# Well, hello! Nice guy here looking for a change. **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 6, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019 "2012-10-06T19:46:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rufio99](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rufio99/32/2032_2.png) [@Rufio99](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rufio99)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/1 "2012-10-06T19:46:37Z")
Hey everyone. I’m a 27 year old guy living in Chicago, IL. I found this site while googling around for pheromones. I’ve always been known as the “nice guy”. Very sweet and harmless. Women always want to talk to me and tell me their life stories, but never want anything romantic or sexual with me. I’m here to see if I can change that with the help of pheromones. I have female friends that are absolutely stunning with great personalities. We get along smashingly, and quickly draw very close to each other. They are completely open and honest and comfortable with me until they find out that I am interested in them. Once they find out that piece of information they tend to shut down and put up walls with me. Now, I’m not a creep or a freak, and I have been told on a number of occasions that I am a handsome man… but It’s like they forget I’m a man and in their minds turn me into “one of the girls” until I remind them I am indeed a man who is looking at them… a woman. So, I’d like to put an end to this line of behavior. I have an event coming up soon, at which I will be surrounded by my friends and new people alike, and I am interested in getting some pheromones in advance of the event to see if they can affect some changes in my social scene’s view of me. (Maybe even change one of those relationships into something more than a shoulder to cry on.) I AM a very nice guy. And I have a genuine caring compassionate side. So I could definitely never use the “Instant Jerk”. I’m thinking about getting 2 different scents and combining them for a customized effect. I already have natural “Instant Openness” and “Instant Honesty” that I must produce in a massive quantity, judging from the way women react to me, so I don’t need those. So I am left with looking at a 2 scent combo of either “Instant Shine”, “[Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)”, “A314”, “Turn Up The Heat”, OR just getting “Ammunition” since that is a blend of 3 scents already. A314 seems like it could be too stand-offish for what I’m looking for, unless my natural open and honest pheromones would offset that. I am thinking that I should most likely get at least the “TUUT” or “Ammunition” to give my scent the sexual edge I’m looking for… but, I’m very new at this… so I have no idea. So what I’m asking here (and I’m sorry for such a LOOOOOOONNNG post.) is, what would be the best combo for a “nice guy” who is looking to appear more desirable and masculine to women? I’m tired of being belittled and taken for granted and dismissed as not worthy of their desire. I’m especially interested in breaking down those walls that previous female friends have put up to me. Any help would be AMAZING. Thanks. -R- ---
**Author:** ![tommarty920](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tommarty920/32/1273_2.png) [@tommarty920](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tommarty920)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/2 "2012-10-06T20:13:40Z")
Greetings Rufio, Welcome to Pherotalk! I was in a similar situation for a long time and used a combination of game(PUA) and mones to get the outcomes I desired. First off, I’d say working on your game in regards to getting more attraction would be your most beneficial action. Many users will tell you that being congruent with what your wearing(mones) is going to get you the best results. In terms of the M3 model of seduction, it seems as though you have the comfort part down, but not enough attraction to push for seduction. Here are some links if you think this may a problem for you: [Getting the woman. An excellent post by Kimba on enhancing your game.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/getting-the-woman/56612) In terms of mones, I would advise you to get both Ammo(or even Summer Ammo) and TUTH and experiment with them separately. Keep in mind that you should start of with a low dose of TUTH as it may come off as too strong. It seems by the way you described yourself that you have the socials taken care of so that’s great. If you have it in your budget, I would get a third mone in [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). My personal favorite. The best way to get the most out of your mones experience is to experiment! Feel free to ask any other questions, but remember, the search function is your best friend! Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/3 "2012-10-06T21:08:13Z")
Hi Rufio, welcome to the phero community! 🙂 > [@Rufio99](#): > > I AM a very nice guy. And I have a genuine caring compassionate side. So I could definitely never use the “Instant Jerk”. I’m thinking about getting 2 different scents and combining them for a customized effect. > > I already have natural “Instant Openness” and “Instant Honesty” that I must produce in a massive quantity, judging from the way women react to me, so I don’t need those. Now hold it right there. 😃 To me, it sounds like Instant Jerk is exactly what you need to get out of the friendzone! A dash of the bad boy vibe to get you noticed as a man and not a teddy bear. On the same wavelength, I advise that you stay well away from [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). That’s just going to enhance your ‘nice guy’ image even further. Pheromones can be used to enhance the traits that you already have, but it can also be used effectively to balance out your natural traits as well. In fact, you could even argue that you’d see the most visible results from ‘opposing’ phero signatures, because it will make people do a double-take and make YOU change your behaviour more significantly. I’ve picked Ammo from the list because I think that would be helpful as well just for a general sexy, confident, high-value vibe, but try out a spray of Instant Jerk and see if you like it. Your problem is too much niceness and not enough cockiness and jerk-iness, right? Go for IJ. Save TUTH for really hot parties/clubs or for when you _know_ you are going to have sex with someone. At your age, using it in daylight in casual social settings will make you come off as a creepy/intimidating horndog, NOT what you’re going for. Also thought I’d mention: Instant Shine in double strength might be a really good idea for you. It’ll blend with your personality nicely, but in higher doses it also gets sexual, because it’s a youthful, fun, confident vibe. I hope this helps. Let us know how it all goes, and keep the questions coming. 🙂 - Spinach ---
