# What are these "putative" pheros??? (P83) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 11, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958 "2009-03-11T20:49:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jmcinaz2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jmcinaz2/32/898_2.png) [@jmcinaz2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jmcinaz2)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/1 "2009-03-11T20:49:11Z")
Hi everyone… I got me some [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) just for the heck of it. My question is, what was this product designed for? Or, what is it’s purpose?? And what does “putative” mean?? Thanks everyone! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/2 "2009-03-11T21:13:49Z")
No one is clear yet on what putatives do, and that’s why you have to test them out, report back, and tell us what they did for _you_ so we can start following a pattern and hopefully then finding out what they do. ENJOY! Oh, yeah I forgot to mention that you will need to test them out ALONE first so you can know exactly what they do; if you layer them with other [pheromones](https://a314.com/) then you won’t know what’s doing what. So try them out completely alone first, until you get an idea of what they do effect wise. > [@jmcinaz2](#): > > Hi everyone… > > I got me some P83 just for the heck of it. My question is, what was this product designed for? Or, what is it’s purpose?? And what does “putative” mean?? > > Thanks everyone! ---
**Author:** ![jmcinaz2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jmcinaz2/32/898_2.png) [@jmcinaz2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jmcinaz2)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/3 "2009-03-11T21:31:47Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > No one is clear yet on what putatives do, and that’s why you have to test them out, report back, and tell us what they did for _you_ so we can start following a pattern and hopefully then finding out what they do. ENJOY! > > Oh, yeah I forgot to mention that you will need to test them out ALONE first so you can know exactly what they do; if you layer them with other pheromones then you won’t know what’s doing what. So try them out completely alone first, until you get an idea of what they do effect wise. SWEEEEEEET! You’re just loaded with lots of good advice today! ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/4 "2009-03-11T21:59:39Z")
> [@jmcinaz2](#): > > SWEEEEEEET! You’re just loaded with lots of good advice today! What do you mean _TODAY_??? Mikoto is _ALWAYS_ loaded with good advice 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/5 "2009-03-11T22:27:03Z")
What? _Looks around, looks down, and then shrugs._ Ah, geez… _BLUSH._ > [@Xiphoid](#): > > What do you mean _TODAY_??? Mikoto is _ALWAYS_ loaded with good advice 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/6 "2009-03-11T23:00:24Z")
Yah, Mikoto is right on spot. Although I’d say it would be wise to try P83 together with some other mixes, too. A lot of people didn’t see much happening with P83 alone. It’s often described as an disinhibitor which you can steer with the rest of your [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) signature… ---
**Author:** ![Hazard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hazard/32/1153_2.png) [@Hazard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hazard)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/7 "2009-03-11T23:05:26Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > What do you mean _TODAY_??? Mikoto is _ALWAYS_ loaded with good advice 😃 UH OH MIKOTO… Sounds like someone wants your… i’ll stop there 😃 ~Haz~ ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/8 "2009-03-11T23:22:35Z")
Ah, that’ll be the day! 😛 > [@Hazard](#): > > UH OH MIKOTO… Sounds like someone wants your… > > i’ll stop there 😃 > ~Haz~ ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/9 "2009-03-11T23:39:20Z")
https://www.youtube.com/embed/rlLCS8N65NE?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/10 "2009-03-11T23:44:47Z")
> [@jmcinaz2](#): > > And what does “putative” mean?? Putative means that it’s a molecule that is suspected to possess pheromonal qualities, but is as of yet unproven. The Putatives should be tested at low and high levels and in between, as the effects can sometimes vary widely depending on levels worn. As far as buying Putatives or experimental test mixes then asking for information on what they do, well that kind of defeats the purpose and will often skew testing. MX292 is a great example, as most of the inital reports on it suggested that is was a social product and non-sexual. Then after Jasmin said that she was surprised because the reporting differed form the results they were expecting, everyone started seeing it the sexual side of it and reporting how awesome it was. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/11 "2009-03-11T23:45:58Z")
Ah! I LOVE Buddy Holly! Man, why’d he have to die. Same with Ritchie Valens and the rest; gosh the day the musica died. 😕 > [@ariadne](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlLCS8N65NE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlLCS8N65NE) ---
**Author:** ![Omegabyte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/46a35a/32.png) [@Omegabyte](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omegabyte)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/12 "2009-03-11T23:45:59Z")
> [@jmcinaz2](#): > > Hi everyone… > > I got me some P83 just for the heck of it. My question is, what was this product designed for? Or, what is it’s purpose?? And what does “putative” mean?? > > Thanks everyone! **putative** **pew** -tat-iv] _Adjective_ _Formal_ **1**. commonly regarded as being: _the desire of the putative father to establish his possible paternity_ **2**. considered to exist or have existed; inferred: _a putative earlier form_ [Latin _putare_ to consider] [Collins Essential English Dictionary](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/misc/HarperCollinsProducts.aspx?English) 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/13 "2009-03-12T01:27:40Z")
