# VNO and the common cold. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 19, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114 "2007-02-19T15:22:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dma](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dma/32/1459_2.png) [@dma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dma)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/1 "2007-02-19T15:22:55Z")
I tried using the search function, so forgive me if this was covered elsewhere – I couldn’t find it. Do 'nones work on a target with a cold? I’ve seen several different discussions that go down the path of 'I don’t like the smell of (insert product name) but (the opposite sex) seems to have a different reaction to **the smell**. The question is – is it the smell – or is it triggering something else that is absorbed by the VNO, that is still active when someone is stuffed up? Anyone had experience with this? ---
**Author:** ![Pharcyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Pharcyde](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pharcyde)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/2 "2007-02-19T17:42:29Z")
first of all, theres no scientific proof that the vno in humans is still functional. also, its not even known how the brain converts chemical stimuli (taste or smell) into sensations. that said, id assume the only factor is the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) reaching the activation site. so as long as air can get through to the vno, or where ever theyre senced, they should work. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/3 "2007-02-19T17:48:15Z")
This has been discussed a lot on the Love-Scent forum and here as well, I believe. I don’t think there’s a definitive (scientifically verified) answer, though everyone has their theories. Seems to me that pheromones need to be received somehow, whether it’s the normal olfactory route or VNO (according to some experts, notably JV Kohl, the VNO is not necessary for pheromones to have their effects). If the nose is so congested that air isn’t passing through it normally, I don’t see how you can expect pheromones to have an effect. and then there’s the fact that when you’re ill you don’t feel that sexy anyway … ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/4 "2007-02-19T18:20:19Z")
The problem is much early [pheromone research](https://pheromonelabs.com/) was conducted on rodents and extended to humans. Unlike lower mammals such as rats, the lastest research seems to indicate the human VNO lacks a nerve pathway to the brain and is nonfunctional. Like Carrie said, the normal olfactory system–your snout–is used for reception of pheromones. Personally I’d avoid a “target” with a cold. Not attractive at all and, besides, you might catch it. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/5 "2007-02-20T00:09:06Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > \… Unlike lower mammals such as rats, the lastest research seems to indicate the human VNO lacks a _ **direct** _ nerve pathway to the brain and is nonfunctional. Like Carrie said, the normal olfactory system–your snout–is _ **likely the primary channel** _ used for reception of pheromones. **(text in blue is added)** There is still some possibility that the activity of vomeral message molecules is via some indirect system using other nervous system paths. Also, no one has definitively ruled out pheromonal action by means other than olfactory sensors: skin contact, taste buds etc. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/6 "2007-02-20T00:34:46Z")
Of course there is. However, evidence of a fully functional human VNO is becoming increasingly frail. Nevertheless it’s all a moot point to most end users. I don’t give rat’s tail if we draw in pheromones through our arses or tear ducts. All I care about is the dad burn [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) work for me. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/7 "2007-02-23T00:33:57Z")
I’ve noticed this: I don’t seem to get the same “effects on self” as some others have reported like with Shine. I’m not entirely certain [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) have much of an effect on me personally at all (but there _may_ be…). Jury is still out. Now here’s the thing. I have a pretty constant case of stuffy sinuses. Not sure why. Doesn’t seem to be an allergy as it’s 24/7/365 no matter where I am, what I do, what I eat, etc. Sometimes the only way I can get “free breathing” is through my mouth. I _can_ detect odors/smells and am actually somewhat sensitive to some. But is there a possibility that whatever triggers reactions to pheromones is somehow blocked in my nasal passages? (Assuming that is where the receptors are.) When I can find the money I’m planning a visit to an Ear/Nose/Throat specialist to see if they can find something, but in the meantime… ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/8 "2007-02-24T21:01:12Z")
Sounds like you may have really bad environmental allergies, or perhaps a deviated septum? ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 4:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/9 "2007-02-25T04:13:33Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > I have a pretty constant case of stuffy sinuses. Not sure why. Doesn’t seem to be an allergy as it’s 24/7/365 no matter where I am, what I do, what I eat, etc. Sometimes the only way I can get “free breathing” is through my mouth. I _can_ detect odors/smells and am actually somewhat sensitive to some. I second LaurieNY. If is a true allergy, quercetin + vitamin C might help… but there are other kinds of environmental sensitivities that are not true allergies. You might look into provocation-neutralisation vaccination, but that’s not cheap or so straightforward a solution. You might also have a google round on various kinds of bacteria that like to colonise the sinuses - long time since I looked at it, but I think one of them is coagulase negative staph so that might lead you to some of the relevant sites. > [@](#): > > But is there a possibility that whatever triggers reactions to pheromones is somehow blocked in my nasal passages? (Assuming that is where the receptors are.) This, I don’t know but would guess yes. ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vno-and-the-common-cold/2114/10 "2007-02-25T15:54:56Z")
Not sure if problem is allergy as there are no other “common” allergy symptoms like sneezing, watery eyes, etc. Do have headaches and occasional drippy nose. Feel some pressure in sinuses (especially around eyes) almost all the time. One other aside is that when I got sick a few years ago thanks to my infected gall bladder I spent a 5 days in hospital on IV antibiotics. Many skin problems (sores): gone. A bleeding gums problem: gone. Some other problems: gone. Sometimes “Western medicine” does work…