# what have I done? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 1, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656 "2010-12-01T04:18:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/1 "2010-12-01T04:18:20Z")
So in summary, I used a LOT of different mixes when school started. As far as I can remember, these were the mixes used at random intervals (if that could help): - 1x or 2x sometimes 3x MX301 - [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) x2, IS x2, Ammo FF22 x1 (Finished about a whole mx297 bottle on that mix) - MX297 + IO (just first day though) - Ammo x2 (once worked VERY well, tried it recently, VERY negative effects.) - IG x2, ISx2, Ammo x1 - IGx1 , IOx1 OR IS x1, Ammo x1 (worked very well wonder why I didn’t use it again) - Ammo and IS (used couple time and had not really great results) - IJ x1 -IG and IO - IG and IS - I Feel like the absence of IH in these mixes might have of played a role of not “deepening” the effects.. Now the problem is, for some reasons that I’m trying to actually figure out, I get no hits with my mones now. I get way more blatant hits when I have no mones on (sometimes I double-check in my head a couple of times if I ACTUALLY didn’t put any pheros on). I feel like the vibes I give with the mones is almost like weird now? May be I’m just trying wrong mixes? I’m 17 btw (more like average looking). Last day I applied 1x Ammo in the morning, couldn’t feel the mix really working well, applied 1 more spray at lunch.. OD. Actually two girls literally moved away from me. Not to mention the depression I got that day. May be I Was expecting way more hits? Some time ago I applied 2x ammo in the morning and girls were literally BENDING over in front me (btw I wonder if someone else get this type of IOI.. I seem to get it a lot when I have the right mix on) Quick example: At church gym applies 2x Ig ISx2 and ammox1 and this REALLY cute girl wasn’t just bending but she was facing her ass against my face. Does someone have any idea about what’s happening? I completely not trying any pheros again anytime soon (I think IS by itself wouldn’t hurt though 😉 ). Btw: I ordered P83 30ml 10mcg/spray .. should I use that? How many sprays? I’m thinking about 2 or 3. What should I mix it with. EDIT: ONe thing I realized is that sometimes I see hits from mixes the day after…but not the actual day I have pheros on ..(i take everyday a shower if i had applied any mones) Weird.. ---
**Author:** ![England](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/england/32/1163_2.png) [@England](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/England)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/2 "2010-12-01T04:24:57Z")
Maybe you should take a long break off the mones (a month or two) and then go back to them. Might be something to do with your hormones and body chemistry changing as you’re still young and growing. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/3 "2010-12-01T04:43:27Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > So in summary, I used a LOT of different mixes when school started. As far as I can remember, these were the mixes used at random intervals (if that could help): > > - 1x or 2x sometimes 3x MX301 > - MX297 x2, IS x2, Ammo FF22 x1 > - MX297 + IO (just first day though) > - Ammo x2 (once worked VERY well, tried it recently, VERY negative effects.) > - IG x2, ISx2, Ammo x1 > - IGx1 , IOx1 OR IS x1, Ammo x1 (worked very well wonder why I didn’t use it again) > - Ammo and IS (used couple time and had not really great results) > - IJ x1 > -IG and IO > - IG and IS > > Now the problem is, for some reasons that I’m trying to actually figure out, I get no hits with my mones now. I get way more blatant hits when I have no mones on (sometimes I double-check in my head a couple of times if I ACTUALLY didn’t put any pheros on). I feel like the vibes I give with the mones is almost like weird now? May be I’m just trying wrong mixes? I’m 17 btw (more like average looking). > > Does someone have any idea about what’s happening? I completely not trying any pheros again anytime soon (I think IS by itself wouldn’t hurt though 😉 ). > Btw: I ordered P83 30ml 10mcg/spray .. should I use that? How many sprays? I’m thinking about 2 or 3. What should I mix it with. > > EDIT: ONe thing I realized is that sometimes I see hits from mixes the day after…but not the actual day I have pheros on ..(i take everyday if i had applied any mones) Weird.. Honestly I see some red flags with this. In a place where some of these people have known you a good long time your sporadically changing your signature all the time. From what I can infer by your writing you spend more time looking for hits than actually doing any real interaction. Look I love a good phero hit here and there but to base the effectiveness of what you wore based on how many hits you got and what you consider blatant (whatever that may be) its all really shallow. What I’m saying is you really won’t learn about what works for you slapping on different things all the time and the whole residual thing is very real. Honestly if I was a girl and I knew you decently in some facet and you were attracted to me all those vibes together would confuse the shit out of me after a time. I’m not saying you cant what I would call “Phero Shift” but between MX301 and 297 and IG and IJ and Ammo you really fuck with peoples perceptions in the manner your employing them. Forgive my french. At the end of the day its hard not imagining you doing this this, at least this is making you think things through a little bit more. At your age your all of you are really hopped up on hormone changes. I won’t go and do the whole probable health issue thing again but what did you think would happen when a kid your age is spraying anywhere from 20 to a ball park of approx 150 mcgs of hormone breakdown derivative constantly on a body with amped hormone levels being around other amped hormone level individuals? I think you should think about your usage style not this whole “Umm yeah I’m not getting results anymore so umm if I add P83 at whatever sprays you prescribe to me with a somehow improved mix that all will fall back into order and I will fulfill my blatant [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) hit needs” This may sound mean and condescending but I’m really trying to get my point across to you more about HOW YOU USE IT vs WHAT TO USE. