# Vero Labs gets in the Phero Game! **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [December 20, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623 "2007-12-20T19:21:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/1 "2007-12-20T19:21:34Z")
I just received an e-mail from Vero Labs announicing that they have now added Androstenone and Androsterone to the Oxytocin in Liquid Trust, and are calling it Liquid Trust Enhanced. But, they do not specify levels or concentrations of any of the compounds. Just for the record, I have purchased Liquid Trust twice, the first bottle seemed to work great, while the second bottle did absolutely nothing. Here’s the article and link for anyone interested in reading it. Although personally, I’ll stick with my Androtics pheros - Thank you very much! Before we move on to the article, let’s point out that they used to discount the effects of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) and said that it was proven that they only worked because pheromones caused Oxytocin levels to rise, inferring that Oxytocin was the actual workhorse. Of course that was before the release of their newest product, which does include pheromones. Funny that they didn’t bother to change their FAQ section: And, for anyone who doesn’t want to bother opening a new window, here is the text: **Is this like Pheromones?** Very different. Pheromones are a chemical that you produce when you sweat. While there is some evidence that pheromones make you more attractive, it has been proven that they only work because they cause Oxytocin levels to rise in the other person. By using actual Oxytocin, found only in Liquid Trust, you are going straight to the source in the other person’s brain. Also, unlike pheromones, Oxytocin has been proven to be the chemical that increases levels of trust people, in addition to basic physical attraction. Now on to the article: Key To Dating Is Trust…In Liquid Form? _It’s no secret the atmosphere enhancement spray market is filled with products that contain the pheromones Androstenone and Androsterone. But now, thanks to Vero Labs, there’s a spray that offers pheromones and a unique Oxytocin hormone formula together in the same product called Liquid Trust Enhanced._ Boca Raton, FL ([PRWEB](http://www.prweb.com/)) December 18, 2007 – It’s no secret the atmosphere enhancement spray market is filled with products that contain the pheromones Androstenone and Androsterone. But now, thanks to Vero Labs, there’s a spray that offers pheromones and a unique Oxytocin hormone formula together in the same product called Liquid Trust Enhanced. Why is this important? Vero Labs Marketing Director John Grant explains: “A few years ago we introduced our product Liquid Trust - the first trust enhancement spray that uses Oxytocin as the main ingredient. Oxytocin is a hormone that’s produced naturally in the brain and helps regulate emotions and stimulates the feeling of trust. Many of our customers were also using a pheromone-based spray, so we decided to combined the two elements to offer our customers a single potent product.” Grant adds there are countless studies that show the hormone Oxytocin leads people to be more trusting, less fearful, and overall more calm and relaxed. So his team of scientists went to work to create a product that could help people earn greater trust. As he explains, trust is a large factor for having a happier, more successful life. “Liquid Trust was created to be more than just the typical ‘pick-up spray’ you see advertised in the media. The majority of our customers simply want more trust in their current interpersonal relationships or they want to climb higher up the career ladder. That said, trust plays a factor in the overall fulfillment of life, and love, and we’re proud Liquid Trust has achieved that.” But now two and a half years later, Grant and the team are introducing Liquid Trust Enhanced. It includes the hormone Oxytocin but also the pheromones of Androstenone and Androsterone, known for creating sexual vibes and increasing sexual tension. He explains how it ties together: “Over the past several years we have received many questions about the difference between the hormone Oxytocin and pheromones and our answer has been Oxytocin opens the doors while pheromones seal the deal,” he states. “Oxytocin builds trust levels but pheromones help prompt people into action.” According to Grant what makes Liquid Trust Enhanced so unique is the fact it uses both components. And although pheromones create feelings of lust, it’s also tied to confidence, or ‘projecting an strong alpha impression’ as he calls it. “From a physiological standpoint, Liquid Trust Enhanced can help someone get the gal or guy of your dreams,” Grant says. “in addition to an emotional enhancement spray it takes social graces and self-assurance too. However, we’ve found that people using this new product are prone to being more confident, and that makes a world of difference.” ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/2 "2007-12-23T08:53:38Z")
Okay so I found something. So then the second bottle you purchased was “Enhanced”? I just asked about this product in my thread, then I came across this thread… what do you actuallly think about the product? Seems to say the Oxytocin really works, but not when combined with pheromones? Does that mean if I do use this product, I should use it alone? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/3 "2007-12-23T17:51:41Z")