I think in the case of Androtics p series specifically, these are chemicals (molecules) that Mharris and company have identified as having a similar structure or similar properties to established pheromones like Androsterone, Androstenol, Estratetraenol ect. They may affect people or they may not. It’s also been reported that some of the “known” pheromones are mixed in as sort of a “check” on the established consensus of what they do. The best thing to do with your P83 is to test it, alone and with other products, and give honest feedback on what it did or what effects you believe it had. It’s all research, it’s all in the spirit of of getting to know yourself and interacting with others, and it’s all fun as zell! ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/14 "2009-03-12T16:38:23Z")
> [@Hazard](#): > > UH OH MIKOTO… Sounds like someone wants your… > > i’ll stop there 😃 > ~Haz~ Aahhww…you two! 🙄 I have my favourites…that’s all I’m gonna say 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/15 "2009-03-12T20:32:45Z")
_Smiles with a sparkle in his eyes._ Awwwwwwwwwww! You’re too sweet! Just like a cupcake! > [@Xiphoid](#): > > Aahhww…you two! 🙄 > I have my favourites…that’s all I’m gonna say 😉 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/16 "2009-03-13T08:09:43Z")
> [@jmcinaz2](#): > > Hi everyone… > > I got me some P83 just for the heck of it. My question is, what was this product designed for? Or, what is it’s purpose?? And what does “putative” mean?? > > Thanks everyone! With a new putative, one generally should go with their own experience, but P83 has been around for a bit, and there seems to be a recurring pattern with it. Many of us have noticed it has similar sexual qualities as androstenone, but without the heaviness and possible side effects (the so-called “-none rage” you may have seen mentioned before, among others). Because of this, a lot of us have expressed interest in an [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) formula with P83 instead of androstenone to try out. In fact, I think it was actually produced as an MX series, but the number escapes me. The standard disclaimer of “your mileage may vary” applies, of course. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 9:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/17 "2009-03-13T09:57:06Z")
> [@](#): > ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) > [@](#): > > MX292 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/)) [is a great example, as most of the initial reports on it suggested that is was a social product and non-sexual. Then after Jasmin said that she was surprised because the reporting differed form the results they were expecting, everyone started seeing it the sexual side of it and reporting how awesome it was](https://pheromonelabs.com/) I am not surprised. It was expected to be more social but women are social and emotional creatures and a vibe like the one expected with MX292 could cause a sexual reaction even though looking at the formula may indicate otherwise. That’s why I say never under estimate the power of the social mones. Putative means…commonly regarded as such; reputed; supposed These need testing and reporting. Use it on its own and not with other mones at first. Try to get a feel for it that way by using a range of dosages then report on it. If you see nothing don’t be afraid to report that. About half way or more through the bottle use it with another mix your familiar with and see if it steers it in a particular direction. These take a little experience to get used to so don’t get discouraged. Now if you test and report on all your products with detailed info you can become part of the “reporting users group” These are the members who test and report and for doing so get advanced products at a discounted rate. Some of which are pretty big. These posts will help in understanding what they need data wise [Optimal diffusion of phero’s](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/optimal-diffusion-of-pheros/26730/6) > [@How to Test and Report On Products UPDATED 12/01](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-test-and-report-on-products-updated-12-01/6297): > > (At the bottom of this post I have included a small guide on how to find your sweet spot) It has occurred to me that alot of the new people who have reported have not given detailed reports which is something that is needed by Androtics to make new consumer products. I am guilty of this at times as well. (sorry Jas wink ) I am going to post a outline here so that new people will understand how to report so we can have some more consumer goodies faster. First off when you receive a product a… Keep in mind you can write it in your own style but this just gives you ideals of the info they are looking for and the method of testing. Have fun (I love [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) ) 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac8455/32.png) [@dss](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dss)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-these-putative-pheros-p83/26958/18 "2009-03-13T14:59:30Z")
I been using [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and to be honest I seen no results I mean I used it in combo and as stand alone and still nothing I started off with two sprays and gone up to 4 and nothing.