# Vocal training: a site with free lessons for a better speaking voice **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [April 24, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739 "2008-04-24T00:22:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/1 "2008-04-24T00:22:47Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/f/fd2a879dcfd9446295121251cc52ece84b3a83a1.jpeg "\*New Voice Lessons\* - The Arceneaux Approach 2.0 is here!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7w6GFsY6CE) This guy has a bunch of useful free lessons (helpful even if you just want to improve your speaking voice). From a quick look he seems to know what he is doing. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/2 "2008-04-24T10:07:42Z")
Sweet! PheroQuirk, you’re the man! You always show up with interesting links. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 11:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/3 "2008-04-24T11:38:39Z")
worth reading surfs\_up posts on vocal training up at the other place. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/4 "2008-04-24T13:03:57Z")
Thanks PheroQuirk, I haven’t ever been the other place to tell you the truth. I’ll check it out. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/5 "2008-04-24T13:15:57Z")
Uhm, PheroQuirk clean out your inbox, you can’t accept anymore PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Luxferre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f6c823/32.png) [@Luxferre](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luxferre)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/6 "2008-04-25T05:20:29Z")
wow, right when I was thinking of getting a vocal coach! 😛 awesome! time to download!!! _brings fingers together_eeeeexcellent… lol Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/7 "2008-04-25T12:34:15Z")
Another nice find, thanks PQ! ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/8 "2008-06-01T15:03:18Z")
Formula ‘secret of perfect voice’ The perfect voice would have elements of Dame Judi Dench Researchers say they have worked out a mathematical formula to find the perfect human voice. The study, commissioned by Post Office Telecoms, asked people to rate 50 voices then analysed the results. It found the best female voice to be a mixture of Mariella Frostrup, Dame Judi Dench and Honor Blackman. Alan Rickman and Jeremy Irons did best for the men. The research was conducted by linguist Andrew Linn, of Sheffield University, and sound engineer Shannon Harris. The pair worked out their formula based on the combination of tone, speed, frequency, words per minute and intonation. They concluded the ideal voice should utter no more than 164 words per minute and pause for 0.48 seconds between sentences. Sentences themselves should fall rather than rise in intonation. Vocal traits associated with positive characteristics, such as confidence and trust, scored highly with listeners. This formula gives us an exciting glimpse into the way voices work and what makes them appealing or repelling Professor Andrew Linn Professor Linn said: "As humans we instinctively know which voices send shivers down our spine and which make us shudder with disgust. “The emotional responses panellists had to the voices were surprising and go some way to explaining how voiceover artists or radio DJs are selected, or why particular celebrity voices appeal.” He said most men found presenter Mariella Frostrup’s voice “mesmerising” because it was deep, slow and confident. Actor Jeremy Irons came very close to the ideal voice model, speaking at 200 words per minute and pausing for 1.2 seconds between sentences. Professor Linn said this explained why his “deep gravelly tones” inspired trust in listeners. He said: “This formula gives us an exciting glimpse into the way voices work and what makes them appealing or repelling.” The formula showed the BBC’s Jonathan Ross, on the other hand, spoke too quickly, with very short pauses between sentences. The researchers said the presenter’s varied range of voice, with frequent highs and lows was associated with expressiveness and intelligence. But his rising intonation was usually linked with someone weak or unsure. ---
**Author:** ![bedojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bedojo/32/1027_2.png) [@bedojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bedojo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/9 "2009-05-20T17:22:14Z")
thanks! great find ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/vocal-training-a-site-with-free-lessons-for-a-better-speaking-voice/11739/10 "2009-05-23T19:35:44Z")
> [@Where did you "Get Game" From?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-did-you-get-game-from/119): > > Hey guys, As you may have heard us say before: [Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) + Action = Power And lots of it (power, that is). It’s action, of course, that’s requires wisdom and knowledge to back it up. That’s why I’d like to partner with the top two or three dating & “pick up” educators, much as we’re working on partnering with the top two or three guys in the realm of general persuasion. That’s why I’m wondering – which PUAs (“Pick Up Artists”) do you really like? It’s been awhile since I’ve reviewed the m… > [@Where did you "Get Game" From?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-did-you-get-game-from/119/2): > > You wouldn’t think this first crack off the bat. I think I’ve had my best results from two things, a lot of vocal TRAINING, not listening to CDs or reading books, but working with a good teacher… even my ex-wife says she hardly recognizes me on the phone and she likes the improvement… more unexpected, instead of a deeper, gravelly voice it gave me a more youthful, fresher voice like a younger guy… a lot of guys mess up by trying to sound deep and rich and then sound like hung over oafs. I’ve heard so many “masters” with self defeating verbal tics and tonal problems, four highly regarded NLP “masters”, or self promoted as such, and you’re thinking, WHO is going to take these guys (and gals) seriously ? There will forever be a glass ceiling over their heads when it comes to whatever they’re pitching… > > The second thing is high level of body awareness, I do a ton of Alexander technique and associated body consciousness activities, all the time, when I’m up, down, depressed, tuned up, I keep on working the motor neurons… many, many people today have poor body/spatial/situational awareness, they’re kind of mindlessly trundling along like they’re on a conveyor belt or something, or sitting there imploded in their personal mind space, like their sphere of consciousness is about the size of a ping pong ball… the thing is that people with high level body awareness are interesting, even captivating to watch, even their simple movements are kind of poetic and absorbing… > > I say these two girls walking down the beach in their sexy bikinis, one was more outwardly beautiful but her posture was somewhat stiff and artificial, and the second girl wasn’t so visually excellent but she moved with an animal vitality that was such a turn on. Pretty soon I wasn’t even aware of the first girl… > > There is a hard to describe thing, the congruity of the body, the voice, the thought processes, the clothing that all merge into a coherent expression of someone, it is essential that everything makes sense in terms of the whole self-system.. Which comes from early '06 and relates to the recent mid '09 thread; > [@Iiiij and colleagues on posture: the neck, and the similarity to tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/posture/28914): > > iiiij (and colleagues) on posture. when he talks about the importance of the neck, note the similarity in emphasis to tacitus… [mASF Discussion Forum on Fast Seduction 101](http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=93186&fid=173) Which in turn was drawn from a link to; [mASF Discussion Forum on Fast Seduction 101](http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=93186&fid=173) It seems that vocal training and all kinds of bodywork are related. As part of my understanding of design and creativity, I have long believed that style and grace created a sense of beauty far beyond form and function. Style being not fashion, but the manner in which something is done and, grace as an effortlessly balanced expression of proportion. All of which would be encompassed in the dynamics of sounds and movement. In another related and very interesting thread; > [@A woman's ability to enjoy sex shows up in her gait](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-womans-ability-to-enjoy-sex-shows-up-in-her-gait/18960): > > [FuturePundit: Orgasmic Women Walk Differently](http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005511.html) open_mouth PheroQuirk quoted: “Jack Lemon in full drag, marvels at Marilyn Monroe as she wiggles her way through a train station. He exclaims that she is like “jello on springs”” Now if I could just remember where I read that prolonged intonation of very low frequencies increased testosterone levels … Which reminds me, I’ve been meaning to get a digeridoo. I think I’m going to go do that. See ya! OoohYahhh BTW: I could not find the train station scene from Some Like It Hot. So y’all just going to have to settle for this.