# What if I am already a jerk? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 12, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678 "2010-04-12T03:06:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![instinct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4af34b/32.png) [@instinct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/instinct)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/1 "2010-04-12T03:06:12Z")
I am a really confident and direct guy, I think I’m coming off as fun, but sometimes I get told that I am coming off as arrogant. I don’t even realize it, if anyone has heard the term “cocky funny” apparently I am “cocky” but not “funny”, to which I replied “I am cocky hilarious”, but ya know, thats it right there. Is there something that might help with this? when I get into state, I can open every single set in the room, no problem, but It ends up being about 80% of the girls hate me, and then 10-15% absolutely love me. I don’t want to change me, I want them to interpret me better. I am very touchy, I can be loud and not even realize it, I am confident to a fault, and the worst part is, it isn’t a cover up, I just really really love myself, and I get told I am arrogant, and I say “well what did I say?” and they will say “well I dunno, you just have an arrogant vibe”. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/2 "2010-04-12T03:18:56Z")
There is one famous product designed specifically for intimating personas, jerks and assholes: WAGG (sold by LS). As a standalone it’s great at toning down the badass and threatening. On a lesser man it makes him seem like a pussy, so it’s not for everyone. I actually like it with NPA or TE as it helps take the nasty edge off. IG used with feel good socials like IS, TAA and IO may also prove to be helpful. It’s manly but more of a peaceful alpha vibe with a little “hello Kitty” happy go lucky. Girls with daddy issues will immediately wanna sit on your face. Realize for any mone to work its magic you must act the part of the mone signature you’re wearing. A loud asshole wearing WAGG is still a loud asshole (albeit maybe 10% less full of shit). Mones work great but they merely provide an edge and help push your persona in a new direction. You still gotta provide substance to back up the mone signature or you get zip. Friggen jack squat. So you must be willing to change and bend a little if you really want success. Controlling your social persona is no different or less rewarding than controlling your persona in a professional environment. You walk and talk the part and you get rewarded with allies, raises and promotions. Act like a jerk it all goes to crap. Playing the bit is part of growing up and being a man. So be a narcissistic asshole inside–I am. Just keep it the hell to yourself and you’ll soon be in control of your targets. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/3 "2010-04-12T03:21:12Z")
You may not think that you’re covering something up but you’ve stated enough times that you’re confident that it comes off as trying to convince us that you are. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what I perceive and quite possibly how others perceive you as well. As for the mones, if you aren’t willing to tone down your demeanor you might try heavy doses of instant openness or even spaceland coupled with some 2x strength instant shine. Should help your personality come off in a more charismatic and fun way. I’d advice against heavy rone products or beta nol like instant honesty, they’re too serious for your personality and your lack of congruence would smash the effect and probably make people dislike you more. As for none products like ammo, TuTH or IJ…I’m torn, sounds like you could pull off being congruent with instant jerk, but I don’t know enough about that product to say if it would be overkill or not. Maybe [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). but even then I’m not sure. I really think IO and Shine are the best bet for turning your image into something more likeable ---
**Author:** ![instinct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4af34b/32.png) [@instinct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/instinct)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/4 "2010-04-12T03:24:09Z")
Its a weird thing too, a lot of social proof is involved, If i go up to the desperate chics and their friends and build up a lot of social proof, I can own the room, or If I go with a wing women, but if I go out alone and go right up to the target, she always thinks im being a dick to her. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/5 "2010-04-12T03:28:38Z")
In either case she thinks you’re a dick. Just when you’re with women she thinks that maybe there might be more to you than you being a dick. Since obviously some other woman seems to think you’re ok. Same with having a wing. You seem like a dick, but maybe since at least one other guy thinks you’re good enough top hang with maybe you aren’t all that bad. But a dick with company is still a dick. The girl just thinks the fact that somebody else likes you means you might be worth examining further. ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/6 "2010-04-12T03:41:13Z")
This topic has the word dick in it a lot. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/7 "2010-04-12T03:52:06Z")
lol yeah. Anyway my suggestion is still to try and turn the jerk vibe into something a bit more fun and likable. I figure IO and Shine are best for that. I do remember somebody warning another poster against using [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) because it was “hard to be congruent with”, now given the topic starters self description I don’t think he would have a problem with congruence but I’d also be concerned that it might push the jerk vibe so over the top that he gets even more negative responses. But Instant Jerk isn’t a product I’ve used yet so it’d be great of somebody that HAS used it can chime in here as I’m a little curious myself. ---
**Author:** ![instinct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4af34b/32.png) [@instinct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/instinct)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/8 "2010-04-12T04:02:15Z")
Maybe I am just not acclimated to Back to American culture yet (let alone the ultra conservative south) , cause in Europe I had zero issues with this…I really am sweet guy, let me put it like this, I am a cat person!!! CAT PERSON! ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/9 "2010-04-12T04:07:29Z")
