# What if my body produces a low amount of mones naturally? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 12, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758 "2010-08-12T13:48:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/21 "2010-08-23T18:51:18Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > I read somewhere in another thread an A314 user said it helped him to quit smoking. > However, leave yourself a vice…LOL you gotta have at least one, otherwise you go crazy. I guess your vice can be wild women. 😃 > > Dude we all need steering at one time or another. I try to surround myself with strong succesful types, people who will call me on my bullshit. I’ve got 4 very strong and determined people in my life who I am proud to call friends. Not one of them would ever consider not being honest with me. Is the anonymous negger back? I got negged for this response and I’m trying to figure out for the life of me why. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/22 "2010-08-24T11:24:08Z")
Time for an update: A: Tomorrow morning I will have my first yoga class. I am really excited and hope I will enjoy it. The more I read about yoga, the more it appeals to me. It looks like a total package for a healthy body and mind. B: Second thing, and I really need input on this one. Let me explain a little. Women always tell me stuff they also tell there friends. I think it has something to do with that they never see me in a sexual way. I am talking about hardcore friend zoning. I am just so ‘innocent’ and ‘safe’ they treat me like I am the gay friend they all want to have. So one of these friends of mine, lets call her “L”, is really open to me. I mean she is really really open with me, tells me everything. Ofcourse I am heavily infatuated. And she knows this. She calls me ‘too nice’ and too short (tho she calles a guy for booty call who is shorter then me) etc, you know the deal. Lately she is also telling me whenever she calls one of her ex bad boy ex’es. I know I should suck it up and break contact, but for the sake of science this must be played out. Too make a long story short : I am in deep crap. A couple of days ago we were talking over msn. Somehow she is always waaaaaay more open and friendly to me over the phone/msn then in real person. I havent really figured out why. Anyway, I havent got a clue how or why, but the conversation suddenly was about menstruation. So I went fishing. Within like 15 minutes I got all the info (I think I need). I now know when she had her last period and that she has a perfect cycle ( 28 days). In short: I know when she will be ovulating… My questions: A. Is it ‘evil’ to make use of this knowledge in my quest to become a man? To selectively use certain mones on certain times when I might see her? B. If the answer to question A is ‘no’: If I figured it out correctly, she will be ovulating in about two weeks. If I manage to see her then, shall I go heavy on the IJ? She is one of those women who consistently falls for the asshole guys. This is not me being bitter, she explicitly told me so and says she cannot change and she does not care. Then when I see her on pre-menstruating days en during menstruation, I go heavy on the rone right? I have a314. I will try anything, I’ve got nothing to lose anymore. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/23 "2010-08-24T17:44:36Z")
Friend zone is such a delicate issue. I’ve heard some people say that once you’re there that there is no way out, and others say that its possible but a lot of work. The work usually involves you basically disappearing out of their lives for about 6 months, show up with a whole new attitude (start negging immediately) and maybe even a girl on your arm. You reframe your entire situation, no more being a therapist, no more supplication, no more mr. nice guy. In the end is it worth it for one girl? If in a 6 month time frame you can find someone else to create the whole jealousy subplot, then why do you need that first girl? What I am trying to come to terms with myself when it comes to what is termed as oneitis (which unfortunately the category my present girl is falling under) is that when you get into that mindset, you have more than likely lost the battle. You make it so much more difficult for yourself to not come across as needy, manipulative, and in the end beta. You eventually just drive yourself nuts. It’s not her fault, she established the type of relationship she wants, and we guys sometimes just can’t get over that. But to answer your question. I’d say use whatever tools you have, including knowledge. We all pretty ourselves up somehow. New clothes, new haircut, women wear make up, high heel shoes, push up bras etc…go for it and let us know what happens. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 9:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/24 "2010-08-26T09:32:56Z")
