# What are you trying to achieve with pheromones? What are yours goals? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 20, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155 "2006-02-20T18:57:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/1 "2006-02-20T18:57:45Z")
In my never ending quest to serve you better, this week, I ask: What are you trying to achieve with [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/)? What are yours goals and desires? And, out of those goals and desires, what have you achieved already? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/2 "2006-02-20T19:57:30Z")
These are the main things I’m **trying to achieve:** 1. -Sparking sexual desire in all the women I date or stay with, 2. -Appearing to be very outgoing and of high social status(like guy that was always popular) 3. -Being able to as quickly as possible break down emotional or pre-set barriers by women where they may have been hurt in the past and are more resistant to getting closer emotionally and physically. 4. -Put women in a happy relaxed receptive and forgiving mood. 5. -Appear to give off an independant and leadership aura. like you are of high status. That you can make it on your own, take care of anyone, and lead others if need be. It seems like with the current Androtics products I can achieve most of these. I would like to be able to achieve #3 and #2 better though. IO, IS, and A314 may help a lot with #2 and #5, IFM and IS helps with #4 and possibly with #3, and TUTH helps with #1. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 3:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/3 "2006-02-21T03:22:26Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > These are the main things I’m **trying to achieve:** > > 1. -Sparking sexual desire in all the women I date or stay with, > 2. -Appearing to be very outgoing and of high social status(like guy that was always popular) > 3. -Being able to as quickly as possible break down emotional or pre-set barriers by women where they may have been hurt in the past and are more resistant to getting closer emotionally and physically. > 4. -Put women in a happy relaxed receptive and forgiving mood. > 5. -Appear to give off an independent and leadership aura. like you are of high status. That you can make it on your own, take care of anyone, and lead others if need be. > It seems like with the current Androtics products I can achieve most of these. I would like to be able to achieve #3 and #2 better though. > > IO, IS, and A314 may help a lot with #2 and #5, IFM and IS helps with #4 and possibly with #3, and TUTH helps with #1. Wow, this is such a great summary. Very helpful, thank you. #3 is indeed addressable with IFM. There is a lot of hurt out there. Some women avoid it, while others embrace it. If you use high amounts of androstenone, you can often fire up the circuity in women who’ve embraced it (“bad girls”). Some hurt women will over-indulge in sex as a “self-ownership” behavior. Some will stop indulging at all, for the same reasons – it exerts “control” over themselves. Others, caught in a cycle of reliving trauma, will give control over to someone else repeatedly… usually someone less than ideal, someone that can recreate past hurt. Often some will ONLY feel attraction to someone less than honorable (and that’s where high -none can come in). They’ve habituated to “bad boys” like a drug. It’s now an ingrained circuit in the brain, a necessary must in order to “feel chemistry” with a man. There’s some ethical decisions here to be made, but I’d veer away from any “direct therapy”. Much of my background is in psychology, and I’ll tell you this – you can’t give therapy to someone you’re involved with, because of the dynamic involved. It’s incompatible. Therapy works much better from non-invested, third parties. To illustrate, think of massage. There’s therapeutic massage, and there’s sensual massage. Rarely, if ever, would you seduce someone or deepen your romantic bonds with therapeutic massage. A sensual massage, however, will almost always be well received (and may have some therapeutic side effects). “Fixing” should never be the intent or main focus on a personal relationship. It can and will happen as a side effect of a good relationship, but it can’t be your focus. That’s not the kind of relationship you have. If you’re going to be a shining knight in someone’s life, what you CAN give is them a good relationship. The part YOU play can be healthy, whether they act out in a healthy way or not. You can hold steadfast to that, and treat them right, despite the unconscious will of them to get you to act out and treat them wrong. While you’re holding steady to that, you can send them to a therapist to work out their “issues” independently of you. Oops – hope I didn’t side track this thread too much. 🙂 Again, thanks for your input. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/4 "2006-02-21T05:26:50Z")
thats all very true. I’ve had personal experience with most of that with an ex-fiance ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/5 "2006-02-21T05:44:29Z")
> [@Cloud9](#): > > thats all very true. I’ve had personal experience with most of that with an ex-fiance Interesting. Do you tend to find yourself getting involved with troubled girls often? Men are as likely to recreate the same situations over and over as women. It’s natural for us to run in circles due to the way our biochemisry is setup (even if upward spirals are more healthy for us). You may want to try intentionally dating or getting minorly involved with someone who DOESN’T hit your attraction buttons as hard _at first_. It’s our chemistry that really keeps us repeating the past… If you keep getting the same thing over and over, then become a little wary over whom you experience he strongest attraction signals with. By recognizing this and breaking free from these impulses a little, you may find new types of relationships you ultimately enjoy even more. There’s nothing wrong with being involved with people that are healthy. You deserve it. I personally love to help people, too, but the broken will generally never be fixed WITHIN a relationship. Most people change only when _outside_ close relationship. You can actually be doing women a disservice by becoming involved with them when there’s unresolved psychological pathology. Relationships tend to put people in a “holding pattern”, where they don’t really grow or change much. It doesn’t mean people will permanently be broken, either. But, generally, let them get help first, and only then consider a closer relationship. Keep it light – be their friend or even their lover (as opposed to a boyfriend) – before and while they’re getting some well needed therapy. Don’t enter into heavy relationships with people you aren’t basically content with. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 5:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/6 "2006-02-21T05:49:43Z")
I never look for it..it always seems that the ones that I find beautiful inside and out end up being the bad girls..the independant ones..and the alpha females. I’ve run into this twice atleast with girls I consider marriage material…one was my fiance and the other was a short lived relationship where she got scared of getting closer and attached to me. the later had OCD and some depression and her mother left her at a young age. I don’t know what it is…I do find other “normal” women to be quite boring. I think maybe it’s because I’m so layed back I need someone who is nearly the opposite of me to in a sense “complete me”. ---
**Author:** ![TaoistBiker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/taoistbiker/32/1117_2.png) [@TaoistBiker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TaoistBiker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/7 "2006-02-22T20:44:57Z")
1- Knock down/eliminate psychological/territorial resistance in the workplace; 2- Reduce intimidation factor when dealing with very young (early 20s) employees; 3- Soften the social boundaries between people; 4- Increase the heat of my sexual relationships; A314 works well with IS and CTTMv2 as a daily work mix for #1 (IS is incredible). CTTMv2 could be maybe 50% stronger for me in this scenario. IO and IH in combination work well for #2. Spaceland is a hoot for #3; and calms down stress between kids as well. Raw none with A1 has worked well in the past with #4, but it’s a fine balance. I am currently experimenting with a mix of none, TAC, A1 and methoxy, but getting good personal ratios takes a lot of trial and (ahem) error. 🆒 -Taoist ---
**Author:** ![stratslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7bcc69/32.png) [@stratslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stratslinger)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/8 "2006-03-09T01:48:38Z")
I know this thread is a couple weeks old. But I’ll chime in from perhaps a different perspective. In reading MHarris’ fine discourse on “fixing” or not fixing relationships, I must state that my primary goal is to rekindle feelings of sexual desire in my wife of 18 years.Without going into a lot of detail, I’d just really dig it if she initiated once in a while. Or acted like… she wanted me…the same way I always want her. I’m a guy…that’s how I’m wired. I’m very committed to improving my marriage. The relationship part is great. The sexual part is not. I just want to improve things. I’m working on improving me, too. Eating better, losing some weight. Exercising a bit. Not drinking. Got a new haircut. Will buy some different clothes next payday. Anything I can do to make myself more desirable to her. That’s what I’m after. I’m not expecting miracles. This is a learning process. I’m just trying some things to see what will and will not help, short of out and out marriage counseling. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/9 "2006-03-09T03:39:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Eating better, losing some weight. Exercising a bit. Not drinking. Got a new haircut. Will buy some different clothes next payday. Thats already a great start. I’m not exactly sure on what product you should start out with. I think Instant Shine is a must to add to any mix or product. It will help put you and the people around you in a better mood, give you a youthful vibe/shine, boosts your confidense, removes physical boundaries(I find women will literally bump right into me with this stuff on in public), and has even been shown to have sexually suggestive effects on women. Another one you might want to try is IFMagic. This helps with any problems and drama going on. main reason is because it puts women in a warm relaxed mood. I’ve also found it to increase strong emotions more rapidly in women that are already responsive to you when you start dating someone or in the start of a relationship. Not sure how that would work in a marriage, but it certainly wouldn’t hurt anything. This is also a great product to use around women during times of PMS and it helps alleviate some of their negative symptoms. You may find that maybe you need more chattiness and less seriousness in the relationship. Spaceland and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) are good for that. It will make things more light, fun and chatty. Products like TUTH are good to add in when you know for instance your wife is ovulating. Women are most responsive to Androstenone; the main ingredient in TUTH during time of ovulation, which is somewhere around 2 weeks after their period. Any other time it can be a turn off from what others report. So during times of ovulation it will generally cause sexual arousal in women…kind of how the name states..it turns up the heat. This is a more serious vibe product and can be harder to deal with dosages. If you think you might benefit from an increase in status, leadership, and trust type vibe then A314 is a great product for that. It’s the base of all my mixes. I love it for what it does. hope this helps a little. ---
