# Von Phero On The Run -- A Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 9:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818 "2014-09-14T09:24:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/21 "2014-09-18T19:25:12Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > Suggest me an ex girlfriend mix? Would mx297 be bad idea here? I was thinking a314 or mx297 + attractant + molecule C (reason i say molecule C is because she is normally quite insecure and finds it impossible to relax?. she also has a hard time coming as well as needs to be dominated, so alpha plus relaxing buffer is what she needs i think. If you want non-serious, no strings/caught in the moment/“I didn’t see you like this before,” fun, go for the [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and a whack of Attractant. If you want to present the high-value, quality, partner material vibe, go for the A314. However, if she has issues with relaxation, it might lean your choice more to the MX297 - its great for that, and it can also do very well around people with anxiety issues who would otherwise be wound-up/cowed by a more heavy going A314 signature. 🙂 Also, how old is she and what other choices is she facing in life - IME there can be very little point and even a great disadvantage in presenting a serious/solid, relationship or bonding vibe to someone who is not emotionally in a place in her life to respond to it positively. In those situations, a more easygoing/fun signature - and don’t get your hopes-up too high can be a lot more productive. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/22 "2014-09-18T20:34:30Z")
ok great, she’s 27, caucasion, indecisive with GIGS syndrome… I was just recommended by nick on ad website to do 2 x ig 2 x mx297 1 x IS 1 x molecule c i’ll have to try the dab technique Joe! great info still undecided…… haven’t even tested ig or io yet… ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/23 "2014-09-18T21:34:56Z")
is it possible to get hit and miss responses with the same person using androstenone? as this is the only [pheromone](https://a314.com/) i have exposed her to in the past.. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/24 "2014-09-18T22:02:34Z")
Yes it can - Androstenone’s effectiveness is highly dependent on mood and situation. Use it when she’s feeling happy and uninhibited - great but it can go completely the other way if she’s down, busy, not horny or even on her period - god help you then! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/25 "2014-09-18T22:18:20Z")
she was very irritable leading up to break up and i was regularly using androstenone only. I’m not trying to blame it on pheromones just trying to understand how to use them more effectively.. I just don’t want to gamble or experiment with someone that i care about and freak them out with a crazy pheromone signature. I just found an old thread sayin if you mix IG with MX297 u can be viewed as a tosser so I’m not going to do that… ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/26 "2014-09-18T22:24:10Z")
That is the problem. I would blame it mainly on the pheromone. You see this same thing happened with me when I was starting out. I tend to butt heads with a few people because even though it worked for me in the beginning, I believe None doesn’t wash off so easily so you have a case of built up. Meaning, you overdosed on Androstenone time and time again, and I believe that is the reason for her not “keeping up with you”, and you intimidating her to death. IG is the perfect blend to reverse it. My suggestion stands, Avoid None or use the dapping method I told you but you need to dose what I told you to a tee. Von, I only give you suggestions based on what I experienced and in a way I can relate to you being the same age, and was in the same situation before. Leave the MX297 out of it and don’t be paranoid(it happened to me too, not about pheromones, but about winning someone back and doing whatever means necessary). There is no guarantee that she wants you back regardless of what pheromone you use, but they can help if she has any feelings left for you. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/27 "2014-09-18T23:09:53Z")
thanks joe thats some great advice. I think i’m going to stop using none then for now and switch to IG i’ll follow your recipe as i don’t want to use a lot of ammo and might save the mx297 for later.. so 2 x IG 1 x IS 1 x IO 1 x dab of ammo thanks ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2014, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/28 "2014-09-19T04:26:33Z")
Personally, I’d avoid using IG and [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) in thsame mix - IME 297 does not go at all well with Androsterone. The amount in Ammo is tolerable but the proportion in IG is approx 5x more and seriously confuses the 297. Use one or the other instead. Otherwise, MX297 or IO will help steer the None in a more social/engaging/fun direction that will help soften it and be less problematic. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/29 "2014-09-19T18:46:44Z")