Time for another update: I think I might have experienced a few slight a314 hits ! But first things first 😛 A: I had the yoga class yesterday morning. I went without mones. Didn’t know what to expect, so had no idea if what mones I should have applies anyway (if any). I really enjoyed it. The class calmed me down and I felt relaxed for a long time after. At the moment my back muscles are a bit sore. Not in a weightlifting way, but more in a ‘I didn’t know I had muscles there’ kinda way. This is a good thing, having developed back muscles is a must-have for good confident male posture. I think it straightens you up. The class was made out of twelve students and a teacher. One other guy and me were the only guys. Now that I am paying attention to body language, I noticed the other guy was very insecure. He arrived first, didn’t talk and wouldn’t look me in the eye. I feel a bit sorry for him. Dunno what else to say about him. There were only two girls my age in the class and they werent attractive. The other women were 40 and 50+. I think the main reason for this class composition is that is was in the morning during office hours. Girls my age have jobs and take evening classes. I am on the waiting list for the evening classes. I hope I can make the switch soon. Oh, and before I forget, the teacher is friggin hot. Has the body of a goddess. She is 34yo I think and really friendly . B: On to the a314 part ! Last night I was going to a friend’s place to have a guy’s footbal (soccer) and movie night. Another friend hitched a ride with me, because he has his license suspended. Before I left I applied 1,5-2 drops of a314. One drop on the lower arms/wrist. The rest on the jaw/nek/upper lip. I felt confident. Confident for me means, not being worried about certain outcomes and forget all the small issues I usually worry about. The friend we were going to wasnt answering his phone ( he does that alot and then I get annoyed). We had no way of knowing if he was home or not. So this took a little while. Somehow I texted him " we will be there at 9, you better open your door". Then we got in the car and I drove us to his house. He opened the door with a sleepy face, he had been napping. We made fun of his face and proceeded to do the guy stuff. We also watched a show of an American comedian Gabriel Iglesias. One of his jokes was about him peing pulled over by the police and not getting a ticket for some violation. He then stupidly asks the police “why not?”. Ofc one must never ask a cop this and just be glad you are off the hook. So his friends start to make fun of him. Fast forward to almost 12pm. I decided I wanted to go home. So I told my friend who came with me. His answer: “whenever you say so..”. This was unusual. In earlier times I would have gotten an answer like “lemme finish this beer”, or “who is twisting your tit?”. I got up and he followed me to my car. By the way ! When we arrived at the friend’s house (he lives on the sevent floor) I told him " Im going to take the stairs instead of the elevator, to burn some extra calories" He followed me on the stairs. This is very very unusual. He usually takes his car to across the street, so he doesnt have to walk. We arrive at my car and leave. It is dark now. I tell him when I start driving " man I cannot see crap". He replies “cuz your headlights aint working”. It appeared only my ‘city-lights’ were on and my regular headlamps didnt. He gets out in the rain to check everything but there was nothing to be done at that moment. Usually this would have brought me in holy-crap-what-must-I-do-now-mode. This time I didnt really care and said “get in, lets go home, I’ll take action tomorrow”. He agreed, got back in the car. He fastened his seatbelt when I told him to (he never wears one). Fast forward to when we are almost home. We had been joking during the ride about me always being such a law-abiding guy and him being pulled over a couple of times a month. When we are near the finish he shouts " BINGO BOLK". I ask wtf ? A police car just made a u-turn and came after me. I told him “this will be interesting, stuff like this never happens”. I get pulled over. I really wasn’t worried, tho this was the first time ever the cops pull me over. So I open my window and put my hands on the steering wheel (yes I’ve seen to many American cop reality shows 😛). The police officers (1 male, 1 female) tell me they noticed my headlamps werent at full strenght and they want to test my breath. Ofcourse I comply. My breath is clean (I dont drink) and they check my licence. And that was it.. So I ask them…“I dont get a ticket for the lights?”…at that moment my mate does the biggest facepalm ever witnessed in the Low Countries. And I realise I am such an idiot haha. The female officer first looked at me weird and then started laughing while she asked " Sir, do you waaant to get a ticket???" I told her " No , I shouldnt have asked. Have a nice evening". Then I drove us home. 🙂 So about last evening: my friends behaviour and the police encounter. Do these classify as a314 hits or not? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/25 "2010-08-26T11:27:08Z")