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/4 "2010-12-01T04:51:23Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Honestly I see some red flags with this. In a place where some of these people have known you a good long time your sporadically changing your signature all the time. From what I can infer by your writing you spend more time looking for hits than actually doing any real interaction. > > Look I love a good phero hit here and there but to base the effectiveness of what you wore based on how many hits you got and what you consider blatant (whatever that may be) its all really shallow. What I’m saying is you really won’t learn about what works for you slapping on different things all the time and the whole residual thing is very real. Honestly if I was a girl and I knew you decently in some facet and you were attracted to me all those vibes together would confuse the shit out of me after a time. > > I’m not saying you cant what I would call “Phero Shift” but between MX301 and 297 and IG and IJ and Ammo you really fuck with peoples perceptions in the manner your employing them. Forgive my french. > > At the end of the day its hard not imagining you doing this this, at least this is making you think things through a little bit more. At your age your all of you are really hopped up on hormone changes. I won’t go and do the whole probable health issue thing again but what did you think would happen when a kid your age is spraying anywhere from 20 to a ball park of approx 150 mcgs of hormone breakdown derivative constantly on a body with amped hormone levels being around other amped hormone level individuals? > > I think you should think about your usage style not this whole “Umm yeah I’m not getting results anymore so umm if I add P83 at whatever sprays you prescribe to me with a somehow improved mix that all will fall back into order and I will fulfill my blatant pheromone hit needs” > > This may sound mean and condescending but I’m really trying to get my point across to you more about HOW YOU USE IT vs WHAT TO USE. Trust me I wasn’t offended.. You are right. I’m aiming at nothing. I don’t have specific goals which makes me just “look for hits”. I actually took the final decision of not using mones anymore @ school since I can’t act upon my signature very well (can’t chill AT ALL after school due to strict parents would be the main issue).. Btw my “ex” hurt my neck today REALLLY bad I actually feel sometimes she wanna kill me (when no pheros on most of the time now).. But after she hurts me she keep apologizing and texting me saying how sometimes she finds it “easier” to act like that and was acting really nice in her texts. She is always hating on me @ school and trying by a way or another to piss me off. NExt time when I see good IOIs I got to remember this: GET THE NUMBER!! (im soooo dumb I actually missed that ALOTAA timezz) ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/5 "2010-12-01T04:56:37Z")
I would have to agree with Olfact here, in fact I’m pretty much trying to get back to the basics myself. I still do some random testing, but with the new targets I was trying so much on different occasions, all appropriate settings and while I was getting reactions, I think I may have created issues with attraction. For example my main target, she’s 29 and a mother of 2. I’ve worn a few combos around her trying to trigger something but it honestly is not working. In fact, as time has moved on, I see her trying less and less to impress me. Not that she should be trying to impress me, but it got to the point where I figured next time I saw her she’d be in a bathrobe, slippers with curlers in her hair. All joking aside, the level of time she spent primping herself for me got shorter and shorter until this last week where I just stopped everything and went back to my baseline mix of A314, IH, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) with the occasional IS and A1 thrown in. She got into the car yesterday and had a look on her face like she was just entranced all over again. I mentioned this in another thread, but when I told her she smelled nice, she had this low almost growl in her voice and look in her eyes when she said…“You do too, what is that?” Almost like…OMG TELL ME RIGHT NOW! So today we decided to have lunch together. She got started getting ready at 9 am this morning, and wasn’t done until noon and was still primping herself when I got to her place and had to wait another approximately 10 minutes. This is someone who had to work graveyard and has had only 2 hours sleep. Tells you how badly she wanted to impress me for a couple of hours before she had to go pick up her kids from school. Anyway, pick a signal. A baseline one that says “THIS IS WHO I AM!” Stick with that and only tweak it on occasion. Those occasions might be