# Viagra equivalent? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 24, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459 "2014-03-24T03:28:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/1 "2014-03-24T03:28:35Z")
I need something that will either make him hard again really fast or prevent his orgasm so that he can last longer. Anyone notice anything like this? Help a sexually frustrated sister out. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 3:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/2 "2014-03-24T03:42:57Z")
Maybe P78. You could wear it. > [@P78 field test report (or just get some)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p78-field-test-report-or-just-get-some/49685/8): > > I wouldn’t say that P78 is a opening molecule or a direct attraction molecule like [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)… It need a little time to take action, but after that… Guys, I am the only one who think this stuff is incredible sexual? Deeper as none? Sensual, physical, emotional and pure passion, respectively orgasm like…? The effects on me are like that, hardly unbearable and every girl looks nicer, hotter, hornier… But, and that’s the interesting part, I see women who react like that, instant orgasm reaction, or don’t … JH’s fx generally are pretty close to my own tests (P75, P102, etc.). I have to dial back some of these (P75) or else I’m pitching a tent three hours a day. Whether they do or don’t affect androgen levels is moot in the context of direct observations. ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/3 "2014-03-24T03:56:08Z")
I can’t thank you enough! ---
**Author:** ![Styr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/styr/32/5195_2.png) [@Styr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Styr)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/4 "2014-03-24T12:53:46Z")
Perhaps you should try TAC. 🙂 > [@Does TAC Really Intesify Orgasms?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-tac-really-intesify-orgasms/189943): > > As some of you may or may not know TAC is a relaxant phero, and is known to help buffer androstenone and also provide a soothing atmosphere. However, the OTHER benefit of TAC is that it reportedly causes females to orgasm easier while also greatly intensifying the orgasm. Unfortunately, I’ve yet to test this properly frowning but I’m sure some of you here might have. So here’s the question, have you tried TAC in your mixes and if so, did it have any effect? Oh and here’s a thread if you wan… ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/5 "2014-03-24T14:40:33Z")
Hire old its t the guy? Maybe a blood test would be an option. Also there’s a supplement called alpha gpc that’s supposed to increase libido. ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/6 "2014-03-24T22:26:30Z")
It’s not just one guy _hides face_- they range 24-35 and they just cum fast and are too tired to go again. (I know- real fucking winners in this town) I need a marathon man (or men 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andromun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/andromun/32/365_2.png) [@andromun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andromun)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/7 "2014-03-24T22:49:12Z")
Oh damn…luckily I’m a sexual tyrannosaurus 😉 If you need your man to get hard fast and last longer, mones won’t do shit. He can however look into alternatives to viagra (like chinese herbs) from [Poerkan.com](http://Poerkan.com) really good stuff and they ship all over and they are 100% legit. If he’s over 30 guys will experience a drop in their t-levels thus a drop in libido. He may want to also look into magnesium and zinc supplementation since they are proven test boosters. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/8 "2014-03-24T23:20:59Z")
> [@LadyScientist](#): > > It’s not just one guy _hides face_- they range 24-35 and they just cum fast and are too tired to go again. (I know- real fucking winners in this town) I need a marathon man (or men 😉 Don’t be mad at the guys, be proud of your V.J.J. 😛 When its really good there’s nothing we can do about it. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/9 "2014-03-25T04:15:29Z")
Just a tip: encourage honest communication with your “stud” & have him tell you when he’s about to blow. Then firmly grasp his johnson at the base & maintain the squeezing until his sensation to cum passes. Repeat this throughout the session as needed. After several sessions together you will “train” his ejaculatory response to be more under his own control. You can also flick his head with your forefinger which can result in his partially losing his erection, avoiding ejaculation. Rinse & repeat 😉 The key to these techniques is the stud-in-progress actually communicating his feelings to you so you both can more effectively deal with premature ejaculation. I agree, mones wont solve this problem, but I’d love to be proven wrong. AD could market that mix as “Love U Long Time”… ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/10 "2014-03-25T07:32:55Z")