> [@instinct](#): > > Maybe I am just not acclimated to Back to American culture yet (let alone the ultra conservative south) , cause in Europe I had zero issues with this…I really am sweet guy, let me put it like this, I am a cat person!!! CAT PERSON! That’s odd, not disagreeing with you, just the stereotype I usually hear about is how most Europeans have a very negative opinion of the Arrogant Americans. I would imagine your experience would be the exact opposite. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![instinct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4af34b/32.png) [@instinct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/instinct)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/10 "2010-04-12T04:15:02Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > That’s odd, not disagreeing with you, just the stereotype I usually hear about is how most Europeans have a very negative opinion of the Arrogant Americans. I would imagine your experience would be the exact opposite. Interesting. I heard that a ton going over there, but honestly, from everyone I met, and I lived there for 5 years, they absolutely love most of American culture, are McDonald’s addicted and are incredibly welcoming. People would hear me speaking English and just walk up and tell me that they loved America and want to talk to me about it, and this is in a country with a higher avg. income than the USA, they just don’t agree with our politics, but typically in Europe, especially outside of England, they don’t like any politicians, too many bad experiences. ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/11 "2010-04-12T17:21:46Z")
> [@pherophreak](#): > > This topic has the word dick in it a lot. Dick. Sorry, I had to 😃. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/12 "2010-04-12T21:51:01Z")
Usually guys that act like a **dick** are in fact **dickless**. Or, at least, have infinitesimally small nads. One of the great mysteries of the universe… ---
**Author:** ![instinct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4af34b/32.png) [@instinct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/instinct)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/13 "2010-04-12T22:35:31Z")
I dont act like a dick though.. thats the weird thing, I am the kind of guy that treats strangers like best friends, I dont let anyone step all over me, but I actually try to avoid conflict. Thats what I am trying to say, if a guy is trying to come across as a dick or jerk, perhaps there are some issues, but I believe that I am and try to come off as a friendly person, and get read as a dick. Thats the issue. Infact, in a day time setting, I usually have no issues what so ever, but at night, I get this issue. And it is ALWAYS the girl who I later find out is a trouble starter anyway, and she is the one that targets me. It seems that the girls who have the “shit dont stink” attitude hate me, but the more humble ones tend to love me. ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/14 "2010-04-12T23:25:40Z")
> [@instinct](#): > > Its a weird thing too, a lot of social proof is involved, If i go up to the desperate chics and their friends and build up a lot of social proof, I can own the room, or If I go with a wing women, but if I go out alone and go right up to the target, she always thinks im being a dick to her. Your a man; we are all dicks at sometime in the eyes of a woman.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/15 "2010-04-13T02:53:58Z")
> [@reddog](#): > > Your a man; we are all dicks at sometime in the eyes of a woman.🆒 Yeah ya gotta be careful with dick in a womans eye, they hate that shit ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/16 "2010-04-14T22:18:09Z")
Geez… there is a high use of the word dick in here, so I will add Phallus and cock to the mix LOL. Seems like CTTMM2 would be a great thing for you as well as Instant shine or my fave mx138 liquid sunshine. You would have much more fun with MX292 and see where it lends you. Consider A314 as I am a fan of that, although some perfer the (LS) one, but both are made by AD. Check my journal for info and advice and really funny stories. -DJ CCTX ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/17 "2010-04-14T23:45:18Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Yeah ya gotta be careful with dick in a womans eye, they hate that shit Actually not true if you have the right woman and timing. Some even love to brush their teeth with it. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/18 "2010-04-15T00:27:32Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Actually not true if you have the right woman and timing. Some even love to brush their teeth with it. Make sure you lend them your special toothpaste! ---
**Author:** ![instinct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4af34b/32.png) [@instinct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/instinct)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/19 "2010-04-24T01:35:53Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > Geez… there is a high use of the word dick in here, so I will add Phallus and cock to the mix LOL. > > Seems like CTTMM2 would be a great thing for you as well as Instant shine or my fave mx138 liquid sunshine. > > You would have much more fun with MX292 and see where it lends you. > > Consider A314 as I am a fan of that, although some perfer the (LS) one, but both are made by AD. > > Check my journal for info and advice and really funny stories. > > -DJ > CCTX By the way, this guy is from the same town as me and I went out with him the other day, after showing me the biggest freaking collection of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) I have ever seen, or probably ever will see, we went into a bar with some pretty decent looking chics. He gets opened (she heard him talking about something completely different ) by some girl who is there talking to her date, now this girl is a new york 10, probably an la 9, by far the hottest girl that I saw that night (and we visited many places), within 5 minutes her date just takes off and he has her chasing him like mad, didnt even look like game. I’ll be honest with, you research guys need to step it up, I dont care about your instant open, or instant breakfast or any of that stuff, you need to make an “Instant DjAndarial” mix! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-i-am-already-a-jerk/37678/20 "2010-05-04T23:20:49Z")
> [@instinct](#): > > By the way, this guy is from the same town as me and I went out with him the other day, after showing me the biggest freaking collection of pheromones I have ever seen, or probably ever will see, we went into a bar with some pretty decent looking chics. > > He gets opened (she heard him talking about something completely different ) by some girl who is there talking to her date, now this girl is a new york 10, probably an la 9, by far the hottest girl that I saw that night (and we visited many places), within 5 minutes her date just takes off and he has her chasing him like mad, didnt even look like game. > > I’ll be honest with, you research guys need to step it up, I dont care about your instant open, or instant breakfast or any of that stuff, you need to make an “Instant DjAndarial” mix! Well, what he do? This is a vague statement. How bout some details about MR DJ, who I can assure and personally testify that although I have never seen him personally in action, just from talking to him he knows his stuff.