> [@mewgirl](#): > > So then the second bottle you purchased was “Enhanced”? I just asked about this product in my thread, then I came across this thread… what do you actuallly think about the product? Seems to say the Oxytocin really works, but not when combined with pheromones? Does that mean if I do use this product, I should use it alone? I tried Liquid Trust about 1 1/2 years ago. The first bottle I received seemed to produce great results, When I ran out and purchased another bottle, the second bottle seemed to have no effects whatsoever. Both bottles were before the release of the Enhanced version, which now does contain pheromones. Their FAQ was not saying that Oxytocin does not work when combined with pheromones. But instead, was saying that pheromones were proven to ONLY work because they caused Oxytocin levels to increase in another person. I found it somewhat of a contradiction for them to now add Androsterone and Androstenone, and make the following statement: “But now two and a half years later, Grant and the team are introducing Liquid Trust Enhanced. It includes the hormone Oxytocin but also the pheromones of [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) and Androsterone, known for creating sexual vibes and increasing sexual tension. He explains how it ties together”. Some members have had great results with the originbal version of Liquid Trust, others saw little or no results at all. I saw both. The mixed results could be due to many factors, just as pheromones results vary from person to person. But, having purchased two bottles of the same product, one of which worked and the other did not, I believe that part of the reason it worked for some and not others, may have had to due with quality control issues. Regardless, personally I do not like the fact that they used to discount pheromones and say that they only worked because of Oxytocin, which was their ONLY product. Now they have added the same pheromones that they used to claim only worked because they raised the level of Oxytocin in the brain and have basically admitted that their original marketing claim was bullshit. If Androtics were to manufacture a synthesized Oxytocin, I would be sure to use it again. But, personlly I don’t think I’ll deal with Vero Labs again. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/4 "2007-12-23T18:19:11Z")
The new enhanced product is going to make it more dificult to determine if their “oxytocin” product is doing anything. We know the pheromones have behavioral effects, so with the enhanced products effects may be due to the pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![Dancing\_Joker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dancing_joker/32/1924_2.png) [@Dancing\_Joker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dancing_Joker)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/5 "2007-12-23T21:05:25Z")
I got the same email announcement from Vero Labs as well about Liquid Trust Enhanced. I was quite tickled and amused to see that they finally moved on to real pheromones 😛 As for whether Liquid Trust (assuming it really is oxytocin) works when mixed with pheromones, trust me (pardon the pun!) … it does 😃 Quite a few mixes that I have made incorporate Liquid Trust as a component, and it definitely has a noticeable effect. The problem with Vero Labs is that, as some people have commented, the consistency of effectiveness seems to vary too much from bottle to bottle. I’ve had some bottles have a barely satisfactory effect, and other bottles have an incredibly enhanced effect (all in the same batch). I’ve had to test individual bottles with reference mixes to determine whether the bottle was a “super” bottle or a “bland” bottle 😕 I’m curious to see what the ratios and concentrations are for the Liquid Trust Enhanced product … ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/6 "2007-12-23T22:27:18Z")
No, I didn’t say their FAQ said it didn’t work that way, I was asking you; Mark; because you said the first bottle you bought worked and the second bottle didn’t. Which is really rather weird; were you around different people? People of different gender? Or maybe it just didn’t show a noticeab;e effect because the people already felt comfortable around you from the product so they won’t get any more comfortable when the first bottle had already done it’s work. > [@](#): > > If Androtics were to manufacture a synthesized Oxytocin, I would be sure to use it again. But, personlly I don’t think I’ll deal with Vero Labs again. That’s going on principle, when you talk of how they discounted their original claims. And I do that too, I won’t visit the 7-11 here for that reason for example; high prices and the fact that they’ve lied to me. However, I cannot really afford to pick a company based on principle or company values right now. I need to use whatever will work and be cheapest. > [@](#): > > The problem with Vero Labs is that, as some people have commented, the consistency of effectiveness seems to vary too much from bottle to bottle. I’ve had some bottles have a barely satisfactory effect, and other bottles have an incredibly enhanced effect (all in the same batch). I’ve had to test individual bottles with reference mixes to determine whether the bottle was a “super” bottle or a “bland” bottle > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/images/smilies/confused.gif](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/lounge/images/smilies/confused.gif) > > I’m curious to see what the ratios and concentrations are for the Liquid Trust Enhanced product … From Mark’s post, I was thinking they may have changed their forumla before adding the pheromones. But that is really just extremely weird, either oxytocin doesn’t combine very well or Ver Labs can’t mix things 😕 😕 . Is there any other type of Oxytocin product around, and if so would you guys expect it to work? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vero-labs-gets-in-the-phero-game/7623/7 "2007-12-23T22:28:16Z")
My guess is they’re probably putting in somewhere around 2 mcg Androstenone per spray and maybe 5mcg Androsterone, if they are actually looking to produce a product that would work consistantly. At those levels users should be able to generate noticeable results, even with, as you called them, bland batches of Oxytocin. I remember that with my first bottle it took 3 to 4 sprays to generate noticeable results. But, I probably could have dumped the entire contents of the second bottle over my head, and not had any effect. I just found it really funny that after having said pheromones were proven only to work because of Oxytocin, they now choose to put them in Liquid Trust. 🙂 And, putting Androsterone in Liquid Trust is sort of a psuedo replacement, or at least the closest comparison to Oxytocin that I’m aware of. Maybe theve started to realize how inconsistantly their product performs and figure the pheromones will compensate for the bad batches. 🙂