> [@p78 turns me on!!!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p78-turns-me-on/31333): > > I can’t speak for the rest of the male population but, I - as a male - get turned on by p78. I thought I’d post this thread here in the Women’s section because it might be a molecule you ladies want to start adding to your mixes, if you aren’t doing already. wink Okay so it’s not an out and out sexual like Copulins may be (I can’t compare because I haven’t knowingly being exposed to them) but it is sexual none the less. In fact it’s better than sexual - it’s both sexual and sensual. I’d say i… So says me also. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/11 "2014-03-25T12:43:43Z")
pheros: TAC made me less agressive / tired, but extended things [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) makes me aggressive and responsive, but makes it faster. supps: 1 ts or more of L-Citrulline powder mixed in water + a few tabs of epimedium (two in the morning, 3 before activity) I will walk around with an L-citrulline spiked water bottle sipping for a few hours before hand. It tastes the same. “L-citrulline escapes presystemic metabolism and is converted to L-arginine, thus setting the rationale for oral L-citrulline supplementation as a donor for the L-arginine/nitric oxide pathway of penile erection.” a phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitor (such as Viagra) only works so long as the L-arginine/nitric oxide pathway is not exhausted. You keep popping blue pills, you will exhaust the pathway. Or it might already be, hence blue pill doesn’t work so well. You might think you need to supplement L-arginine/nitric oxide, but that does not escape presystemic metabolism in the gut that converts it to other things. And you probably don’t want to put a needle into a penis. Luckily, L-Citrulline escapes presystemic metabolism, and it disolves in spring water. As far as PDE-5 inhibitors go, I like epimedium because it works by multiple pathways, rather than Viagra works by only one pathway. You just need to take a bit more since it has a lower affinity. If you find it easier, buy bulk epimedium and make a tea cold-brew in the fridge, and dissolve the L-citrulline in it. Just say it’s iced tea. I’ve thought about making an extra special long island iced tea out of this… 1,000 mg - acetyl-l-carnitine (ALCAR) helps, way more than regular l-carnitine. 1-2 acetyl l tyrosine 300 mg things will get Really Good, but he might get afib and need to get shocked back to normal… I’ve been fine so far at 1/4 to 1/2 a tab. It does something to block stress reactions? start by getting magnesium and potassium levels up. Try salt substitute (potassium chloride) getting vit D3 to the tolerable upper limit (have doc run tests) > **[Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21729132/)** > **[Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21195829/)** > **[Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15072869/)** > **[Checking your browser - reCAPTCHA](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16286128/)** other weird things that helped - holy basil (aka. Tulsi, or Ocimum sanctum) extract (calm stamina, if you take a lot). Choline tabs (responsiveness). ginkgo (blood flow). ashwagandha (calming, stamina). volume - pygeum. lecithin (lecithin is usually from soy which is bad for test levels, but you can also get lecithin from egg yolks). Soy lecithin has a ton of Choline, but Choline bitrate doesn’t have a lot of other things in soy or egg lecithin. If you don’t mind smelling terrible a bunch of onion powder or onion juice was extremely effective. Ditto for ginger powder, but the amount required was equally intolerable. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/12 "2014-03-25T17:30:59Z")
Potency = [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) Libido = Copulins, maybe also Potency I would try both. Erotic = P78 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/13 "2014-03-25T17:38:14Z")
> [@lwatkins](#): > > P75 makes me aggressive and responsive, **but makes it faster.** Faster, interesting, in return maybe oftener/faster recovery? ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/14 "2014-03-25T17:38:42Z")
TAA … touches feel more intense [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) .. not erotic **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/15 "2014-03-26T05:18:29Z")
