# What do you use in place of Female Magic

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [April 9, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888 "2009-04-09T20:38:46Z")\
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**Author:** ![RJF888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9e8a1a/32.png) [@RJF888](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJF888)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/1 "2009-04-09T20:38:46Z")

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Female Magic is out what would you use if any?

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**Author:** ![jmcinaz2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jmcinaz2/32/898_2.png) [@jmcinaz2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jmcinaz2)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/2 "2009-04-09T20:42:29Z")

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> [@RJF888](#):
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> Female Magic is out what would you use if any?

I usually just SMILE 🙂!!! It seems to work wonders with the ladies!

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**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/3 "2009-04-09T21:07:01Z")

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Hi RJF 🙂

You can use straight Androstadienone. It doesn’t, of course, contain the buffers that IFM does but a lot of the guys here use it and it works fine for them. Though if you’re one of the rare men who does get a depressive reaction from it, then you might not do so well. The only way to know is to try it. It’s available at LS.

Bella

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**Author:** ![JohnnyC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@JohnnyC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyC)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/4 "2009-04-09T22:24:37Z")

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> [@Bella](#):
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> “I’ve been too fucking busy - or vice versa.” - Dorothy Parker
> 
> Bella

lol, Bella, I just read your quote! That’s a good one 🙂

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**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/5 "2009-04-09T22:41:50Z")

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Hmm, this topic has been a popular one these past 2 weeks. ISn’t this like the 4th thread on it?

I use chemset A1. Only a drop or two needed to defeat PMS. Works very friggen time.

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**Author:** ![revivia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/revivia/32/2124_2.png) [@revivia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/revivia)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/6 "2009-04-10T01:02:22Z")

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> [@Gegogi](#):
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> Hmm, this topic has been a popular one these past 2 weeks. ISn’t this like the 4th thread on it?
> 
> I use chemset A1. Only a drop or two needed to defeat PMS. Works very friggen time.

I highly agree Gegogi. I think it’s a tad sad when people don’t put in the 5 minutes of searching on this forum that is necessary to find a similar thread 🙄. Oh well, what can you do?

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**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/7 "2009-04-10T01:41:00Z")

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Great question RJF and there are some very good alternatives to Androstadienone. (While the guys are right that this has been covered many times I would’ve hoped that they would have been more accommodating especially since some of them have been helped many, many times themselves:o)

OK so you have a product like Androstadienone that women seem to really like for the close comfort they tend to feel with it, but also makes men depressed. Androtics is trying to make the world a much better place and making people depressed doesn’t actually fit into our view of a happy world. So you have some alternatives to it: For one P74 tends to really bring out the comfort in men and women without the depression. While its a putative yet, it still can be available to you and works wonders. I like it about 25 mcg and seems to break down boundaries at about 30-50 mcg. Keep in mind though that it also sacks the energy out of you after about 6 hours unless you stoke up on some good vitamins.

I’ve included a bullet list of other users observations as compiled by PheroQuirk: [Mix Guide - Google Docs](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA&gid=1)

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> • Is very useful in fostering harmony, friendliness and cooperation in groups (Kitten, itwow, PheroQuirk, Jasmin, tacitus);  
> • Helps with enhanced attraction from women at least for some men/ ‘boyfriend’ effect (SwingerMD, Sigma, perronec);  
> • Leads to feelings of empathy (similar to Estratetraenol in that way) from the wearer and the recipients - at high doses this can be ‘hyper-empathetic’ (PheroQuirk, tacitus, SwingerMD);  
> • Helps to convey a mellow, cool guy persona of the wearer (PheroQuirk, Flipcat, m3turbo, perronec);  
> • When conversations start with P74 in the air, they can lead to a caffeinated-like high energy chattiness (Lor, Tommy Fever, sigma);  
> • May not be suitable to wear when one does not have the time or energy for lengthy chats, hanging out and bonding (Jasmin, PheroQuirk, Nunya);  
> • Can enhance social magnetism (Sigma, Jasmin, Nunya, Kitten);  
> • May be useful as a comforting/soothing pheromone for PMS (Jasmin);  
> • User reports differ in how long it lasts from 3-4 hours to well over 5 hours possibly (May, PheroQuirk, Matthew24, Rbt);  
> • For some users, P74 needs at least a slight amount of A314 (or another molecule) to ‘anchor’/’ground’/’steer’ its sometime ‘socially out of control effects’ and maintain composure (sigma, Lor, LaurieNY);  
> • At least to some people’s noses, P74’s scent is not pleasant/unusual and may need to be covered because of this fact (LaurieNY, smoothplayer);  
> • May make animals, at least cats and dogs, act friendlier towards the wearer (tacitus, Matthew24, 9ks2k);  
> • P74 could be useful for creating new opportunities and contacts in work/business situations (May);  
> • P74, like most other ‘friendly pheromones’, can lead to loss of influence on decision making, particularly in work/business situations – high doses of A314 may be able to ‘limit’ this effect (idle);  
> • Seems to help reconcile components that would otherwise pull in different directions such as TAA and TAC (tacitus, PheroQuirk);  
> • Is a useful as a ‘softener’/brightener to ‘darker’ pheromones like Androstenone, high-dose P83 and A314 (tacitus and PheroQuirk for Androstenone and P83, sigma and perronec For A314);  
> • Adds a communicative/empathy aspect to sex (tacitus).

