# Wanted: The Ultimate Comfort/Bonding Mix **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 30, 2008, 8:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998 "2008-04-30T08:40:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/1 "2008-04-30T08:40:54Z")
I’m planning on testing what a combo of all the mones that are said to create a deeper feeling of trust, comfort and bonding in women can achieve - in terms of friendship and just to see if this feeling of a deep connection might serve as an attractant, too - maybe especially for the androstenone averse women… So, the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) that I suspect could help here are: - IFM (Androstadienone) - IH (Beta-Androstenol) - P93 Do you have any other ideas in terms of ingredients? I’m planning to add a basic masculine androsterone based note - probably MX103 or MX105 and some IS to finish it off… I had the idea for such a mix this morning and decided to test for self effects today with the stuff that I already own. So I’ve sprayed on 1xMX103, 2xIH4, 2xIFM and some sprays IS. I haven’t worn IFM for quite a long time and this reminded me why - a couple of minutes later my mood and confidence dropped quite a bit. This feeling lasted for about an hour. I can’t imagine that the Androstadienone is already gone now, but maybe the effect was only because of an initial “shock” and slowly but steadily the effects of IS start taking over. Anyone else with the experience that the IFM-down lifts rather quickly??? ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/2 "2008-04-30T10:47:50Z")
Hi there Mr Bob, Personally, I would go for something like the following: A1 Rone Beta-Nol TAA TAH Can’t really tell you the number of mcg’s per spray because: 1. I havent tried it myself, although now you mention it, it might be a good idea to do some mixing. I’d need an appropriate target first though!! 2. The number of mcg’s each product works best for you. If you have some Liquid Trust then, you can use that to drop the A-1, especially if it causes you to be down. That said, I’ve read it has a very fast burn rate so the effects might be dead on you pretty quickly. So go for it, if your a fast mover 😉 The logic behind the mix: A-1: Comforts and helps you get into the trusted zone (just dont dress like a pimp 😛) Rone: Trust and respect B-Nol: Will ensure your conversation is deeper and combined with the above will hopefully point the conversation in the right direction TAA: Keeps it upbeat but you may want to drop it, if your looking for seriousness TAH: Boosts her feeling of feminity and given the Rone, she’ll (hopefully) look towards you as a strong, alpha type guy. Hope this helps! Rattle 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/3 "2008-04-30T12:33:58Z")
Hi Rattle! Seems we’ve got a similar idea about the ingredients - just that I didn’t include TAH. I guess I’ll have to read up on it - I don’t have that much experience with the Ts except TAA and a little TAL. Aaaand yes, upbeat is always preferred. That’s why I also included [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) - it’s supposed to light up women and make them feel good - nothing wrong about that, eh? 😉 I have some Liquid Trust left, but it never did a thing for me unfortunately. Thanks for your help Rattle! Oh, I’ve got a victim in mind already! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/4 "2008-04-30T14:24:23Z")
IFM IH [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) A314 or IG TAA P79 - For intensity ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/5 "2008-04-30T19:25:31Z")
Hey bubble, good idea. My vote would go to TAL. I think women feel more confident around it. Not sure how much but I would think adding 2.5 -5 mcg to your mix would be worth a try. Good Luck! ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/6 "2008-04-30T20:07:18Z")
I had also considered TAL in the place of TAH but…giving confidence doesnt seem to be in the ‘spirit’ of the mix. Although, it would be interesting to see!! I usually reserve TAL for times when I want women to approach me. I’ll make up some batches once I have some free time 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/7 "2008-04-30T20:18:56Z")
Yeah, I think a little bit of TAL is best in sexual mixes, as it makes the women more straight forward and they act easier on their inner desires so to speak… 😉 I’ve just ordered a bottle of TAA @ 50 mcg/spray. I guess I’ll use this instead of IS after reading several threads about the increased effect on others when using pure TAA instead of IS… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 6:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/8 "2008-05-01T06:27:19Z")
The given suggestions seem pretty spot on, though I’m not sure I would use A314. I’d probably stick with just -rone or [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). Too much potential for distance with a314, IMO. I haven’t tried this, but I think TAF might be a better ‘amplifier/intensifier’ than p79. p79 seems to have other vibes that get projected along with amplifying, TAF seems to strictly be an intensifier, or novelty-maker(?), and seems more appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![spiderweb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@spiderweb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spiderweb)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/9 "2008-05-01T06:44:51Z")
I like the following mix A314 Athena Phermone (there is no equivalent from Androtics) IS Instant Openess ---
**Author:** ![spiderweb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@spiderweb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spiderweb)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/10 "2008-05-01T06:49:47Z")
I like Androtics phermones very much but there is no product from Androtics which is equvalent to Athena phermone. I mix Androtics products with Athena and effect is just perfect. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/11 "2008-05-01T09:41:27Z")
but most people report that Athena is a scam, ala phelure, or that the disclaimer is it only starts working after 1 month of use??? its DHEA isnt it? and many debate whether it works ---
**Author:** ![Elevation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a8b319/32.png) [@Elevation](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elevation)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/12 "2008-05-01T15:30:33Z")
The combination of IH & IFM is so effective at comfort/bonding I don’t need to use anything else with them. However, just to throw something else out there that hasn’t been mentioned yet, I’ve also been getting great comfort responses with 20mcg of TAK. I wouldn’t go more than that or they may stop talking to you…TAK is kinda weird that way…but for some reason 20mcg just makes everyone relax and drop their guard around me. And it doesn’t seem to interfere with the effects of anything else I wear…Shine, [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), etc. It could be my imagination but sometimes I think it makes the hits bigger just because people are relaxed and more open to my signature. Who knows, I’m still testing it but I like it a lot so far. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2008, 5:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/wanted-the-ultimate-comfort-bonding-mix/11998/13 "2008-05-02T05:23:45Z")
Thanks Elevation, I’d read some reports on TAK but it seemed like it needed further investigation, so I bought some but haven’t had the chance to try it. Now I’ve got a better idea on how to utilize it.