# What I want from pheromones **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 21, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640 "2007-12-21T02:26:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/1 "2007-12-21T02:26:39Z")
I got through Google and found a thread with someone describing what they want the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) for (as I said in the introduction post). Sionce I found in that thread something interesting and possibly not beneficial to me, I thought to do the same. **What I want the pheromones for:** First if all, this is very important: I only have **ONE CHANCE** to do this. It is in exactly two weeks and I need time for the product to arrive before then (has to arrive by the day before so my mom can bring it to me since it will be mailed to her adress and she will be at work when I meet my boyfriend). I love him enough that I would be suicidla with a possible actual attempt if this does not work… so I need to be using the right thing here, or at least to be sure it won’t have NEGATIVE effects! So anyway… My boyfriend loves me, but is mad at me, he makes some really stupid conclusions about certian things, and gets angry if I contact him too much. **Please do not ask me "Do I really want this guy, etc… I do. I love him and my computer time is extremely limited and it would take many prargraphs to explain all the details. But he is not unworthy of my love.** **So please just give advice about which phereomones will work for me (or other things that might5 help) instead of questioning my relationship’s validity.** Anyway… okay I’m a bit long so let me try again. **WHAT I REALLY WANT THE PHEREOMONES FOR:** I am going to meet him, in two weeks, and make some suggestions to make our reklationships work. Often whenhe is angry he is also an asshole on purpose, so he refuses to listen to me and stuff. If he gets horny he is more likely to listen to me, because he also feels more love for me any time he is horny. That is what made me think to use pheromones. But any effcet that will make him more favorable twoards me is good, not just horniness. I need him to listen to me and hopefully agree to some of my suggestions (they are comprimises, nothing selfish for me). **My experience with peheromones and Stephen:** A few years ago, I bought Androstenone because I was hoping the person who had just broken up with me then would approach and talk to me if he saw me sitting there when he came out of class, while I was wearing the pheromones. They seemed to have no effect on him whatsoever, and I did end up talking to him for 5 minutes or less a fewt imes while wearing them. However, he already SERIOUSLY did not like me. The person I am using them for now actually does love me quite a bit, but gets angry with me easily. He is also more willing to at least pretend to listen (sometimes for real, sometimes he is pretending), although I have to beg hiom sometimes to do it. When he is mad he does not like to listen, even if what I say makes the reason he is angry to actually be wrong (such as I didn’t actually do what he thought I did, for example). I met Stephen when I still had the Androstenone, and it did make him more horny at times and may have possibly made him more realexed (but I’m nmot sure about the second one). However, at that time he was feeling completel love for me, and right now he dislikes me a lot more. Though he loves me he does not like me a lot atm. My best goal is to get him to like me righty away (which will be a lot easier and possibly a sure thing if we end up having sex when we meet), my “I will accept it” goal is to get him to agree to give me a chance to show him I am good enough to like, after waiting a month or more to talk to him again. But this will be long, hard work for me and cause me a lot of suffetring as well, so the preferred result is to have it happen right away… there’s also the risk of him getting together with someone else if I have to wait the month or more. He does love me, but he’s mad at me, and I saw something about Androstenone sometimes having negative effects “If you are a person who comes on strongly.” I would guess this could easily also apply if the person gets mad at you. In the past I have beged Stephen for things… this time I will be asking and apologizing. He also likes the smell of the base that Andorstenone comes in. **My other ideas besides Androstenone:** According to [human-pheromone-reviews.net](http://human-pheromone-reviews.net), Phelure and Primal Instince are the best… For my situation though, I would need both effects together, and if I can only use one, I’m not sure which one I should use to accomplish my goal better. Although him feeling relaxed and everything will usually make him horny as well since he feels love for me and will be cuddling close to me if possible… another link I found on my own was here pheromones - (sorry no links allowed Tisha) . But I haven’t googled yet to see if they even HAVE a product to attract men… has anyeon tried this one? Is it a scam? Finally, there is the thought of whether i would be able to mix any of them (including the last one) with Andrsotenene so that I can get the scent from the Androstenne… I could actually try to just find lavedar essential oil and whatever other oil is included with it, but then again even different brands of essential oil smell different (for some reason is till can’t figure out). ---
