# What happened to eow? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 14, 2008, 10:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900 "2008-11-14T22:41:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/41 "2008-11-20T08:08:01Z")
Dont worry about it frances you will be fine using it, it wont hurt you or anything. Its just weaker then it used to be so you will have to work harder to find your dosage. > [@](#): > > So, Jasmin, when is Androtics going to provide a simple standardized copulin product? Your users would like to know! šŸ™‚ Now this is a good question, There is a demand for a good pure cop product the companies mentioned above are all good but if they dont provide whats needed you have little choice but to use substandard products or go without. Many women need alot more cops in there products then they offer in thereā€™s. Its why I love the custom additions link here where you can increase the amount you want in products. While that dosnt make for a pure formula it does provide some alternative from a trusted company. If your worried about the information posted above in this thread my suggestion would be to wait for LAM to come back and go to the customs section and get 20X added. It will cost more though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/42 "2008-11-20T10:45:15Z")
Now that IS/B is back, when do you reckon we can 5x cop that? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/43 "2008-11-20T11:28:57Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > So, Jasmin, when is Androtics going to provide a simple standardized copulin product? Your users would like to know! šŸ™‚ > > Diane Hi Diane, Weā€™re tried very hard to make something good in this area, but if you asked how many tries it takes to make a working lightbulb, I couldnā€™t answer that. I can give you some background information to help you understand the process. Some things take far longer than anybody ever planned for or wanted. Pheromones and copulins are completely different chemical structures. Copulins are more in the realm of perfuming, than they are pheromones (which are created by hormone chemists). While we know a little bit about perfuming, we focus more on how perfuming chemicals work w/pheromones than on actual scents. i.e., all our work is very pheromone-centric. Actual scent and scent technology we tend to outsource most of that work to experts in their own fields. Unlike pheromoning, perfuming itself is an old, established industry with a lot of the research and art already well known. We expect the leaders in established industries to do a good job at their chosen art & science, so we can focus put the bulk of our effort into what we do best. We donā€™t want to waste time re-inventing the wheel. That said, we did make our own plant based version of copulins a few years back (since almost no one perfumes with actual raw plant oils), and that was OK with us. The problem is that plant based product can cause skin sensitization (skin rashes, etc.). Paid a few people to make non-sensitizing versions of copulins, and we havenā€™t found most of those versions to be really acceptable. Mind you, asking someone who deals with flower and musk notes to make copulins is sort of a ā€œweirdā€ request. (!!) Some of what they produced may have been better than what other companies have, and perhaps superior to ā€œsalad dressing gone badā€ formulas on the market, but we donā€™t care about that. We have high internal standards, and it really has to be good enough to us to release even as a test mix. I know it takes a long time to do some things right, but we donā€™t ever want to be the kind of institute people point to and say ā€œThey have no shameā€. We may be very ā€œexperimentalā€ here, but we donā€™t use that word to cover as a substitute for quality. Weā€™re not going to intentionally release anything that we already _know_ to be substandard, which is why weā€™ve rejected most copulin formulas weā€™ve had done. The good news is, as you may have read elsewhere on the forum, we have a yet another perfumer on it. I like this guy. Heā€™s kind and level headed, and makes some really amazing scents. I even have the sneaking suspicion thatā€™s heā€™s heterosexual (rare in the world of male perfumers, Luca Turin exempted) and may know what _good_ copulins smell like. Important stuff. The EXTRA good news is that he might join the forum here, so he can develop it ā€œliveā€ on in response to feedback from all you guys, as we do with [pheromone formulas](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). We couldnā€™t get that kind of involvement from most perfumers or even salad dressing designers if we tried. Thereā€™s possibly even EXTRA EXTRA good news, but Iā€™ll leave that for later. Kindly, šŸ™‚ Jas ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/44 "2008-11-20T11:43:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Thereā€™s possibly even EXTRA EXTRA good news, but Iā€™ll leave that for later. Your such a tease Jasmin LOL jk šŸ™‚ I look forward to all the good news and if you ever just want to get it all off your chest you can call me and unload it on me, I am a great listener. šŸ˜ƒ I cant get a bit of info out of Steve, he is sealed up as tight as a tin drum. LOL Off to work cya later Tisha ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/45 "2008-11-20T14:35:30Z")
> [@](#): > > The good news is, as you may have read elsewhere on the forum, we have a yet another perfumer on it. I like this guy. Heā€™s kind and level headed, and makes some really amazing scents. I even have the sneaking suspicion thatā€™s heā€™s heterosexual (rare in the world of male perfumers, Luca Turin exempted) and may know what good copulins smell like. Important stuff. > > The EXTRA good news is that he might join the forum here, so he can develop it ā€œliveā€ on in response to feedback from all you guys, as we do with pheromone formulas. We couldnā€™t get that kind of involvement from most perfumers or even salad dressing designers if we tried. Oh my! thatā€™s exciting!!! ---