> [@lwatkins](#): > > pheros: > > TAC made me less agressive / tired, but extended things > P75 makes me aggressive and responsive, but makes it faster. Yes. Some references to “depleted neurotransmitters” are probably a misnomer. Think downregulation, i.e. tachyphylaxis/tolerance. If your acteylcholine is actually depleted, I think you’d die of paralytic respiratory failure. [Pancuronium bromide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancuronium_bromide) I think some of these are acting upon M3. [Parasympathetic nervous system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasympathetic_nervous_system#Receptors) However, assume TAC is a non-selective antocholinergic. Assume actetylchoine is the parasympathetic agonist ligand. TAC would produce less secretions (female) and lead to other, non-identical functions in the male. If 75 is a cholingergic on skeletal facial muscle (e.g. nose twitching), I’m not sure how to interpret that. However, these are demonstrable clinical signs (as is pupil dilation). [Parasympathetic nervous system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasympathetic_nervous_system#Pelvic_splanchnic_control) Nevertheless, getting on the path to hard answers (even male and female enhancement formulas that work consistently) is a challenging possibility. TAC is not new. Progress requires a more advanced and systematic investigation. ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/16 "2014-03-26T17:04:27Z")
> [@lwatkins](#): > > pheros: > > TAC made me less agressive / tired, but extended things > P75 makes me aggressive and responsive, but makes it faster. > > supps: > > As far as PDE-5 inhibitors go, I like epimedium because it works by multiple pathways, rather than Viagra works by only one pathway. You just need to take a bit more since it has a lower affinity. > If you find it easier, buy bulk epimedium and make a tea cold-brew in the fridge, and dissolve the L-citrulline in it. > Just say it’s iced tea. I’ve thought about making an extra special long island iced tea out of this… > > 1,000 mg - acetyl-l-carnitine (ALCAR) helps, way more than regular l-carnitine. Omg I love you and this forum. I have always wanted to secretly spike a boy’s drink with something like this!! and no, before anyone judges me about roofies, a conscience horny person can still make their own decisions. Thanks! Can’t wait to look into those articles and try this out! ---
**Author:** ![LadyScientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@LadyScientist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LadyScientist)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/17 "2014-03-26T18:17:31Z")
> [@lwatkins](#): > > If you find it easier, buy bulk epimedium and make a tea cold-brew in the fridge, and dissolve the L-citrulline in it. > Just say it’s iced tea. I’ve thought about making an extra special long island iced tea out of this… omg I love you and this forum! I have always wanted to spike a boy’s drink with something like this! and no, before anyone judges me, a horny conscience man can still make his own decisions. Thanks for the suggestions! also, Roy Dillon I love how mature and honest your posts are. (and yes for the record, I have tried squeezing the base- but honestly- 9/10 the second I let go- so does he) Re Monesmademedoit- pupil dilation is not as simple as parasympathetic blocker- it can also be sympathetic agonist and changes in emotion. (just wanted to clarify- I’m sure he knows this already) ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/18 "2014-03-27T20:50:23Z")
I know guys aren’t big on condoms (pun?), but, hey, I’m not big on herpes either! There’s the benzocaine ones. There’s also an approved or off-labeled Rx for “prematurity.” A closer look at the pharmacology of the latter should be helpful. On some of the male mones, I need maybe a 15-minute recharge (technically called refractory period). In my pre-mones era, one woman wore me out. It was an honorable sacrifice. [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/), daily use, is boner in a bottle. All day, every day. Back before we caught wise to P75, some women did test 10 mcg! A few really liked it. Go ahead a wear 2.5 mcg yourself. Also, I think if you wear nanograms of -eNone, you may indeed get a kick out of it. Thanks for the deliciously sexy erotic preversions, LadyS. I am a registered orgasm donor, BTW. I took me some practice to learn the whole intercourse-G-Spot deal, but, yeah, it was worth it. ---
**Author:** ![flacowww](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@flacowww](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flacowww)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/viagra-equivalent/61459/19 "2014-04-09T23:13:09Z")
Feed him watermelon smoothies everyday. Watermelons have an ingredient called citrulline it acts like a natural viagra it’s also high in cucumbers but not as much I drink two or more watermelon drinks a day real simple just ice watermelon and whatever liquid base I prefer lemonade or pineapple juice or a mix of both because pineapple Also makes you well erm taste better wink wink.