**Author:** ![tommarty920](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tommarty920/32/1273_2.png) [@tommarty920](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tommarty920)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/4 "2012-10-06T22:04:12Z")
> [@Spinach](#): > > Hi Rufio, welcome to the phero community! 🙂 > > Now hold it right there. 😃 > To me, it sounds like Instant Jerk is exactly what you need to get out of the friendzone! A dash of the bad boy vibe to get you noticed as a man and not a teddy bear. On the same wavelength, I advise that you stay well away from Instant Gentleman. That’s just going to enhance your ‘nice guy’ image even further. > > Pheromones can be used to enhance the traits that you already have, but it can also be used effectively to balance out your natural traits as well. In fact, you could even argue that you’d see the most visible results from ‘opposing’ phero signatures, because it will make people do a double-take and make YOU change your behaviour more significantly. > > I’ve picked Ammo from the list because I think that would be helpful as well just for a general sexy, confident, high-value vibe, but try out a spray of Instant Jerk and see if you like it. Your problem is too much niceness and not enough cockiness and jerk-iness, right? Go for IJ. > > Save TUTH for really hot parties/clubs or for when you _know_ you are going to have sex with someone. At your age, using it in daylight in casual social settings will make you come off as a creepy/intimidating horndog, NOT what you’re going for. > > Also thought I’d mention: Instant Shine in double strength might be a really good idea for you. It’ll blend with your personality nicely, but in higher doses it also gets sexual, because it’s a youthful, fun, confident vibe. > > I hope this helps. Let us know how it all goes, and keep the questions coming. 🙂 > > - Spinach I would like to add a note on Instant Jerk about congruence based on personal experience. I agree with Spinach that this can be a godsend for the typical nice guy, ONLY if you can smoothly portray that attitude with solid game. When I used to be that typical nice guy I tried Instant Jerk and although I noticed women getting attracted, I didn’t have the game to successfully close. This was clearly because most could sense the nice guy underneath the bay boy vibe. Although sometimes a simple change in body language can be extremely helpful. I personally would wait to try Instant Jerk, but it all depends if you can get out of the nice guy mentality. In regards to [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), I totally disagree with Spinach. This mone helped me so much when I was learning PUA game and still stuck in the nice guy mentality. It was much easier to stay congruent with this mone and work off of its effects to build my game. Although it does give off that nice, reliable, always there for you guy, it also gives off a lot more attraction and respect than without it. You really just have to not be afraid to pull the trigger on any IOI’s you receive. My main problems with this in the beginning was sensing the IOI’s but not working off them to build attraction, such as teasing ad negging(effectively flirting). But with a little practice and calibration, it’s easy to turn that safe, charming, nice guy vibe in to the strong, protector vibe. Other than those opinions I agree with everything Spinach has said. Good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/5 "2012-10-07T02:02:50Z")
Very good points, Tommarty. I see how IG would be effective too! Being female I haven’t used any of the male-only products so I am only going from what I have read and researched on the forum. So Rufio, definitely take T’s advice. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rufio99](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rufio99/32/2032_2.png) [@Rufio99](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rufio99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/6 "2012-10-09T20:05:40Z")
Thank you very much for both of your insights! And I never really paid much attention to the PUA stuff before. I thought it was only for guys like Mystery who I would much rather drop-kick than have a conversation with …let alone learn anything from. But, it turns out that the psychology is sound, and it’s actually really interesting to me. It seems effective and it doesn’t have to be based in deception. Your game can be genuine but delivered in a particular way so as to be most effective. I will definitely check out more. As for the mones… I think I will save the IJ for a little more down the line when I’ve built up the confidence it takes to back it up. I have in the past pretended to be cockier and more smug than I am, because I know that some women really respond well to that. But they would challenge me, and I couldn’t hang. They would see it was just an act. So, it didn’t work as intended. Well, it looks like as soon as the GC comes in (I hope I’ve qualified here.) I’ll be starting off with full-sized bottles of AMMO and IG most likely alongside a to-go size bottle of TUTH. I’ll use the days leading up to my event to experiment with what works best for me. I know that a couple of my friends would respond to the IG well, because they are looking for dependable men that remind them of their fathers. I am dependable, mature, and trustworthy. Apparently, I just don’t give off the proper [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) to deliver that news to the ladies naturally! Haha. The Ammo would give me that extra edge of sexuality I was looking for. And then a little hint of TUTH seems like it would put it over the edge. Good stuff. I’ll try out a few different things and let you know how it works out. Thanks for being kind to the newbie, and if I have more questions I will definitely do a search before posting them here. Peace, -Rufio- ---
**Author:** ![ashg101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@ashg101](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ashg101)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/7 "2012-10-10T16:45:24Z")
i am taking this advice totally 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2012, 10:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/well-hello-nice-guy-here-looking-for-a-change/190019/8 "2012-10-12T10:22:36Z")
Welcome Rufio, Rufio, rufio, why didn’t you message me sooner. This is one of the situations where your introduction did not make it in my inbox and I apologize I am doing this right now to get your order in **Your gc was issued!**