Good onya about the Yoga. I was doing “yoga” at home for awhile, it was more of an exercise DVD but I will take a real class soon. The club where I live a teacher offers classes there so I’ll check it out. I agree that the stronger back muscles will give you better posture, not to mention you will move much more gracefully and smoother, all together making you look more comfortable in your own skin, therefore confident and ultimately alpha. Now whether or not those are hits or not you’re gonna have to decide for yourself. While some of it does sound like self-effects and hits combined only you know how your friends would normally behave and if this is indicative of their baseline behavior. Also this was only one evening. So once again, while it sounds like possible hits, if this continues to happen more than once, and your mates just weren’t in a weird mood that one night then you’ve got yourself some bonafide hits. I kept reading about A314 beng this subtle mone, that it really starts to show results over time and in my experience this is true. I get more “hits” right now from stranger using A314 than I do with people who know me. I guess it would be very similar to a weight loss program. Those who see you every day won’t notice the few pounds you lose week by week but after a month will all of a sudden turn to you and say, “Hey, you’re losing weight aren’t you?” Your friends have you pegged already in their mind. Even if they lovingly accept who you are and have hopes, they have built up a wall of preconcieved notions and ideas on your limits and this will challenge that ever so subtly that it may take a few weeks to get their head wrapped around it and accept the new you and really start to act “beta” towards you. You should really congratulate yourself and give yourself a pat on the back it sounds like you’re really taking a hold of your life. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/26 "2010-08-30T04:07:51Z")
It sounds to me like the A314 is working for you. But some more pointers I would give you aside from the mones are this. 1. You needa learn to just be confident and love yourself for who you are. If YOU don’t love and respect yourself, how is a woman going to? Figure out what’s good about yourself and be proud of it, don’t sweat the things you aren’t good at. 2. Don’t live your life for women. Find what you want to dedicate your life to, follow it, and women will be attracted to that. Women don’t want a man to obsess over them. It’s a delicate balance that you need to achieve, wanting a woman, treating her right once you have her, but never, EVER being dependent on her. You’ll figure it out on your own. 3. There’s roughly 3 billion women in the world, go out and meet them. You won’t date every girl you meet, you might not sleep with every woman you date. But nothing will ever happen with women you don’t talk to. And like I said, there’s 3 billion of them, don’t ever sweat one girl for more than a second, its not worth it. Woman, and your relationships with them, are like flowers. They’re all unique, and absolutely beautiful, and they bring happiness to your life. But you need to have the ability to take care of them, and that comes from within you. If you don’t know how, go find out by experience. And when one flower wilts, go find another, they’re NOT in short supply. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/27 "2010-08-30T16:53:45Z")
> [@johnnyhammersticks](#): > > It sounds to me like the A314 is working for you. But some more pointers I would give you aside from the mones are this. > > 1. You needa learn to just be confident and love yourself for who you are. If YOU don’t love and respect yourself, how is a woman going to? Figure out what’s good about yourself and be proud of it, don’t sweat the things you aren’t good at. > > 2. Don’t live your life for women. Find what you want to dedicate your life to, follow it, and women will be attracted to that. Women don’t want a man to obsess over them. It’s a delicate balance that you need to achieve, wanting a woman, treating her right once you have her, but never, EVER being dependent on her. You’ll figure it out on your own. > > 3. There’s roughly 3 billion women in the world, go out and meet them. You won’t date every girl you meet, you might not sleep with every woman you date. But nothing will ever happen with women you don’t talk to. And like I said, there’s 3 billion of them, don’t ever sweat one girl for more than a second, its not worth it. > > Woman, and your relationships with them, are like flowers. They’re all unique, and absolutely beautiful, and they bring happiness to your life. But you need to have the ability to take care of them, and that comes from within you. If you don’t know how, go find out by experience. And when one flower wilts, go find another, they’re NOT in short supply. Thanks Gent and Hammer. I continue to appreciate the wise words. But like so many guys, I know the theoretical part by heart. It is the execution and implementation where I must move on to. I am like an armchair-warrior, or armchair-DonJuan LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/28 "2010-08-30T18:06:24Z")
I owe you guys a small update. Saturday I was talking to “L” (friend zone) on msn. I told her I wanted to go outside and do something. We decided to go out on a non-date. ( I consider IKEA a non-date 😛 ) In the end none of us bought anything, but is was fun. So as you know I am trying to be more alpha around her ( and everyone else ofc). When I left home I realised I need to get her accustomed to me giving of a -none sig. At home I applied: 2x a314 3x IH 3x Ammo regular F21 When I got out of my car to pick her up: 1x IJ There was no cover cologne This is 20mcg of -none right? ammo 3x2,5mcg + IJ 1x 12,5mcg ? This sounds like alot, but I had absolutely no negative self effects. I think I felt more confident, but that might be placebo, from reading the forum. But placebo is not a bad thing. Also I did not experience any negative effects