**Author:** ![dolly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dolly/32/1591_2.png) [@dolly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dolly)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/2 "2007-12-21T03:29:37Z")
> [@mewgirl](#): > > If he gets horny he is more likely to listen to me, because he also feels more love for me any time he is horny. Hun, please don’t take offense, but you have issues other than those that can be helped with pheromones. I am a lot older than you, and take it from me, sex does NOT equal love. PERIOD. If he is horny, he is horny. That is not loving you any more or any less. He may tell you he loves you when you are being sexual, but guess what? He wants sex. His hormones are raging…he is horny. He will tell you what he thinks you want to hear in order to get sex. Sorry if that’s not what you wanted to hear. I know it’s brutal, but take it from experience. I speak the truth. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/3 "2007-12-21T03:41:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Phelure and Primal Instince are the best… Pherlure has hardly any mones in it. Its not one of the favorite products with users on this forum in fact most people started with pherlure and found us once the realised there mistake. Primal instinct (for women) is pretty good but would not be on my list of choices. Anone is a mens mone and although women can get away with wearing it in small trace amounts wearing alot without a buffer will not yield you the results you are looking for. I suggest you find something with alot of copulins in it if your looking to get him horny. Just keep in mind that mones do not change a persons free will. They will not make him not mad at you if he is. They will not make him change in anyway. Human [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) review is a affiliate sales site and I would not go by them to choose your mones. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/4 "2007-12-21T03:41:25Z")
Yes I know, that’s why I asked anyone not to comment on that. You see, he loves me for sure, or at least think he does, but the only reason I say “think” does **NOT** have to do with sex by any means. It has to do with other things which again I will not go into. But it’s very complicated and time-consuming to exaplin, he also has some social disorders which make it hard for him to think about his emotions and stuff. Did you read the part about sex actually BEING equated to love between us? He would no more have sex with someone he did not love then I would. Sometimes when I want to have sex with hmi he says no. But, he is not very good at controlling his horniness, so if he is with someone he loves he will want to have sex with them when he’s horny. During sex, we will of course have extreme feelings of lov for each other in most cases. Afterwards, he may (as he has before) eralize how much he actually does love and need me because of the intense soul-sharing we have just done. Most of the anger he feels towards me is because his parents do not like me and he loves his parents and lives with them and/or because of things I do that his parents do not like. So when he does feel that love for me he knows it. And if he is horny, but we have not had sex yet, he is still going to feel some love for me, because the horniness will make him feel love, after al;l, he couldn’t have sex wihtout feeling love, he’s not an ashhole (at least not in that way). But please, not about the relationships, I’m trying to save myself, my life, our relationship, and him as well as he will be forever lonely as well. And I have very little time to type and everything. Not to mention, when people start talking about and asking abuot details of another subject, it takes away from the original subecjt at hand, and causes other people to respond about subject 2 instead of subject 1. During my limited limited internet time I also have to click enough e-mail links to earn enough money to buy phereomones in the next two weeks… very, very time consuming as this would require like 100,000 e-mails. **Now the phereomone part of my response that I was going to reply to if there was no rsponse:** I just noticed something… it seems most of the other phereomone products actually also contauin the androstenone… so now I am kind-of confused. If the androstenone can cause a neagtiuve response, so you use a differnet product instead, using the product such as Alter Ego was was said to make the guys feel more “relaxed and comfortable” instead of so horny, does that mean that the androstenene product stilll works the same then, and it actually WON’T have the negative effect opposed to something like Alter Ego? ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/5 "2007-12-21T03:52:01Z")
Did I say Phrlure? I meant to say Alter Ego. Pherlure was the best according to another site, this site was obviously deisgned exactly as it said it was: to be helpful. These reviews however were done by a guy who wanted to “get as much ass as possible.” He had tried 4 or 5 products. Euporia was listed “medium,” andron-whatever was listed as useless, however it had the effects I mentioend when I used it and also has a great scent in both my opinon and my boyfriend’s opinion. Androstenone, I am not talking about the actual phereomone every time I mentioned it. Sometimes I am talking abuot the product called that instead. Here’s one link just so you know what product I am talking abuot. Androstenone Phermone They have a men’s version and a women’s version. I know they will not make him change or anything like that. But if he feels more