# Very sexual mix to target an older 30-40 something german lady? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 16, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883 "2012-06-16T18:07:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/1 "2012-06-16T18:07:07Z")
Anys suggestions? I’ve been using IS AMMO around a german waitress and she is polite and friendly and even flirty but she won’t break beyond this barrier. Furthermore, our conversations at the restaurant are not sexual in any way. Just polite, a little flirty, and very genuine and caring. Wondering if IS AMMO doesn’t heat up older german women enough? Now i can continue to use IS/AMMO and try to ask her out but I’m afraid I may be in LJBF land real soon with her if I continue to talk to her with my SO around. Tuth doesn’t seem right in a restaurant. I haven’t even gone on a date with her, tuth might be overkill no? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/2 "2012-06-16T23:51:46Z")
Well if you want a sexual response I would go with TUTH. Older women are not intimidated by high anone. However and I don’t mean this personally about your situation just generally. Just because high anone “heats us up” doesn’t mean we want to be with the person wearing it. For women a lot more go’s into choosing a sexual partner then sexual attraction even for one nighters. For TUTH or any anone product to increase sexual attraction there has to be some sexual attraction to begin with. This german women for instance is just being polite and doing her job. When you waitress you kinda get good at recognizing the wants and needs of the customers and know how to feed that need. You get really good at reading people. You know who wants to be left alone, who needs more attention, who likes to chat, who likes to flirt and you react accordingly so they have a satisfying dining experience and leave you a nice tip. Its the same with strip club girls,… (not saying you go there I know your talking waitresses) … they don’t dance with or for patrons because they are attracted to them, they dance with the ones they sense will be interested and most willing to give up the cash. That is there job. These venues are tough places to pick up women unless your going for the other patrons. The waitresses, dancers, strippers etc etc are just doing there jobs so its much harder to judge if the interest is genuine. I have done my fair share of waitressing in my life and been hit on by all sorts and we know it just comes with the territory. This is not to say you shouldnt try with the waitress. There are those rare exceptions when they do date patrons. Just be sure to see it for what it is and dont judge your [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) mix by her willingness or unwillingness to move beyond flirting with you Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/3 "2012-06-16T23:55:58Z")
I see Tisha… are you implying any woman in sales or service whose interaction is pleasant because the job requires is, is harder to catch than women in other fields? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/4 "2012-06-17T00:25:46Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I see Tisha… are you implying any woman in sales or service whose interaction is pleasant because the job requires is, is harder to catch than women in other fields? Not harder to catch, its harder to judge there true feelings and intentions. Its the same with men in sales. Waiters do the same thing not because they are into the person or even find them attractive, they do it because that is what they are trained to do if they want to make the sale. We want you to come back and its our job to make you happy so you do. If that means flirting then so be it. So a waiter or a waitress can be sending all the right signals but that doesn’t mean they want to be with the person or they are genuine in there interest beyond friendship and kindness. Its not just that profession either. Sometimes at the PO when delivery is slow I will help my best friend Mare at the window. There are certain guys that come in frequently because they have a crush on her. Soon as she see’s them coming in the door she will groan roll her eyes and say “Jeez here comes Mr so and so”. Now that doesn’t mean she is not going to be nice to him. She will smile, chat and flirt back because thats part of her job. Making his experience pleasant so he returns. The men clerks do the exact same thing when the women come in and fawn over them. Its not like they are hard to catch outside of the work environment. Its just while your working its not something you take serious. Same thing with my job, I deliver mail but it is a service. Men flirt with me all the time. My job is to leave them happy with a pleasant feeling about the postal service. Its not just to deliver the mail. So I talk to them and I am polite and I may even flirt back but that doesn’t mean I am sexually attracted to them. Musicians do the same thing, they are selling themselves. They may flirt with people but that doesn’t mean they want to be with them. They want that person to come back and hear them again. So I am not saying they are harder to catch in general. They are just harder to read while doing there jobs. I am not saying dont try or they would never be interested in a patron, just to keep it in mind and dont determine how your mix is working from the service persons reaction. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/5 "2012-06-17T08:32:12Z")
How old are you, D? I ‘THINK’ you SHOULD shove in the TUTH, and wait it out. The young have a hard time waiting and letting things unfold, but I ‘THINK’ when you’re dealing with more a mature woman, should her thinking of you clicks over to something SEXUAL, SHE WILL LET YOU KNOW. 😉 A little IH may help speed things up, IF there are things in her head already. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/6 "2012-06-17T08:53:07Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well if you want a sexual response I would go with TUTH. Older women are not intimidated by high anone. Yes - and if my fairly extensive experience of German women (Lived there, worked there, and still visit/do a little work quite often!) is anything to go by, they are amongst the least sexually intimidated/most uninhibited of any nationality. They tend to go from very formal and apparently reserved to up-front sexual in no time flat. I think it may be partly a language thing? Dsouza - This one is crying out for A314/TUTH. Keep the TUTH fairly low so it steers the A314 in a high-status/sexual direction and do try to get to see her out of work as soon as you can. 🙂 You could also steer/socialise this mix further with IH, IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) or P114 but I’m still inclined to suggest you stick to the no-nonsense sig of A314/TUTH. At least you will find which way her interest is going quickly because as Tisha suggests, she could just be in a professional “flirting” mode rather than general interest, although IME, Northen EU women are a bit less prone to this behaviour than Southern/US. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/7 "2012-06-17T23:20:55Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - and if my fairly extensive experience of German women (Lived there, worked there, and still visit/do a little work quite often!) is anything to go by, they are amongst the least sexually intimidated/most uninhibited of any nationality. They tend to go from very formal and apparently reserved to up-front sexual in no time flat. I think it may be partly a language thing? > > Dsouza - This one is crying out for A314/TUTH. Keep the TUTH fairly low so it steers the A314 in a high-status/sexual direction and do try to get to see her out of work as soon as you can. 🙂 > > You could also steer/socialise this mix further with IH, IH/P74 or P114 but I’m still inclined to suggest you stick to the no-nonsense sig of A314/TUTH. At least you will find which way her interest is going quickly because as Tisha suggests, she could just be in a professional “flirting” mode rather than general interest, although IME, Northen EU women are a bit less prone to this behaviour than Southern/US. She’s half german. Older 30-40’s. When I wore A314 around her before she looked kinda angry. She is a Swiss Chalet waitress and there is no high status vibe going on in that restaurant. It is a family restaurant with 80% low status people visiting, older people, people who can’t afford expensive meals (20-30$ for 2 people is the norm). I know IS tuth may be a good combo… Not too sure of A314 in there given how she’s reacted to it before. Does anyone here recommend i keep in some ammo in the mix or should I drop it out completely? [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) has given me nothing but more attention from her but that is all.. Nothing sexual.. i want to turn up the heat guys 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/8 "2012-06-18T01:41:41Z")
I would leave off the Ammo and A314. You already know she didnt care for A314. Tuth has sufficient anone in it. Go with TUTH and buffer with IH and P74 as suggested by Mobo. Add a tiny bit of TAF if you have it. Now I would switch out the P74 for P83 but I recall you had some trouble with self effects with that one. It would be perfect, it would lower her inhibitions and sort of propel the sexual feelings forward. I would have other suggestion but I dont know what you have and some of the ones I would suggest are no longer available in the store. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/9 "2012-06-18T05:43:07Z")
OK - if she’s shown negative responses to A314, then yes go for a more social/friendly mix. Have you any P114? That would be a still sociable but less just-friendly alternative to [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/). ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/10 "2012-06-19T04:26:04Z")
😮 > [@tisha23](#): > > I would leave off the Ammo and A314. You already know she didnt care for A314. Tuth has sufficient anone in it. > > Go with TUTH and buffer with IH and P74 as suggested by Mobo. Add a tiny bit of TAF if you have it. Now I would switch out the P74 for P83 but I recall you had some trouble with self effects with that one. It would be perfect, it would lower her inhibitions and sort of propel the sexual feelings forward. > > I would have other suggestion but I dont know what you have and some of the ones I would suggest are no longer available in the store. > > Tisha I have p83 but don’t know if it’ll backfire on me like it did once before. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) has caused some very negative self effects on me and I’m very prone to self effects from mones. I tell myself act yourself dont’ be effected but it has no effect. When mones self effects hit its like krytonite for me.. I’m powerless. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/11 "2012-06-19T13:52:41Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > 😮 > > I have p83 but don’t know if it’ll backfire on me like it did once before. > > P83 has caused some very negative self effects on me and I’m very prone to self effects from mones. I tell myself act yourself dont’ be effected but it has no effect. When mones self effects hit its like krytonite for me.. I’m powerless. Yes I remember you had problems with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) which is why I said go with Mobo’s suggestion of p74. I mentioned it as a option so you could decide yourself if it was something you wanted to try. Have you tried spraying to the back of your body with the mones that dont agree with you ? Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/very-sexual-mix-to-target-an-older-30-40-something-german-lady/55883/12 "2012-06-19T16:32:54Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Yes I remember you had problems with P83 which is why I said go with Mobo’s suggestion of p74. I mentioned it as a option so you could decide yourself if it was something you wanted to try. > > Have you tried spraying to the back of your body with the mones that dont agree with you ? > > Tisha Tisha, I don’t have P74. I have p83 and have not tried spraying to back of my body. It’s worth a shot. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) has caused SERIOUS problems for me though.. Why fix what isn’t broken? There’s something in it that really screws up my mind and thinking and behavior. This waitress is kinda light hearted and friendly so she does well with IS.. I think IS , Tuth, (and P83?) might be effective, just that if she starts kino’ing me suddenly on the shoulders etc I wonder if I should respond back or let her keep coming on stronger with each meeting. She’s made it pretty clear that shes taken because now I see a ring on her finger whereas before there was none. She has not VERBALLY told me she’s taken though. I also notice that she is getting to know my SO more and calling her sweet etc.. But she’s never asked if that is my girlfriend, wife, etc or told me if she has a boyfriend.. So far nada. Tommorrow night I’ll try some tuth, IS, and forget the p83. I’ll also put on 3 sprays of ARMANI Acqu Di Gio, a fragrance I just bought. The good news is people here say older german women can be less intimidated , and more unrestrained sexually. That’s means I can leave it in her hands to show signs of first bite if you know what I mean. I have given her the go ahead by making talk with her. I have gone out of my way joking with her more than most customers ever will.. I even ordered a beer and told her I’m going to test your service on this one.. I’m gonna see if you poured it right.. After taking the taste test I paused , looked serious, then later told her she made it perfectly. I also leave her 20% tips. I leave my table completely clean when I’m done. I’m doing everything but asking for her number because I can’t since I’m with my SO. Now its in her hands. I need to see INTEREST from her or I won’t even bother investing any more in this interaction and approach someone else.