on others. No aggression or other BS. And later in the day I met alot of people, while still wearing the mone sig. Apparently I can hold the -none well. So on to the IKEA trip. We spent 20 mins in the car I sprayed my IJ in. Plenty of time for her to have a good whiff. I realised usually when we go somewhere, she does the driving. No longer, I insisted to drive. No questions asked. When we move she normally walks in front and I ‘follow’. But it isnt really following, because she just walks faster then me. So I thought of a tactic to counter this. When she walks in front, I wander off, doing my own thing (like checking out something I like). This works. When she notices I am no longer around she has to look for me. She finds me, comes over and stands beside me. So she might walk faster, but I dictate the actual pace and direction. When men are hungry, they eat. We went into the restaurant. She only had coffee. I took the biggest piece of apple pie I could find. I remembered she once told discussing men’s eating habits with her best friend. They both concluded that men who eat alot are sexy. It means they had a busy day or a good workout. So guys, eat healthy when you can, and try to have your bodies in shape. But do not worry about this stuff when actually in front of a woman. When we were in the checkout line she stood next to me and asked: “do you have a new cologne?”. I nodded and replied: " not good?“. She said: " it is good !”. During the entire time together I would tease her. In the way a big brother would teae his little sister. E.g. when in the beds section she told me she would wake up sometimes in the middle of the night. Then I would reply: That is because you have a bad conscience !". What happened then is kinda new. She would push/slap me on the shoulder. And I would grin. This is a good thing right? 😃 This went on the entire time. I think I did good. When I dropped her off at home, she invited me in. But this is not unusual. I left when I decided to, not when she asked me so she could go do other stuff she had planned. This was only the third time she was exposed to my mones. But I am noticing she is less bitchy now. More sweet. I hope I am not imagining this. She had a date last friday with an ex-bf. She wondered why I wasnt asking about how it went. (I think they had sex)and that this was not very nice of me. I said I didnt care and she should dicuss the sex en guy thing with her girlfriends. I explicitly said to her that I am not one of those. Ofcourse I wanna know what happened and I hope the guys dies an agonizing death. But there is no point in me telling her that. Next wednesday we are having dinner together in a restaurant ( too bad I cannot call it a date). I am thinking of wearing the same mones as saturday. But I will do an extra spray of IJ. She starts ovulating somewhere around friday/saturday (how do I know this? look at an earlier post in this thread). Feels good to write about this !! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/29 "2010-08-30T18:11:12Z")
Doesn’t matter what you call it. That sounds like a date. ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/30 "2010-08-30T18:42:06Z")
> [@Bolkie](#): > > Thanks Gent and Hammer. I continue to appreciate the wise words. But like so many guys, I know the theoretical part by heart. It is the execution and implementation where I must move on to. I am like an armchair-warrior, or armchair-DonJuan LOL. Hey man, you’re stepping out there and making changes. We all learned to walk by trying to crawl, and if you’ve ever seen a baby crawl its kinda funny. Even then a lot of babies don’t do it right. They’ll end up going backwards. Progress is what’s important. To be a winning team all you need to do is win one more game than you lose and then you’re at 51% and that’s winning. When I analyze my day, that is honestly how I look at it. Did I win more than I lost, even if its just one more, that’s a successful day. Keep it up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/31 "2010-08-30T18:56:33Z")
> [@Bolkie](#): > > When she walks in front, I wander off, doing my own thing (like checking out something I like). This works. When she notices I am no longer around she has to look for me. She finds me, comes over and stands beside me. So she might walk faster, but I dictate the actual pace and direction. 😃 Pure genius dude. This is actually a very alpha thing to do and I say that from experience. I’ve got really strong friends, and its pushed me like the runt of the litter to fight for my turn at the tit. Anyway, this is something I notice they do. Jim my best friend he’ll just cut you off in mid sentence and start talking or wandering off elsewhere and it forces you to stay in hiw world, his frame, and follow. When I finally realized what he was doing, I learned to combat it and now when we go out somewhere, there’s a battle of wills going on…LOL I don’t know if he’s aware of it, or he’s aware that I’m aware and it’s like chess, there’s all this meta game theory going on in our heads trying to outplay the other. > [@Bolkie](#): > > Next wednesday we are having dinner together in a restaurant ( too bad I cannot call it a date). I am thinking of wearing the same mones as saturday. But I will do an extra spray of IJ. She starts ovulating somewhere around friday/saturday (how do I know this? look