favorable towards me, which can occur when I smell good, when I look REALLY good, when I am able to go out and do nothing but have fun with him (which won’t happen this time), or in most cases when he is horny (better at a high level but not an extreme level, because at an extreme level he can’t think or comprehend what I am saying). There is a specific dress that works well for the “looking good” part but I can’t wear that now cause it would be abvious that I am doing it for that reason since it’s winter. And no, none of this make shim an asshole though I realize it sounds that way. Most of it is subconcious. After all when your boyfriend smells good (phereomones or not) or has softer hair then usual, don’t you also want to be clsoer to him more often, and more cuddly then normal? I do. I am hoping he can change but I think I have to change first, even though i really haven’t done anything wrong I’m willing to do it. This is what I’m trying to tell him in this meeting, without mentiong that I haven’t done anything wrong. And yes, if soething can make him relaxed or horny, which will make it more liekly for him to be happy with me right away (by the end of the meeting I mean), then that’s the best effect. but otherwise I am just looking for him to listen, which the pheromones can help with easily. I thought it was possible for that site to be a sales site, but then I realized that not a single link there is an affiliate link, and though most of the links point to one site that sells different products, there is also a link to three other sites, again wihtout an affilaite link. That is why I thought it was a legitmate site. Are you sure it is an affiliiate site? ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/6 "2007-12-21T03:54:34Z")
Also thank you for your reply (cant edit my last post it hasnt been apporved yet). ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/7 "2007-12-21T03:59:16Z")
Sorry for the triple post I’ve got three minutes. I had seen something with couplins at this site (edited), I don’t have time to find which on it was right now will come back tomorrow. And yes I would probably go to another site to buy the product if I found one there to buy unless it was really cheap and I use paypal to get refund if product doesn’t come. What are couplins anwyay? Sorry if this sounds rude just trying to be extremely quick. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 4:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/8 "2007-12-21T04:04:31Z")
relax. Take a bit of time. By your intro post in the intro forum you will get a $15 gift cert. Also you get $5 credit for signing up at the webstore. That should go most of the way towards getting a to-go bottle of something. Now you and the ladies just need to figure out what. I suggest you consider ih or isex. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/9 "2007-12-21T04:21:07Z")
I have removed your links because we do not allow links to affiliate websites or other pheromone sites. You are welcome to talk about the products though and most of the experienced users will know what your talking about since we have pretty much used them all. I also want to make you aware that your in the smartmone store research forum which is why most of the products we talk about come from there. > [@](#): > > These reviews however were done by a guy who wanted to “get as much ass as possible.” I am familar with “that guy” he makes a commission everytime someone hits a link from his review site to the products and buys something. The ones low on his list pay less commission. The ones high on his list pay the highest commission. Please do not take offense by this. You have alot to learn about pheromones and you need to stop listening to those hyped up web review affiliate sites unless you want to spend money on things that dont work. That being said … Androstenone is what men wear to attract women and what women wear trace amounts of to make sex more intense for them and there partner. It will not make your BF horny until he is already in the act of sex and it is buffered with the right products. Alter ego is a moderately good product. Again not my first choice but when I run out of the good stuff I will use it. It contain trace amounts of Androstenone, Androsterone and nols. High amounts of Androstenone have negative effects on females and can make them very bitchy and edgy. The negative effects on a man in high amounts is they become aggressive and competitive with other males. Because men naturally make Androstenone and women only naturally make very very tiny amounts Androstenone products are not the way to go for you. Women wear copulins to attract and arouse men. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/10 "2007-12-21T05:07:36Z")
Mkay. When did the ladies forum turn into a relationship advice column? Not that I’m complaining…Just sayin. Mewgirl, get Instant Sexiness A and Instant Honesty. They will not solve your problems, unfortunately. But they are good solid [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). And don’t wear androstenone. It is for men. Problems with your man will still be there no matter what pheromones you wear. Mewgirl needs to figure out how to make Mewgirl happy. Mr. Boyfriend Dude can’t do it, only Mewgirl can. Best, Kitten ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 10:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/11 "2007-12-21T10:59:16Z")