Then of course there is also [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/). This little molecule is a GOLD MINE when it comes to closeness. Agai a compilation of reports from PheroQuirk’s spread sheet.

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> • Mysterious ‘Instant Female Magic-like’ closeness effects on women with a slightly more sexual/pronounced edge (toilofday, Sigma);  
> • Has an uplifting, stress-reducing quality to it (a sense of well-being) particularly on women which can help them through a tough time and also helps them enjoy a wearer’s presence more (Nunya, Jasmin, vkat, toilofday, Sigma);  
> • Useful at turning an Alpha/High Status phero signature into a more likable Alpha/High Status signature (toilofday, Gone with the Wind);  
> • Can put people into a ‘no fuss, chilled out, task focused’ mindset (MHarris, Nunya, DJigit);  
> • This ‘no fuss, chilled out, task focused’ mindset can lead to a loss of patience of trivial things (MHarris, Sunny, tacitus);  
> • Has an element of unapproachability about it which is possibly related to a high status/respect signal (toilofday, Nunya, steveo, tacitus);  
> • This unapproachability can be helped by adding ‘friendlier’ pheromones to it (toilofday);  
> • Has a personal space reduction effect (toilofday, pheroasian, Sigma);  
> • Moments of male bonding/sharing of revealing personal information (toilofday, nbully79);  
> • Creates an ‘I get you vibe’ - a general understanding of who a person is without really knowing them at all (toilofday);  
> • General friendliness from people (vkat, Nunya, nbully79);  
> • Can help to get people to do unsolicited things for the wearer/bend to wearer’s desires (vkat, Nunya); and  
> • Useful for sex/after-sex bonding (Sigma, tacitus, nbully79).

If you are interested in either let me know. I will be happy to offer my assistance.😉

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**Author:** ![revivia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/revivia/32/2124_2.png) [@revivia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/revivia)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/8 "2009-04-10T01:51:31Z")

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My apologies Steve :o. I do admit that I have received plenty of help from you and many others recently and in the past, and I try my best to do the same. Next time I guess I’ll answer the same question 10 times haha 😛. I love helping people out, but the IFM threads have been so rampant lately 🙂.

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**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/9 "2009-04-10T01:56:37Z")

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> [@Steve](#):
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> If you are interested in either let me know. I will be happy to offer my assistance.😉

I’m extremely interested… in both of those 🙄 They both sound really useful!

By the way, Steve, for use with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) what would be the best starting bottle mcg purchase for a younger person as myself?

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**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/10 "2009-04-10T02:12:04Z")

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> [@Domnk](#):
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> I’m extremely interested… in both of those 🙄 They both sound really useful!
> 
> By the way, Steve, for use with P74 what would be the best starting bottle mcg purchase for a younger person as myself?

I like to stick with 10 (30 ml) or 12.5 (5 ml).

This way you can use multiple sprays to achieve desired results if you need 20-50. Unless you are mixing things, you dont really need 50 or more mcg. You would need to dilute it and that sometimes is not easy.

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**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/11 "2009-04-10T02:20:55Z")

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> [@Steve](#):
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> I like to stick with 10 (30 ml) or 12.5 (5 ml).
> 
> This way you can use multiple sprays to achieve desired results if you need 20-50. Unless you are mixing things, you dont really need 50 or more mcg. You would need to dilute it and that sometimes is not easy.