at an earlier post in this thread). > > Feels good to write about this !! P51 made the comment that it sounds like a date and yeah it does. Here comes the really tough part where you have to decide how much you care for this girl. Do you really want to jeopardize a friendship and try to move things forward, or are you willing to risk that for intimate relationship with her? You have to force yourself to this decision, because if you want her to be your girlfriend without losing a best friend then you’re going to end up without either. Why? Because you’re never going to escalate things to where they should be and take that chance, eventually driving yourself nuts in the process and start to resent her. That in turn will cause you to become manipulative, passive aggressive and on and on. However, if you choose you want this girl as more than a friend then you need to steal her frame and frame this as a date but make sure she knows how you view it. I have been in situations in the past where girls have all but sexed me up, but because I didn’t take the lead or frame it correctly and when I finally got the balls to, whether that was an hour later, or days later, their response was “I just wanted to be friends.” It sounds like you’re doing good, blah I don’t wanna screw you up. LOL but those are my thoughts, and maybe some other guys will chime in too. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/32 "2010-08-30T22:23:13Z")
About the alpha thing: I forgot to mention one other thing I did. I am that kind of guy that is never late for anything (punctual?). So whenever I go meet someone (e.g. “L”) I usually show up at the right time or earlier. Saturday I left home 15 minutes late on purpose. This made me pick her up 15 minutes late. When I parked my car close to her house, she phoned me. She was worried something had happened to me 😛 . I told her I had some stuff to do. I think showing up late at appointments gives a little power to the latecomer. I know I am annoyed as hell when someone is late. But that stuff is forgiven when the latecomer shruggs it off. About the not-so-date I dont know how to explain exactly. But the date ‘frame’ is definately not there. Thanks for using the word ‘frame’, this is exactly what I need to learn, to employ frames. We just decided we should have dinner together some time. And this will happen next wednesday. I made sure to do the reservation etc. (man do that). How would one introduce a date frame to this situation? I have never been on a date…I dont know what to do to create such a frame. Also, and this must be stressed. The stuff I told you in my opening post in this thread (never kissed, virgin, total lack of female attention), she knows all that… She figured it out on her own. She smelled the inexperience and other stuff on me. Two months ago she started asking questions etc. When I realised at that moment that I couldnt even fool her (I had been faking it?) I was struck by a severe depression (no kidding, real clinical fucked up shit). Which luckily I came out of within a month. She kinda helped me with that. By the way, she thinks I should go to a hooker and get it over with. I try to explain that that would only adress the symptoms and would not be a cure. She doesnt understand…(most people dont, and I dont blame them). So this is not a normal friend zone, it is way more complicated then that. ---
**Author:** ![johnnyhammersticks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e0b2c6/32.png) [@johnnyhammersticks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/johnnyhammersticks)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758/33 "2010-08-30T23:28:26Z")
Ok buddy, here’s my advice. If you want to get out of the friend-zone, stop accepting the frame that your relationship with her is “just friends”. Consider it a date, or just two people having dinner, but when you explicitly say “this isn’t a date” you set yourself up for failure. My advice for framing it as a date would be, early on say something to the effect of “This isn’t a date L, I don’t want you gettin the wrong idea.” Reverse psychology works, and if you show that you aren’t interested in her, it’ll make her want you more. It sounds like you made the right moves on the IKEA date, but you needa keep it going and even take it a little further. I was gonna ask if she knew about you being a virgin and all, that doesn’t kill you, but there’s a few things to keep in mind. 1. She may not want the emotional baggage of being your first. Not that she isn’t interested, it’s just another obstacle to overcome. If she asks you about it, don’t say something like “No girl ever wanted me.” Just say you have really high standards and haven’t found the right girl. 2. You could also deal with both those issues by just finding another girl. That’s one of the advantages to meeting a new woman, she knows nothing about you. It can feel weird having as little experience as you do and trying to be the alpha around a complete stranger, but think about it. For all she knows you’re a pornstar and you’ve fucked thousands of woman. If you meet a new woman, stay confident, you might have better luck that way. And bringing those two points together… 3. You and L have been friends for a while. You’ve always been completely non-sexual friends. So she knows she can count on you for emotional issues