LOL Kitten exactly how much [Instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) A are you wearing (snort) I sense your tiger being released 😉 I agree people tend to post there relationship problems over on our side more and I think there are 2 reasons. We tend to be more sensitive and they are not looking for PUA advice which is more the atmosphere in the mens forum. nothing wrong with that guys, to each his own. I am unsure why mewgirl is in such a hurry but I really think she needs to step back and learn the correct information about mones before she even attempts to use them. Your recommendations are spot on though. 😉 Tish ---
**Author:** ![dolly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dolly/32/1591_2.png) [@dolly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dolly)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/12 "2007-12-21T12:27:23Z")
> [@Kitten](#): > > Problems with your man will still be there no matter what pheromones you wear. Mewgirl needs to figure out how to make Mewgirl happy. Mr. Boyfriend Dude can’t do it, only Mewgirl can. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 1:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/13 "2007-12-21T13:29:34Z")
Mewgirl, If you have further suicidal thoughts please reach out to somebody who can help you. ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/14 "2007-12-21T23:39:37Z")
Whether you accept her advice or not, dolly is 100% correct. Phrases like “horniness will make him feel love” show that you have a limited understanding of your situation. Yes, it is possible that he feels attracted to you because he loves you, but if this is the case then you have it backwards–love is making him feel horny. The order is important, because the while the former can (and should) cause the latter, the latter CANNOT cause the former. It’s just impossible. Also, men do not have to be assholes to have sex without feeling love–as a matter of fact, I assure you that he can, simply because he’s male. Men are wired differently than we are, and sex can be very, very emotional for them, but it doesn’t have to be. They have different needs than we do. That’s not to say that women can’t have sex without feeling love; it’s just less likely–but it doesn’t make those women assholes, either. So, you asked for pheromone advice only, but we really can’t give it without addressing the fact that pheromones really cannot solve the problems that you and your SO have. The best that I can advise is to stick to the Instant line and cops (rather than go for the MX series or putatives) because you are new at this, stay AWAY from -none because it’s too aggressive and not something to wear when people are pissed at you, and do what Kitten says. Keep the [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) to your hair and the IS/A where it will affect both you and him. If you buy some EoW to use as well (which I do recommend; it’s great stuff) you can find it at LS. My last request is to read Bunny’s post in the Newbie thread among the stickies (look for the thread started by me called Newbie with a few questions) in order to learn how to use both your IH and your EoW. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 2:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/15 "2007-12-22T02:14:57Z")
Well that depends, because if the product(s) I end up trying to get aren’t sold in the store that the gift certificate is to, then it won’t help at all. And buying the wrong one won’t help me either, though of course I won’t know which is the “right” or “wrong” one for sure until I’ve tried them. You say, “Relax and take time,” okay sure, if I take more then three minutes to type that post yesterday, the computer would shut down, there would have been no post, I would have lost both the time I spent making the post and the 10 cents or so I could have made from e-mail links if I hadn’t been typing the post, I wouldn’t get replies to the post before I got back on the computer again, which means when I do get replies all future correspondance on this board would take longer, and since some things might take up to a week to ship and what I’m doing happens in two weeks, none of that is good but even if that weren’t the case nobody likes losing what they’ve typed. The Instant Openess (which is what I’m looking at through Gone With the Wind’s post) looks interesting, but it’s alos a little odd… the company you linked to is suggesting using up to 8 sprays, while most all other companies I’ve seen suggest no more then one or two. Same idea about one or two has been presented a lot on this board. And I’ve never seen a phereomone bottle that claims to have such specific effects either, especially if it does not list the exact types of pheromones used. Have you tried anything from that line of products? (The Instant Sexiness one is described as a type of “confident, bitchy cat” idea that is sexy to neither me nor my boyfriend, so I wouldn’t look at that one.) That’s weird, tisha… you’re not allowed to post links yet the links automatically insert descriptive text? (In other words, if I paste the link, it doesn’t show up as [www.xxxx.com/bvyivuiv](http://www.xxxx.com/bvyivuiv) nor does it show up as what I’ve typed in, but rather it showed up as, “[Buy Pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) here” or something of the like. And it’s odd that the board owner would program it to do that and when links aren’t allowed anyway.) Just like the other site that I was told was an affiliate site, his links do not say anything other then “[Pherlure.com](http://Pherlure.com),” for example. I am an affilaite