Thanks Steve! These are definitely going on my list 😃

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**Author:** ![RJF888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9e8a1a/32.png) [@RJF888](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJF888)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/12 "2009-04-10T03:05:28Z")

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Steve a job well done, not that i understand it all, especially while i am sipping on two 2005’s red Bordeaux. Iam glad i had a great question.

So another would be when will FEMALE MAGIC be available?

888

> [@Steve](#):
>
> Great question RJF and there are some very good alternatives to Androstadienone. (While the guys are right that this has been covered many times I would’ve hoped that they would have been more accommodating especially since some of them have been helped many, many times themselves:o)
> 
> OK so you have a product like Androstadienone that women seem to really like for the close comfort they tend to feel with it, but also makes men depressed. Androtics is trying to make the world a much better place and making people depressed doesn’t actually fit into our view of a happy world. So you have some alternatives to it: For one P74 tends to really bring out the comfort in men and women without the depression. While its a putative yet, it still can be available to you and works wonders. I like it about 25 mcg and seems to break down boundaries at about 30-50 mcg. Keep in mind though that it also sacks the energy out of you after about 6 hours unless you stoke up on some good vitamins.
> 
> I’ve included a bullet list of other users observations as compiled by PheroQuirk: [Mix Guide - Google Docs](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA&gid=1)  
> Then of course there is also P93. This little molecule is a GOLD MINE when it comes to closeness. Agai a compilation of reports from PheroQuirk’s spread sheet.
> 
> If you are interested in either let me know. I will be happy to offer my assistance.😉

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**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/13 "2009-04-10T03:33:48Z")

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> [@RJF888](#):
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> Steve a job well done, not that i understand it all, especially while i am sipping on two 2005’s red Bordeaux. Iam glad i had a great question.
> 
> So another would be when will FEMALE MAGIC be available?
> 
> 888

Aside from Steve’s recommendation of [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and P93 I would also say P86 might be a good addition as well in place of IFM. P86 makes women (and men too generally) appear ‘sweeter’ and act nicer - not to mention a subtle visual enhancing effect. P86 + P93 is an interesting combo as it lacks much of the compulsive chattiness of a mone like P74 (and indeed the Androstenols). So with P86 + P93 you get moments of comfort, bonding and sweetness - sounds somewhat like an alternative magic on females!

Well I tried it only a few times together (20 mcg P86 + 30 mcg P93) so cant be too sure yet 😛.

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**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/14 "2009-04-10T04:55:41Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Steve writes, “OK so you have a product like Androstadienone that women seem to really like for the close comfort they tend to feel with it, but also makes men depressed. Androtics is trying to make the world a much better place and making people depressed doesn’t actually fit into our view of a happy world.”

Hmm, are you implying IFM is on its way out of AD-land? I can only gleam a guesstimate from posts here and at LS, but it seems to me while some men indeed suffer depression with high doses of A1, most do not. I certainly don’t. Oddly A1 is the most abundant natural mone on male skin. And, for PMS, I found it the most “sure to do amazing things” mone of them all. Damn, it’s good. Okay, I just sprayed dome IFM on my forearm (sheesh, it stinks). My GF is getting off work and has been kinda bitchy. Might be the hormone thing again…

I did try [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) last year. Didn’t do much of anything for me. But, what the frick, I didn’t think to test it on a PMS woman…

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**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 6:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/15 "2009-04-10T06:00:06Z")

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> [@Gegogi](#):
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> Hmm, are you implying IFM is on its way out of AD-land? I can only gleam a guesstimate from posts here and at LS, but it seems to me while some men indeed suffer depression with high doses of A1, most do not. I certainly don’t. Oddly A1 is the most abundant natural mone on male skin. And, for PMS, I found it the most “sure to do amazing things” mone of them all. Damn, it’s good. Okay, I just sprayed dome IFM on my forearm (sheesh, it stinks). My GF is getting off work and has been kinda bitchy. Might be the hormone thing again…
> 
> I did try P74 last year. Didn’t do much of anything for me. But, what the frick, I didn’t think to test it on a PMS woman…

Nope not implying that at all! RJF888 asked if there were alternatives and that is what visionary and myself offered. I’ve never gotten the depressed male syndrome from A1 either, but it is reported to cause depression in men and children. From what I understand it made a child express thoughts of suicide.