when you want to move from cuddling to sex, add a shot of TUTH or whatever you find you need. Or when you’re meeting the parents, or going in for a job interview bump up the IG etc. Stick with the basics…as they say… K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Deja\_Vu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deja_vu/32/256_2.png) [@Deja\_Vu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Deja_Vu)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 5:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/6 "2010-12-01T05:06:31Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > Anyway, pick a signal. A baseline one that says “THIS IS WHO I AM!” Stick with that and only tweak it on occasion. Thegentleman nailed it in the head. Especially in a **school setting** , you don’t want to be like a shape-shifter with all sorts of vibes. That would throw people off. That is why in my journal you can see I’ve been only using IG as the baseline,tweaking it only on occasions, and I’ve got good, blatant hits with them. Of course in a bar/club setting that’s the time you can experiment with other types of mones since you would be meeting new people. They won’t have a pre-conceived notion about you, so any vibe that you project - they will assume that’s who you are! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/7 "2010-12-01T05:21:05Z")
Alright so should I stick to one mix for one school? I’m thinking: IGx1, IS (2x) x1 , Ammo x1, P83 20 mcgs And I’m going to use that once or twice a week max.. what do you guys think? Any suggestions for application points? Personally neck seems to work best for me.. tried wrist and back of neck and not sure about the results since just like I said i’ve stopped seeing any hits.. ---
**Author:** ![Reborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reborn/32/1561_2.png) [@Reborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reborn)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/8 "2010-12-01T07:10:52Z")
On top of that, try periodization. For further explanation, RADMAN rocks. Check out these: > [@do mones stop working over time?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-mones-stop-working-over-time/42145): > > I bought ammo about 2 weeks ago and ive been using the 1 spray to my wrist every 6 hours method every day, first week it was great and i could visually see girls looking at me. Now either im just not paying enough attention or the hit count has gone down by alot, do mones stop working over time?? Ive been careful to wash out the areas i spray mones at like my wrists with soap every night before bed too. [Extended periodization program for pheromones (long post)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149) ---
**Author:** ![Morphious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@Morphious](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Morphious)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/9 "2010-12-01T21:35:07Z")
> [@Reborn](#): > > On top of that, try periodization. For further explanation, RADMAN rocks. > > Check out these: > [do mones stop working over time?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-mones-stop-working-over-time/42145) > > [Extended periodization program for pheromones (long post)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149) I seriously need to stop reading the forum when having some mones on LOL. I normally do so at night, but today was slow at work and I feel like an ass writing my responses. So forgive what I will say if it offends anyone… I agree with the previous posters about taking some time off mones for a few months, and the fact that the social setting is a High School with all sorts of natural [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) floating in the air. Its While it may help you with certain aspects of your high school experience, but I honestly think you should just stick to the Instant line (mainly shine, openness and honesty), as well as A314. On the other hand, I personally think that young adults under the age of 18 (High School) should not be experimenting with Pheromones because they are going through changes themselves which in all reality is a waste of their money, their efforts, and hits part of a previous thread that RADMAN hit previous about the lack of quality reports and blaming things on “it doesn’t work”. The last thing you want is the misuse of Pheromones by some teenagers who are under the legal age be exposed like Pro-hormones got exposed and then you get the government putting their nose trying to regulate it. I know far fetched thought, but in this day and age, anything is possible. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-have-i-done/43656/10 "2010-12-01T22:22:37Z")
> [@Deja\_Vu](#): > > Thegentleman nailed it in the head. Especially in a **school setting** , you don’t want to be like a shape-shifter with all sorts of vibes. That would throw people off. That is why in my journal you can see I’ve been only using IG as the baseline,tweaking it only on occasions, and I’ve got good, blatant hits with them. > > Of course in a bar/club setting that’s the time you can experiment with other types of mones since you would be meeting new people. They won’t have a pre-conceived notion about you, so any vibe that you project - they will assume that’s who you are! 😃 If you are a skinny asian dude, I think A314 would work better than IG. IG is to make you seem more charming and softer… just saying… Also, pherojack… I get hits usually the following day(s) after I wear mones… sometimes, the hits are even better and stronger than THE DAY I wore it 😉