at a few websites, and they all either have links or redirects in order to get credit. So, I guess I learned something new about the internet. I am still a little confused about the [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) thing if the brand that uses that name for it’s company as well has both a men’s and women’s version. They both smell the same, and most sites I see selling it are marketed towards people who have never heard of pheromones before, so if the chemical is used only to attract women, why would they need two products? (I should also point out that while I liked the smell, the product didn’t affect me either. Guy #2 could easily have already been mildly horny, but it quite literally drove him crazy, enough to where he would do something his own if I didn’t want to help, which he has never done with anyone when not around the pheromones.) If this forum is for a specific store or pheromone company (and you are right, I did not actually realize that), I would assume you, as staff for the board, are also staff for the company… so when products such as Pherlure are simply using marketing gimmicks and don’t work very well (and the marketing gimmick aspect is indeed very apparent in their own website and affiliate sites), what do I have to believe your own products are better then others? Your site isn’t using the marketing gimmicks, so that’s one point, but when I read posts on the forums, how do I know that you telling me product A works well is the truth IYO? I am glad to hear that the Androstonene will make a man agressive towards other men rather then females. It does seem to be an ingredient in most all products I’ve seen so far. (It seems I have not seen most of the products at your store, however.) When I saw the alt text for the word on this forum, I thought if I were to wear it it meant it would have a possibility of making any negative feelings towards me more enhanced. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Kitten_ > Problems with your man will still be there no matter what pheromones you wear. Mewgirl needs to figure out how to make Mewgirl happy. Mr. Boyfriend Dude can’t do it, only Mewgirl can. lol, I am not asking the peheromones to remove relationship problems! Maybe you didn’t read everything I typed (which would be understandable as it is quite long), but the goal of the phereomones other then horniness, is to make him not to decide to refuse to listen to me “just because,” and etc. Where if you are feeling good towards someone, you are generally less of an asshole. The goal of the horniness is actually the same thing mostly. As for “figuring out what make me happy,”… his love does, it is not for him to “figure out” unless he wants to. I need pheremones at the meeting, and as it looks like you tisha have read all or most of my posts, that should be in there somewhere, it’s not like I can just sit around for a year and do this whenever I want to. This paragraph is not supposed to be rude either, I’m trying to explain is all, that it should say somewhere that I am meeting him in two weeks. > [@](#): > > Mewgirl, > > If you have further suicidal thoughts please reach out to somebody who can help you. Again, what do you think the pheromones are for? You may have read a lot of my original post too, or all of it, if he listens to me I will have the chance to make things work, and if he has sex with me they will definitely work. Actually if you’ve ever been suicidal or known someone who’s been suicidal while in the vicinity of someone who wasn’t very caring about that fact, sometimes reaching out or telling someone makes it worse not better. That is what I have always done anyway, if I hadn’t I likely wouldn’t need to do any of this. > [@](#): > > The order is important, because the while the former can (and should) cause the latter, the latter CANNOT cause the former. It’s just impossible. You are simply wrong. I don’t know how, if you know that love can cause horniness, you think that horniness cannot cause feelings of love. Obviously, you have to love the person first in order for that to happen. But for both me AND my boyfriend, if, for example, we see a sex scene, even if it is pure porn (with no relationship involved in the video), or read a certain word, or whatever else that makes me aroused or him hard, the next thing that happens if you are thinking abuot acting on this feeling, is you think about someone. Because obviously (in our case) we would not want to have sex with someone we did not love. So we think about someone we love… which creates feelings of love. If it did not, it would be incredibly hard for him to think of himself as decent person. > [@](#): > > Also, men do not have to be assholes to have sex without feeling love My opinion on this matter was never posted here. > [@](#): > > as a matter of fact, I assure you that he can, simply because he’s male. Well then you need to go meet some people because I’ve been in love with four people. One of them can have sex without love, one of them thinks anyone who has sex without love should be killed, one of them I am not sure about his personal sexual feelings however he doesn’t want to have sex until he’s married, and the last one is my current boyfriend who could not have sex with someone he didn’t love. That doesn’t mean they can’t make him horny (in which case he would start thinking abut someone he loves). > [@](#): > > Men are wired differently than we are, and sex can be very, very emotional for them, but it doesn’t have to be. That is