and everything, but the sexual part of it has just never factored into the equation. So how do you think she’s gonna feel if you guys go on a few semi-dates, and then outta nowhere you’re hooking up with some girl you just met? She’s gonna be jealous as hell. I would imagine she thinks you’re a great guy, and feels secure with the fact that you’re always there, and she can have you whenever/however she wants you. Well challenge that frame by finding another girl. That will also get rid of any resistance she might have had about being your first, in fact it may become jealousy that she wasn’t (women are funny like that). And one last thing, not major, but I would say don’t try to show up late. If you are late, shrug it off like you did, but don’t go out of your way to be late, that could become an unattractive quality. Do whatever you think is right, but I feel like what’s attractive is simply valuing your own time, running on your own schedule. So if you said you’d be there at 2, and it’s 1:50 but you’ve got shit to do still, do it and be there when you get there. But if you said you’d be somewhere at 2, don’t waste 15 minutes to get there at 2:15. ---
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> [@](#): > > And one last thing, not major, but I would say don’t try to show up late. If you are late, shrug it off like you did, but don’t go out of your way to be late, that could become an unattractive quality. Do whatever you think is right, but I feel like what’s attractive is simply valuing your own time, running on your own schedule. So if you said you’d be there at 2, and it’s 1:50 but you’ve got shit to do still, do it and be there when you get there. But if you said you’d be somewhere at 2, don’t waste 15 minutes to get there at 2:15. This I would definitely agree with, one major attribute to being alpha is integrity. I did a post on this in my A314 journal in the private forum, but I will share a bit of it here: > [@](#): > > As true alphas, we are asking those in our realm to accept us in a position of authority over them. This is a great responsibility to take up. > As a leader and role model at work, and in my family, I have far too often displayed the example of “do as I say and not as I do.” > > One of the younger men who I work with came to me the other day and told me how he wanted to start learning some of the tasks of a manager at Starbucks, that he had plans on moving up the ranks. > > I commended him on his choice to better himself and offered my full [support](https://a314.com/) , but I also advised him that if he wanted to be a manager, a good leader, then he couldn’t wait to embody those qualities when someone bestowed that title on him, that he had to embody those qualities now, and it would be up to him to set the example for his team members. > > After speaking to him, I realized that while for the most part I set a pretty good example, pretty good is just not good enough, once again I needed to follow my own advice. > > A true alpha male is imbued with confidence, and that confidence comes from having integrity which is defined as having a moral code, and in a state of being complete, undivided. > > When a ship’s hull lacks integrity, it is not structurally sound and is subject to leaking, or even worse, giving way causing it to sink. > > **When you lack integrity, you are not structurally sound, it is a weakness in your hull and while you may pretend to have confidence, if you don’t fix the issue you will sink.** > > Regardless, that weakness will seep through in a lack of congruence, which will manifest itself in others whether that is your parent, sibling, child, lover, wife, co-worker, whomever, as lack of trust. > > While they will want to respect you, and will want to follow your lead, they will doubt you. > > I must fix my hull and regain my integrity. If punctuality is a part of your value system, then keep it. If it is however an issue with you being too overeager, and giving all those around you too much value, then address that part of the issue while still being punctual. I’m like you, if my work schedule says 3:30, I’m there at 3:00. If a party starts at 9, and we all know the cool people aren’t showing up until 10 or 11, I’m there at 8:45 🙄. I just don’t like being late, and I can’t tolerate it when others do it to me. I find it inconsiderate that they value their time more than yours. If its an occasional issue, like your friend who’s on time 9 times out of 10, no big whoop. But I have a friend who is late every single time, one time I was waiting for 45 minutes at lunch time, only to find out he went back to sleep for a nap. However, the other day when I showed up “late,” due to miscommunication (he wasn’t answering his phone yet again) I’m on my way and kept getting texts, “You here yet?” “How long you gonna be?” It was intersting for him to have a taste of his own medicine. Anyway, maintain your value system, never give that up for anyone. ---
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Good stuff guys. Well, I’ll keep the latecomer thing a one time only then 🙂 But still it was fun for once. I am really looking forward to the dinner tomorrow. I am thinking of 1x a314 3x ammo 2x IJ maybe some shine [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-if-my-body-produces-a-low-amount-of-mones-naturally/40758.md?page=1)