just realised my deodorant smells quite similar to ammo, i could probably get away with a spray to the chest of it for a combo of two IG and one ammo. I want to see if she reacts better to Rone than None ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/30 "2014-09-19T23:40:51Z")
i’m going to use that mix joe thanks ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 10:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/31 "2014-09-23T10:50:48Z")
so the mix worked quite well in the sense we spent the most of the evening building good rapport together. But i left to go out for the night as i felt she was just using me to move her furniture around and went out to some bars. This mix was getting me attention, but i wasn’t getting great levels of attraction. I saw her the next morning when picking up some more stuff but i broke down, couldn’t pretend to be strong anymore. I said something along the lines of one day someone will break your heart and you will know how i feel. Sadness came across her she had to go lie down. At that point i took a long hug and left. There was a small part of me thinking that i could get over her but since we last met i don’t see how i could lose the most important person of my life. We just never seemed to solve our differences. I am seriously depressed.. sorry i don’t have a pheromones got my ex back story but never expected that anyway.. I was using them when i first met her and quickly stopped using then after a year when i was where i wanted to be. I then totally forgot about pheromones as i felt i no longer needed the confidence boost… I got pheromones back out as i was losing her they help for a bit but also i think agitated her. Used solely none. anyway i’m thinking of using the whole bottle of molecule c on a prostitute to go make myself feel better. Maybe that will work…. I think the next mix i will try will be mx297 + ammo + shine. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/32 "2014-09-23T12:52:01Z")
it is my belief that the direction is always forward. Do not linger on the past. You must stay aware of new possibilities romantically everywhere. Your ex has made the decision to open the relationship, thus now you have the freedom to put her in competition against other women. This can be towards your benefit, and in her mind you have no fault in this decision. She has made her desire openly known that she wants to be free from any obligation towards you. In other words, she wants to be free of feeling resentment towards you. To the degree that you can eliminate the source of that resentment, your relations with her, and other women, may have potential to improve. Do not make argument or concern her with the decision to break up. The pattern to maintain is to mirror her. As she pulls away, so you too pull away, and similarly free her of any obligation to feel or act any particular way towards you. You can from time to time re-engage to make moderate physical and playful advances, without any expectation of return. Make sure that what affection and attention you give her fits no pattern, she does not know when it will come, and when your attention will be focused elsewhere. Similarly, other women must feel the same. When your affection is given, it is given as a gift, without expectation. When you lead, she either follows or she does not follow, in keeping with her feelings. You simply affirm her character in either case, no hard feelings - you express only joy for her, and support for her cause. She does not do wrong, but merely acts in her true character. Right now your depressed mood will kill any chance of romance, both with the ex and other targets. The man must maintain a positive state, regardless of how negative she acts. Your power lies in gaining control over your own emotions and behaviors. In breaking your patterns of thought. Statistically, it is the male’s positive outlook and affirmative behavior that guides any relationship status, as it is the male’s role to guide. As with all women of romantic interest, whom you should all treat the same; do not burden them with obligations to treat you any particular way or provide for you. They do such things only out of love, never out of obligation. Always start any conversation with affirmations to their character, such that you are not a threat to their sense of self. Then provide a guiding direction to their behavior and activity. Plan and strategize, but say as little as possible other than to provide direction. Do not be an open book - you do not want them to find you too predictable. The women you engage are not obligated to cooperate with your plan. They follow only out of expression of love which is existing in their true character. By freeing them of obligation, you steer them clear of any possibility for resentment towards you. Do not waste any breath trying to tell her what is true. The more you try to get someone to realize the truth, the less they will understand it. The more you argue and press your case for a particular viewpoint, the more unsure or op positional she will become. She will only dig in her heels and become trapped in an alternative viewpoint. What is true is demonstrated in action, and experienced first hand. Arguing is only useful when you