# What did i do wrong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 16, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618 "2011-01-16T01:46:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19adc/32.png) [@hace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hace)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/1 "2011-01-16T01:46:48Z")
Okay here’s what happened. Just ordered Turn up The Heat and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), both regular strenght. Thought i would use them for a night out. Here’s what i used and in which order i applied it. 1. 2x Instant Shine, one on the chest and one on the wrist. 2. 2x Dior Homme Sports, on the arms 3. 2x Turn up the Heat, one on the neck and one on the chest. The reaction? Nothing. It was almost scary. No one would talk to me. I was completeley **avoided and ignored**. Usually i have an easy time getting girls even without pheromones I’m 18 years old (coming on to girls in the same age), living in Sweden and the winter here is harsch, i’m talking 20- celcius. Can that have some effect? What did i do wrong? Would really appriciate som help… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/2 "2011-01-16T01:49:04Z")
2x TUTH is what you did wrong. This made you look like “the man who is ready to get dirty RIGHT F\*\*\*IN NOW!” Girls who don’t know you very very well will get creeped from you. I suggest you tune that to 1 spray, may be even HALF a spray. If you still OD, then avoid TUTH at all cost for now, and stick with ISHINE. You might be surprised with what you could pull off with just ISHINE. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/3 "2011-01-16T01:53:00Z")
You OD’ed and got ghosted. ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/4 "2011-01-16T02:01:12Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > 2x TUTH is what you did wrong. > This made you look like “the man who is ready to get dirty RIGHT F\*\*\*IN NOW!” > Girls who don’t know you very very well will get creeped from you. > > I suggest you tune that to 1 spray, may be even HALF a spray. If you still OD, then avoid TUTH at all cost for now, and stick with ISHINE. You might be surprised with what you could pull off with just ISHINE. this, TUTH is pretty strong, the girls probably thought you were a creeper. IS + AMMO works wonders. I suggest only use TUTH when you’ve already met a chick and you guys have went to a couple of dates and she seems ready to get down. Excuse yourself to go to the bathroom, put 1 spray of TUTH on and work the swag! ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/5 "2011-01-16T02:22:30Z")
> [@phaseshift](#): > > this, TUTH is pretty strong, the girls probably thought you were a creeper. > > IS + AMMO works wonders. > > I suggest only use TUTH when you’ve already met a chick and you guys have went to a couple of dates and she seems ready to get down. I was gonna say… TUTH only when you know the girl is totally into you and ready to go wherever you want to take her. Any other situation is a risk. I tried it once and that was enough to get a feel for just how specialized a product it is. I thought it would merely make her horny. What I didn’t realize is that it also made me look horny to her - and way too early. Turn Up The Heat could just as appropriately be called _Instant Desperate Love Machine_ if used in the wrong doses, at the wrong times, and in the wrong situations. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/6 "2011-01-16T04:21:40Z")
The guys are right, especially considering your age. Even with the instant shine TuTH can come off strong especially to younger women. If you read the product description in the AD store it even says the more you use the older the women you’re likely to attract. I’d wager that if you were in an environment with a bunch of milfs and cougars in their mid to late 30’s you’d be seen as the hot young stud to help some Stella get her groove back. Younger women in the late teens and early 20’s seem to respond better to Androsterone and socials. A little None is fine but it needs to be balanced out more. At your age and with the consumer line products I’d suggest using a single spray of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), a single of either IO or Shine, and a spray… MAYBE two of Ammo. You still get the androstenone sexiness vibe but with enough other mones that help to put the girls in a comfortable state. ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/7 "2011-01-16T14:44:59Z")
hace, why turn up the heat when in all likelihood you ALREADY have the heat turned up naturally. Your 2 sprays along with your natural mones could have been equivalent to 10 sprays of TUTH (just an exaggeration). _ **What these guys are saying is true** _. I’m just trying to word it a little differently. IMO if you got these effects with 2 sprays TUTH and it was buffered it is probably likely you need no -none at all, because you make your own TUTH naturally and that’s why girls your age don’t need MORE of that. Leave TUTH for the old MEN like myself and focus on something else that girls your age may like. For instance a combo of 1 IG, 2 IO, 2 IS, 1 IH, and 1 AMMO. The first girl I slept with while wearing mones was 21 and I wore something similar. I did add TUTH, but basically it was as I was “suiting up” for “sexay time”. Hope your future endeavors are better. THEY WILL BE 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/8 "2011-01-16T15:08:39Z")
I’m slightly older than you and avoid the stuff 90% of the time. TUTH used wrong can have some scary effects. Stick to [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or event try out IJ if you want a -none product. Both of those are way less sexual than TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![hace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19adc/32.png) [@hace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hace)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/9 "2011-01-16T15:48:01Z")
Yeah i think your’e getting through to me. It’s a difference between being sexy and being…sexual. I’ll order Ammo and use that as a base. Then i’ll spice it up with a little bit of IS or maybe IJ if i feel like it. What do u think of that? Maybe i’ll save the TUTH for some others times 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/10 "2011-01-16T18:24:44Z")
Everybody in this thread is right. BUT, since TUTH and IS is what you have, you might as well try to make it work 🙂 So why not try just one spray of TUTH and buffer it with like 4x IS? If you’re still ghosting, add 2x IS each day until your signal is being interpreted more positively. It should work, but it might not 😃 I’m always trying to make a dollar holler! ---
**Author:** ![hace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19adc/32.png) [@hace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hace)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/11 "2011-01-16T21:48:32Z")
Can i OD [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)? Or would that take like, 10 sprays? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/12 "2011-01-16T21:54:51Z")
Consensus around here is that you can’t OD on IS, although you might get a caffeine-crash feeling when it wears of. 4-8 sprays should be enough to buffer the -none, I would think. Only one way to find out 😉 ---
**Author:** ![drums1663](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e95f7d/32.png) [@drums1663](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/drums1663)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/13 "2011-01-17T07:05:40Z")
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**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-did-i-do-wrong/44618/14 "2011-01-17T07:31:13Z")
> [@leftbehind126](#): > > I recently started using IG last week and received a free to-go bottle of TUTH. I love what IG has done- but was scared to use the TUTH. I wanted to use half a spray, but that damn nozzle on the to-go bottles are tricky and got a full spray. Basically had the same effect on me as well. > > It was like people were scared of me. Well..not scared, but didn’t want to interact with me. I haven’t used it since, and might not try it again. Sounds like paranoia/self-fulfilling prophecy to me. You explained how you expected it to be and then that was your internal dialogue. Do a full spray, relaxe, and see how it goes. But TUTH is best used as a follow up when there’s already attraction anyway.