a contradictory statement. First you say, “Men are different them women.” Then you say, “Sex can be very emotional for men, but does not have to be,” just like is the case for women (in general of course. For any individual man or woman, only one type of sex may be possible for that person). But this is not a debate forum. > [@](#): > > They have different needs than we do. I was not aware that all men were one person and had all the same idea about things, and that all women were another perosn with the same ideas about things. > [@](#): > > So, you asked for pheromone advice only, but we really can’t give it without addressing the fact that pheromones really cannot solve the problems that you and your SO have. Yes you can. You can very easily say, “Im my opinion the following product might help you accomplish that,” or, “Here is my opinion on the opinions you already posted.” As a matter of fact, four or five people have already done it! I do find it odd you would feel the need to mention that “a product can’t do the following thing” when I never implied that it could. You are right about putatives; I do not want to buy anything that is not shown for sure to be a phereomone yet (unless it is part of a mix with proven phereomones). > [@](#): > > it’s too aggressive and not something to wear when people are pissed at you, That was my worry I was posting about… but tisha said it would make men agreesive towards other males, not towards the female? I did a search for “EoW” and nothing came up. What is that an abbreviation for? ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/16 "2007-12-22T02:17:54Z")
Okay, just looked in the forum, found a post by Bunny, it did not say anything other then “Hello” really, so I’m thinking you’re referring to user other then just “Bunny”. Hope I didn’t forget to say thank you for all your posts in the long post above this one. ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/17 "2007-12-22T02:18:38Z")
Hope I didn’t forget to say Thank you all for your posts. ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 2:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/18 "2007-12-22T02:31:52Z")
Then you’re looking in the wrong thread, hon. Look at the _very_ top of the Women’s Forum, where there are posts that are stickied to the top. They are separated by a blue line from the rest of the threads. This blue line says “Normal Threads”, and the blue line above the stickies says “Sticky Threads”. There are five stickies. I am referring to the fourth one. It is my thread (meaning, I started it) and the second post, the one immediately after mine, is a post by Bunny and it’s very long. It contains instructions both on how to use IH and how to use Essence of Woman (technically, this is called Essence of A Woman, but for some reason we on the forum remove the article when referring to it. I don’t know why; it’s been like that since before I joined). ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/19 "2007-12-22T02:39:19Z")
Was my reply post to this rejected and not allowed to be posted? If so, can you send it back to me so I can edit it? Because some things there really need to be said, for one thing. I saw a product called Icebreaker, but it doensn’t seem to have a women’s version. I uploaded to my own site, the list of ingredients copied from this product’s site. [Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos](http://www.geocities.com/slimshadybsb/pherogreds.htm) . I don’t know if I posted about this product before or not. The site makes it look like a bad thing, colored letters, bold, etc. But the ingredient list made me re-open the site after I closed it immediately the first time. And you said Newbie forum, so yeah I was looking there instead of in this forum. I looked up EoW. [pherolibrary.com](http://pherolibrary.com) says couplins can cause “agitation,” which is probably worse for my situation then aggression. The reason I keep asking about the agression said to be caused by [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) is because “aggression towards other males” is great, it would show up as a protective instinct. Agression towards me would be bad of course, but maybe I was thinking of “aggression” as “agitation” as well, because hs is not the type to hit me. I should also mention that extreme overkill on the horniness wouldn’t help me. He would for one be too horny to comprehend what I am saying, and two, when we did have sex it would not be loving enough and it might not do any good. ---
**Author:** ![mewgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@mewgirl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mewgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640/20 "2007-12-22T02:45:57Z")
I looked up EoW. [pherolibrary.com](http://pherolibrary.com) says couplins can cause “agitation,” which is probably worse for my situation then aggression. The reason i keep asking about the agression said to be caused by Androstenone is because “aggression towards other males” is great, it would show up as a protective instinct. Agression towards me would be bad of course, but maybe I was thinking of “aggression” as “agitation” as well, because hs is not the type to hit me. I should also mention that extreme overkill on the horniness wouldn’t help me. He would for one be too horny to comprehend what I am saying, and two, when we did have sex it would not be loving enough and it might not do any good. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-i-want-from-pheromones/7640.md?page=2)