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**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/16 "2009-04-10T06:13:19Z")

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> [@Socrates](#):
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> Aside from Steve’s recommendation of P74 and P93 I would also say P86 might be a good addition as well in place of IFM. P86 makes women (and men too generally) appear ‘sweeter’ and act nicer - not to mention a subtle visual enhancing effect. P86 + P93 is an interesting combo as it lacks much of the compulsive chattiness of a mone like P74 (and indeed the Androstenols). So with P86 + P93 you get moments of comfort, bonding and sweetness - sounds somewhat like an alternative magic on females!
> 
> Well I tried it only a few times together (20 mcg P86 + 30 mcg P93) so cant be too sure yet 😛.

P74 is good, but it is more of an intellectual harmonizer, P93 is a recruiting [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/), not necessarily good for PMS blues or snappiness. P86 makes things pretty, but won’t necessarily bring a girl out of the blues. Both of these are great for other times of the month, but PMS is a special case.

Even better, try around 10.0 - 20.0 mcg _ **P91** _. Take it from a girl, P91 is calming, loving, thoughtful, and serene… just what the lady ordered to counter PMS.

BTW, I’m one of those girls that Androstadienone makes depressed after a short-lived lift. I won’t even tell you how bad it is, but I don’t recommend it.

Diane

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**Author:** ![RJF888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9e8a1a/32.png) [@RJF888](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJF888)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/17 "2009-04-10T12:14:30Z")

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You guys are very helpful, i just want to remind or make a statement. I am 57 and any girl i encounter will not be having a period. The lady i really have in mind is 57, and all that uterus, ovaries are gone.

I have a314, ammo, tuth, honesty, openness and shine.  
I have yet to use my GC yet.  
Also Honesty2x smells great doesn’t it.

888

> [@diane999](#):
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> P74 is good, but it is more of an intellectual harmonizer, P93 is a recruiting pheromone, not necessarily good for PMS blues or snappiness. P86 makes things pretty, but won’t necessarily bring a girl out of the blues. Both of these are great for other times of the month, but PMS is a special case.
> 
> Even better, try around 10.0 - 20.0 mcg _ **P91** _. Take it from a girl, P91 is calming, loving, thoughtful, and serene… just what the lady ordered to counter PMS.
> 
> BTW, I’m one of those girls that Androstadienone makes depressed after a short-lived lift. I won’t even tell you how bad it is, but I don’t recommend it.
> 
> Diane

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**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/18 "2009-04-10T16:37:29Z")

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> [@diane999](#):
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> P74 is good, but it is more of an intellectual harmonizer, P93 is a recruiting pheromone, not necessarily good for PMS blues or snappiness. P86 makes things pretty, but won’t necessarily bring a girl out of the blues. Both of these are great for other times of the month, but PMS is a special case.
> 
> Even better, try around 10.0 - 20.0 mcg _ **P91** _. Take it from a girl, P91 is calming, loving, thoughtful, and serene… just what the lady ordered to counter PMS.
> 
> BTW, I’m one of those girls that Androstadienone makes depressed after a short-lived lift. I won’t even tell you how bad it is, but I don’t recommend it.
> 
> Diane

Right from the mouth of a BABE 😉. Can’t get better suggestions than that.

Thanks Mrs Diane

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**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/19 "2009-04-10T20:43:20Z")

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> [@Steve](#):
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> Nope not implying that at all! RJF888 asked if there were alternatives and that is what visionary and myself offered. I’ve never gotten the depressed male syndrome from A1 either, but it is reported to cause depression _ **in men and children** _. From what I understand it made a child express thoughts of suicide.

… _ **and women** _. In the peer review journals, the studies I’ve seen showed a rebound effect in women approximately 6 hours after exposure - apathy, depression, and inability to connect with positive emotion and pleasure (anhedonia).

Diane

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**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-do-you-use-in-place-of-female-magic/27888/20 "2009-04-10T20:45:32Z")

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> [@Steve](#):
>
> Right from the mouth of a BABE 😉. Can’t get better suggestions than that.
> 
> Thanks Mrs Diane

DaBomb:

10-12.5 mcg P91  
25.0 mcg _ **rone** _  
100.0 mcg Meo-Est  
10.0 mcg P102  
50.0 mcg Beta Androstenol

Oh, I am so there, Baby! Put this on and I’d divorce my man for you! 😛

Diane

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