**Author:** ![Alystin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alystin/32/664_2.png) [@Alystin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Alystin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/46 "2008-11-20T18:44:00Z")
What exciting new news! Iā€™m all a quiver! Oh please do keep us informed Diane! Iā€™m glad to hear about the perfumer possibly joining your team and even us here in the forum. Iā€™m excited to hear that IS/b is back. Though a little sad, cause $$$'s a little tight to be buying pheros at the moment. But please keep us informed as to the return of [Lust After Me](https://phera.com/product/lust-after-me/). I really want to try the copā€™s. But a little nervous about buying eow, now. With everything said here. I really do need the copā€™s at there highest potential. ttfn alystin ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/47 "2008-11-20T19:23:42Z")
Ummm, has anyone thought of mentioning the problems with EoW over at LS?? Bruce is good at fixing things. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/48 "2008-11-20T20:04:41Z")
I did send an email, but I never got a reply and itā€™s been days. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/49 "2008-11-20T21:58:56Z")
Jim šŸ™‚, I know youā€™re a mod over at LS and I donā€™t mean to get your ire up butā€¦ When my last order was incorrect it took three emails and two phone calls to get the rest of it delivered. Though Tammy eventually responded and my order was filled it was never completely straightened out. They shipped me the wrong roll-on bottles and though I mentioned it each time it was never addressed or corrected. So truthfully, if I had another credible source for EoW/copulins I wouldnā€™t be ordering from them again. I can get Scent of Eros, that I love, directly from James Kohlā€™s site. While Iā€™m here. Tisha, ladies, have you ever used W-9? Itā€™s also suppose to be pure copulins. If you have and think itā€™s decent Iā€™m gonna try that next. It wonā€™t take long for me to use up the three bottles of weak EoW I just purchased as now I have to use 16 to 20 drops šŸ˜® to get the same effect I used to get with 10-12 of the older stinkier EoW. šŸ™„ Bella Hurry Jasmin! šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/50 "2008-11-20T22:09:27Z")
Yes Bella I have used it but its been a while. Its a good product, all there stuff is. Its not as strong as the old EOW though but if you mess with the dosage you should be able to get it working as well. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/51 "2008-11-20T22:10:47Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Jim šŸ™‚, I know youā€™re a mod over at LS and I donā€™t mean to get your ire up butā€¦ Hon, you didnā€™t get my ā€œireā€ up, I was just asking. I hadnā€™t seen anything in the forum. Mostly, all I do over there is dump porno spam and ban the spammers, I donā€™t work for LS.šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/52 "2008-11-20T22:43:18Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > _ **Hon, you didnā€™t get my ā€œireā€ up, I was just asking.** _ Good to know šŸ™‚. > [@](#): > > _ **I donā€™t work for LS.šŸ™‚** _ I know you donā€™t work for them, Jim. Though Iā€™m just telling selva my experience with customer serviceā€¦ I know mods can be sensitive to such comments even though theyā€™re not associated with the company in that aspect. So just to be on the safe sideā€¦ šŸ˜‰ Actually a better choice of words wouldā€™ve beenā€¦I know youā€™re a mod at LS and I donā€™t mean to offend you butā€¦ > [@tisha23](#): > > _ **Yes Bella I have used it but its been a while. Its a good product, all there stuff is. Its not as strong as the old EOW though but if you mess with the dosage you should be able to get it working as well.** _ Thanks Tish, I thought why not give that one a shotā€¦can it be any weaker than the latest EoW? Dunnoā€¦weā€™ll see. Guess Iā€™m gonna have to bite the bullet and order LAM when itā€™s restockedā€¦_and_ in chocolatiniā€¦God help meā€¦what I do for the good thing. šŸ™„ šŸ˜› Bella ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/53 "2008-11-20T22:54:12Z")
OH do I know something and you couldnā€™t beat it out of me. And WOW, Jasmin you were right on about that sample pack! The scents are just ridiculous andā€¦ well Iā€™ll just shut up now, no more Steve slip ups today. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/54 "2008-11-20T22:55:28Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Guess Iā€™m gonna have to bite the bullet and order LAM when itā€™s restockedā€¦_and_ in chocolatiniā€¦God help meā€¦what I do for the good thing. šŸ™„ šŸ˜› > > Bella Youā€™re not alone love. I need to get myself some LAM too even if I have to cough my lungs out or gag from the smell of cops. What can a girl do, other than close her nose and wait for it to dry down lol ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/55 "2008-11-20T22:56:37Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > OH do I know something and you couldnā€™t beat it out of me. > > And WOW, Jasmin you were right on about that sample pack! The scents are just ridiculous andā€¦ well Iā€™ll just shut up now, no more Steve slip ups today. Aww! No fair, youā€™re such a bum šŸ˜ƒ I meant that with love šŸ˜‰ lol! ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/56 "2008-11-20T23:04:14Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > _ **OH do I know something and you couldnā€™t beat it out of me.** _ Can we try?..could be fun. šŸ˜ƒ > _ **And WOW, Jasmin you were right on about that sample pack! The scents are just ridiculous andā€¦ well Iā€™ll just shut up now** _ _ **šŸ˜®** _ _ **YOUā€¦AREā€¦THEā€¦DEVILā€¦** _ ā€¦ya still have a cute tail! šŸ˜› > _ **no more Steve slip ups today.** _ ā€¦thereā€™s always tomorrow. Bella ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/57 "2008-11-20T23:11:22Z")
No beating Steve Bella! Itā€™s in the TOS. There is always tomorrowā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/58 "2008-11-20T23:16:38Z")
TOS?..lolā€¦whas dat? ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/59 "2008-11-20T23:18:03Z")
Terms of Service? Iā€™m just guessing lol ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900/60 "2008-11-20T23:25:52Z")
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