are caught in a lie. Argument is only useful to provide uncertainty, where someone comes to realize a truth that is inconvenient to you. Then in arguing and pressing, you can make them uncertain. She will see truth in your affection only when she sees you are NOT depressed by her behavior, no matter how she behaves. Love is not about control. Rather, love is an expression of joy regarding the character of another. Not when she does what you want her to, but when she is making her own choices. Other men might judge her, but never you. You only affirm her feelings and choices and her true character. How you really feel, and what you might do next, she should not ever be quite sure. Other men might obligate her and thus garner her resentment, but never you. You free her of resentful obligations, leaving only a path of true loving expression. It is a path taken by a woman only by her choice. Truth exists only in actions, never in words. She can not be told what to do, and certainly not told how to feel. She can only be invited to join you in a plan which she can not predict - thus she has but one option, and that is to follow your lead. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/33 "2014-09-23T13:43:01Z")
A mix that I used with some success in troubled times with my wife: 2x IG, 1/2 spray Heat (1 to 1.25 mcg eNone), and [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) of varying amounts. The IG provides an air of charisma and dependability. It is approachable and warm. A very low amount of heat or eNone keeps just a spark of sexual potential there, and remains safe at less than say 2 mcg eNone. As IG has not eNone, I feel fairly confident in using it as a base. P75 will keep your mind in the right frame of leading and her following, She will have a greater tenancy to follow. It is very good at eliminating self-doubt and negative self-talk. It may provide her greater sense of confidence and security in your presence. P80 may also be of use here, though I can’t give you any specific viewpoint since I have not tested it personally. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/34 "2014-09-23T16:00:22Z")
\*\*Good thread! I think you need to start a journal. You can maintain this of course, as a vehicle of your raw thoughts and fresh experiences. The journal though, should contain your deeper thoughts with regards to your phero experiments and experience, and even recommendations. And since you already have your Intro GC, I guess its time to move this thread into the men’s section. And I will give you all the time to prepare this thread for the transfer (you know… rename of thread title etc..) . Just let me know if you think its time to move the thread. Happy Pheroing! 😃\*\* ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/35 "2014-09-23T16:06:35Z")
Thank you of for that great response iwatkins i have never pushed her in any direction i have only ever tried my best to facilitate her every need while respecting myself? The truth is i wanted to split up with her at times but never had the courage to always feeling there was a way to sort things out. I almost forced her to do it to me it seems calling her out on her behaviour.. I’ll have to read what you wrote there again as i realise there are patterns to my behaviour in LTRs where maybe i set myself up for heart break. I need to learn to proceed with more caution in the future and do the breaking up when things aren’t right. Problem is i just can’t work out why everything went wrong after so many years of bliss, i believed things to be getting better and better but just could not keep up with the pessimism.I guess it is just not meant to be which worries me as i doubt i want to love again with the same intensity. But don’t worry i’m not harassing her etc if things were to ever work out she would have to return to me as i have been watching her pull away for a while and i would have know she truly wanted me. Which i sincerely doubt now. Think i will probably have to see her at least a couple more times while i properly move out etc? ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/36 "2014-09-23T16:09:56Z")
alright if you want to move it for me that would be cool. I’m going to do a lot more testing of pheros as i got a load and am single. That is something to look forward to at least. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/37 "2014-09-23T16:14:48Z")
so where do i find my GC… i want to buy some more! ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/38 "2014-09-23T16:25:08Z")
**Your wish! My command. 😃 What would you like your Journal’s name be?** **Regarding your GC, I think I saw Mick issued it to you on Sept 15. Check your mail… and take a peek in your spam folder. Sometimes GCs were sucked in by that meaty folder.** ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/39 "2014-09-23T16:37:09Z")
Call it… von phero on the run ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818/40 "2014-09-23T16:48:47Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > Call it… von phero on the run Done! 🙂 And Im subscribed. 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/von-phero-on-the-run-a-journal/62818.md?page=3)