’ll lose my power! ☹ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/175 "2009-03-11T04:37:34Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I think this is partly my fault because I report almost exclusively on self effects. My intention originally was to try to get a handle on how these molecules affect people, by seeing how they affected me. Often I see the same things in those around me that I’m experiencing in myself, and sometimes something completely different. > > So for me it was just a way to better get a real handle on the pheromones. > > But let’s face it, these substances do affect us as well as those around us. There was a great debate about this regarding A314, about how wearing the stuff actually made you more prone to _be_ like your signature, more alpha and more confident. > > We do get self effects, whether we are aware of it, or whether it is intentional or not. If we were wearing the miniscule nano-molecular amounts like we produce normally, that wouldn’t be the case. But we are not, and it is. > > Diane um i think your reason for self effects and someone else’s reasons when they are having a crappy day are very different 😃 if i am genuinely interested in how a molecule is affecting others, i play with them myself. if i am not liking who i am that day and bathe in instant shine or [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A, thats totally different 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/176 "2009-03-11T04:48:37Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > While I agree that striving for **something** is a requirement of being Alpha - or in other words, an Alpha does not stagnate - I do not feel that all people who **try to get what they want** are inherently Alpha. > > It has alot more to do with **how** they try to get what they want. > > An Alpha acquires their value from within themselves, a Beta acquires value from outside of themselves. > > A-types all too often demand others to respect them and acquire any respect they have by FORCING their will onto people of lesser strength that surround them. The angry guys you see at bars who punch people to get what they want **ARE NOT ALPHA** , they are simply Betas who are trying to act like Alphas by using their muscles to demand respect from people, irregardless of whether those people think they deserve it. An Alpha does not **demand** respect, but instead **commands** it. this to me implies that Alphas are in some way more clever. im not sure that anyone thinks that anyone fighting at bars are Alpha. i think that anyone with the **desire to be more** has Alpha tendencies\*\*.\*\* 😉 now whether or not they succeed may be determined by intelligent behaviour. 1de·mand [[http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif](http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif)](javascript:popWin(‘/cgi-bin/audio.pl?demand01.wav=demand’)) Pronunciation: \di-ˈmand, -ˈmänd, dē-\ Function: _noun_ Date: 13th century 1 a\*\*:\*\* an act of [demanding](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demanding) or asking especially with authority \ b\*\*:\*\* something claimed as due \ 1com·mand [[http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif](http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif)](javascript:popWin(‘/cgi-bin/audio.pl?comman01.wav=command’)) Pronunciation: \kə-ˈmand\ Function: _verb_ Etymology: Middle English _comanden,_ from Anglo-French _cumander,_ from Vulgar Latin _commandare, alteration of Latin commendare to commit to one’s charge — more at [commend](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commend) Date: 14th century transitive verb1_\*:\*\* to direct authoritatively **:** [order](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/order)2\*\*:\*\* to exercise a dominating influence over **: have command of: as a:** to have at one’s immediate disposal \<_commands many resources\> b:_ to demand or receive as one’s due \<_commands a high fee\> c:_ to overlook or dominate from or as if from a strategic position \ d: \*\*to have military command of as senior officer \ 3_obsolete\* **:** to order or request to be given_intransitive verb_1\*\*:\*\* to have or exercise direct authority **:** [govern](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/govern)2\*\*:\*\* to give orders im not seeing a huge difference there. but again, this is my theory.. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/177 "2009-03-11T05:01:38Z")