**Author:** ![stratslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7bcc69/32.png) [@stratslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stratslinger)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/10 "2006-03-09T04:52:53Z")
Hi Cloud9, I’ve been reading a lot of your posts on the forum, as I was researching a bit. You’ve been very helpful without realizing it. Thanks!! Initially I ordered TUTH. Jasmin pointed out that a particular molecule in that product might actually cause my wife to react the wrong way. She’s very sensitive to fragrances. So I ordered IFM instead. It arrived today…and Jasmin sent along a bottle of white cap A314 also!! She knows my situation…I’m 200 miles away from my wife, working a new job. There’s light at the end of the tunnel. The company will send me home to work once I get trained. I’m going great guns in order to shorten the time. Meanwhile, I’ll visit when I can…and taking the time apart to work on myself, as above…diet, weight, exercise… So my two products are IFM and A314. I applied both today just to see how they would scent on my skin. I’m really thrilled with the IFM in particular…my wife probably won’t notice it. My shampoo has more fragrance… A314 is totally different on me. Very “man” smelling. So those are the two I’m going with at my “homecoming” this Friday. I’ll try to be very observant this weekend and post my findings early next week. Until then, Stratslinger ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 6:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/11 "2006-03-09T06:00:45Z")
those two IFM and A314 should work great together…maybe 3 drops a314 and 2-4 sprays of IFM sounds good. you may have to find out if ur wife dislikes the Instant line scents like IS and IO and the rest, by buying a cheap experimone product like Anol 2.5mcg/spray with the added [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) scent package. its the same scent added to the Instant line except its not in IFM though. that way u don’t have to spend a bunch of money on a whole new product and ur wife be too sensitive too it and waste ur money. the neroli scent is a light sweet/musky citrusy scent that is as light as body wash i’d say. ---
**Author:** ![stratslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7bcc69/32.png) [@stratslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stratslinger)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/12 "2006-03-09T13:58:35Z")
I did apply both after receiving them, to check the fragrance. I don’t think that will be much of an issue. I think the fragrances from my soap, shampoo and deodorant are stronger than either of those…which is a HUGE relief. If my wife comments, I’ll just say I tried a new bath soap. Which is true.Well, gotta get ready for work. Then home sweet homecoming tomorrow night. I hope! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/13 "2006-03-10T22:10:14Z")
My interest in using pheromones is primarily three-fold. First, I find that I really enjoy the way I feel when I hit the sweet spot for “sexually irresistible” attention from the ladies. I’m not really as interested in going to bed, as I am enjoying the attention, but I also like to have the option. Still learning how to achieve this one consistently. Second, I need the “figure of authority who deserves respect and deference” vibe, since I’m a small business owner. I expect A314 will do that for me, ordered it this morning. Third, I like being able to apply some -nol to my upper lip when I’m feeling out of sorts, and have my mood improve. I don’t have time for feeling bad. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/14 "2006-03-10T22:48:01Z")
[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) works better at elevating your mood than -Nols. Also IS makes you have a youthful sexy shine, which draws women and others close to your circle. I think A314 and IS are the major Two must haves here. next to that IFM. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 7:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/15 "2006-03-13T07:25:05Z")
I think once I have the money I’m going to get all of those. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/16 "2006-03-13T22:41:35Z")
Anyone have Spaceland and then the other main alpha nol that is advertised on the shopping site? I’m wondering what the difference between the Alpha nol and Spaceland is. ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/17 "2006-03-14T02:58:24Z")
Spaceland is lots of Alpha-nol with fixatives. its about 50mcg/spray Intstant Openness is primarily Alpha-nol, but with a few other tweaks and only 15mcg/spray. you can ask over the phone to get the double strength version of IO for no extra. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/18 "2006-03-14T04:14:09Z")
Spaceland also differs from Experimone -nol because it contains an essential oil package that enhances the “spacey” feel of it. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/19 "2006-03-15T15:02:46Z")
Ok, the thing I’m wondering about Space land and the other advertised -nol on the webpage is what type of nols are they? I heard like 3 different types of nols so far. Like -stenol, -dionol, etc. Which ones would be which? I read a post awhile back that IO, especially the double strength version has a seriousness to it. My experience with another product called SOE which is an alpha nol product seems to make you more giggly than serious. Just curious. Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155/20 "2006-03-15T22:04:27Z")
IO is primarily Alpha-nol..IH is primarily Beta-nol(more serious) Anol is the giggly chatty icebreaking Nol Bnol is the more serious Nol..it seems to bring out conversations on a deep dramatic level…it also has been shown to be like a truth serum where people just blurt out things that they’ve kept well hidden suddenly out of the blue and they don’t know why they said it. I’m unsure what dienol does. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-are-you-trying-to-achieve-with-pheromones-what-are-yours-goals/155.md?page=2)