wow its sounding as if some are taking this into a _morality_ senario, and there is alot of defence in phero use going up 😉 if an old lady bathes in perfume and you are forced to inhale a scent that not only overwhelmes you but say **makes you uncomfortable** , that is NOT about morality _or_ whether its 10% you 90% ect ect… **its about her NOT being aware that she is smothering her company.** sometimes they know it, and that sucks. manipulation of airspace. but i specifically said > [@](#): > > **i believe it is sometimes the intention of the person wearing that you are going to huff me whether you like that signature or NOT.** this definatey applies to the heavy pheromone use some use because they may have not yet aquired the skill to see when a smaller dose is working affectively. that would be about _awareness_. now, i agree with Diane that some pheros require a heavier dose because of the nature of the pheromone, not the user. like EST. its across the board. but if you cant see results from 5 sprays of [instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/), its just not for you or you are looking for the impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/178 "2009-03-11T05:07:18Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > _It depends on the pheromone._ > > EST is naturally produced in very high quantities, and 60-75 mcg seems to be the most effective for affecting my husband to the best degree for him. It is where he is happiest. I don’t see much as far as self affects with this one at any dosage. > > With TAF, Xiphoid and I are special cases regarding this pheromone because of our lazy left frontal cortexes… ADD. > > P102, P103 I wear much _lower_ dosage than most of the guys wear, around 1.25 - 2.5 mcg total. > > Everyone needs to find _their own sweet spots_ regarding each pheromone, where they are comfortable and they see the best overall effects from others. > > It helps if you have a clear overall design for what you want to accomplish with pheromones - the more specific and realistic the better. You may want to take over the world, spread peace and harmony wherever you go, have men groveling at your feet and begging for your slightest affections - but you’d better be ready to accept settling for _mere improvements_ instead. > > These discussions about the ethics of pheromone use are overblown, imo. You can’t take away free will no matter how much stinkfoot you bathe in. > > And as far as the ethics of affecting others, it reminds me of the religious fanatics warning doom and damnation if women wear makeup, or cut their hair, or show their faces… totally overblown. On the other hand, maybe we should all paint the interior and exterior of our houses dull grey and wear only dull grey clothing so that we don’t accidentally _manipulate_ others into feeling better with cheerful colors. > > You see my point? > > Diane who brought up ethics of pheromone use??? i thought we were talking about the ethics of overwhelming someone that _isnt asking_ to be overwhelmed. i kind of like that i dont have to breathe in ciggarette smoke since im a nonsmoker, but this sounds EXACTLY like the response i get when the topic of being able to smoke in bars is brought up! suddenly i am a fanatic 😉 ---
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> [@Lor](#): > > who brought up ethics of pheromone use??? > > i thought we were talking about the ethics of overwhelming someone that _isnt asking_ to be overwhelmed. > > i kind of like that i dont have to breathe in ciggarette smoke since im a nonsmoker, > but this sounds EXACTLY like the response i get when the topic of being able to smoke in bars is brought up! > > suddenly i am a fanatic 😉 That wasn’t directed at you, my true love… it is just something that has grabbed hold of the board. So, do you have an overwhelming pheromone in mind when you are bringing up these points? Diane ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/180 "2009-03-11T13:59:35Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > That wasn’t directed at you, my true love… it is just something that has grabbed hold of the board. > > So, do you have an overwhelming pheromone in mind when you are bringing up these points? > > Diane i can appreciate that. i think its less about the specific putatives. sometimes you see the target or targets in some cases (posts) not responding or not responding _nicely_ and so it is usually assumed that not enough sprays are being used. honestly, i think there is a lack of observation skills or knowledge that sometimes people (targets) dont react outwardly,especially if they are confused by the signal. you know, used to one thing and then get another? so with the experimones or the putatives, more is actually _necessary_ if the dose on the bottle is low to begin with. if someone writes that they wore 3 sprays IS/A and 4 sprays IHX2 and 2 sprays ISX2 ect ect all i can think is our natural pheromone signature _when not scrubbed away_ would never be this high, and so even though the products are WAY higher than natural, people are using the stuff to get drug-like reactions or “big” reactions when the art of pheromone use is subtle in nature but hopefully not subtle in reaction (although most of the time it is) otherwise we could call this stuff spray-mood and just use **opium smoke** 😃 i guess i am comming across anti-pheromone use when really i am so pro-use that when they are being used in excess i feel they lose their intentional purpose. which is to enhance/inspire/influence not make issues go away 🙄 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=8) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664.md?page=10)