# What is OD on AMMO really? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 5, 2010, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349 "2010-05-05T07:23:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/1 "2010-05-05T07:23:18Z")
OK, So I have AMMO (2x) …free upgrade. nice thanks Androtics. I’ve yet to see any hits or desired results per se. Now I’m trying to see what ODing will look like so I know the signs…as of yet, I can’t see what any signs would be. In the past I tried 4 sprays of AMMO double strength!, to OD and I got effects such as high school girls just staring at me in awe. And old ladies saying hello outta no where…and a man just keeping on looking over at me people just looking…are these signs of OD? cause frankly seemed like a good thing, but at 34 am I THAT low on mones…i need 8 sprays of regular AMMO to get anything? I’ve read OD can also give the impression that you dont have ANY mones on. I understand the idea to not preconceive. But, in science, a+b=ab and BAM everyone know to take aspirin when you have a headache, works differently on different people but generally give the same result, …in the case of these phermones, with so many variables in the world. If one doesn’t have a clear idea of what to expect how can you be sure? So can I get a clear answer? what does ODing on AMMO look like? Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/2 "2010-05-05T10:39:03Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > OK, So I have AMMO (2x) …free upgrade. nice thanks Androtics. > > I’ve yet to see any hits or desired results per se. Now I’m trying to see what ODing will look like so I know the signs…as of yet, I can’t see what any signs would be. In the past I tried 4 sprays of AMMO double strength!, to OD and I got effects such as high school girls just staring at me in awe. And old ladies saying hello outta no where…and a man just keeping on looking over at me people just looking…are these signs of OD? cause frankly seemed like a good thing, but at 34 am I THAT low on mones…i need 8 sprays of regular AMMO to get anything? I’ve read OD can also give the impression that you dont have ANY mones on. > > I understand the idea to not preconceive. But, in science, a+b=ab and BAM everyone know to take aspirin when you have a headache, works differently on different people but generally give the same result, …in the case of these phermones, with so many variables in the world. If one doesn’t have a clear idea of what to expect how can you be sure? > > So can I get a clear answer? what does ODing on AMMO look like? Anyone? Simply put… Ghosting, Avoidance, High aggression from males. If you try OD around people you know decently well you will notice the difference no matter male or female. It’s really something more to see and experience than to actually explain. Ghosting is pretty much the idea of having so much [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) on that its like not having them on. This is mostly Androstenone related and its not to say you couldn’t get any regular hits although the majority of people will not respond will to this sort of OD. Anone OD is the most well known and experienced of any. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/3 "2010-05-05T13:04:23Z")
I OD’d on TuTH a couple of days in a row not long ago. The effects were fairly obvious. I still got a couple of hits, the intensity of the hits was pretty damned high but outside of the very few women who were very receptive to a high none signature I noticed people tended to stay at least 6 feet away whenever possible. Interaction with me was minimal and only when absolutely necessary or when I forced the issue. As for your natural none signature, age is part of it but your overall health and/hygiene can be a factor as well. If you’re in poor health your hormone levels can be exceptionally low. Likewise if you’re extremely clean after a shower you’ve probably washed off most of your natural mones anyway. I do this because A.) I like testing the products as close to their true ratio’s as possible and B.) I live in central cali so it gets pretty warm here and I sweat a lot naturally so mid day BO can be an issue unless I scrub away as much dead skin and oils as possible. 4 Sprays of 2X ammo is about 20 mcg of none. Buffered with Rone and Nol [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) is 15 mcg of almost pure none unbuffered save for some steering molecules. So it’s only slighty more none, but it’s still buffered none. It’d be like using equal parts A314, IJ and IO. The only thing I can figure is the environment might be a factor. If it’s not warm or humid enough the mones you apply might not be diffusing at a good rate so it takes a larger application in order to get a decent sized cloud. Also outdoors, especially if there’s a decent breeze your mones could be getting dispersed over too large an area to really be either effective or identifiable with you. Warm and fairly humid=good Enclosed spaces=good Cool weather or outdoors, you might need a heavier application to compensate for environmental factors. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/4 "2010-05-05T17:09:50Z")
I have od’ed on IJ. Put me in an absolute rage, to the point where I just got up and left the bar I was in because I thought it was stupid and a waste of my time despite not knowing what to do with myself when I left. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/5 "2010-05-05T17:58:10Z")
Pretty hard to OD on [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) 1X as the androstenone dose is so weak. If you sprayed on enough to OD, you’d OD from the cologne scent first. ---
**Author:** ![Stud\_Muffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@Stud\_Muffin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Stud_Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/6 "2010-05-05T18:06:31Z")
So is it possible that in some cases like Ammo for example, the more you use, the more hit’s you get? ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/7 "2010-05-05T18:12:56Z")
An Ammo OD: You stop seeing effects, people are taking less interest in you than normal and more interest to those in your proximity. When you OD moderately on anone, other people seem to benefit and steal your hits. You get frustrated by both the anone and lack of hits and nothing you can do will start generating hits. A wasted night. It isn’t fun but it isn’t the end of the world either. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/8 "2010-05-05T18:25:06Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I OD’d on TuTH a couple of days in a row not long ago. The effects were fairly obvious. I still got a couple of hits, the intensity of the hits was pretty damned high but outside of the very few women who were very receptive to a high none signature I noticed people tended to stay at least 6 feet away whenever possible. Interaction with me was minimal and only when absolutely necessary or when I forced the issue. > > As for your natural none signature, age is part of it but your overall health and/hygiene can be a factor as well. If you’re in poor health your hormone levels can be exceptionally low. Likewise if you’re extremely clean after a shower you’ve probably washed off most of your natural mones anyway. > I do this because A.) I like testing the products as close to their true ratio’s as possible and B.) I live in central cali so it gets pretty warm here and I sweat a lot naturally so mid day BO can be an issue unless I scrub away as much dead skin and oils as possible. > 4 Sprays of 2X ammo is about 20 mcg of none. Buffered with Rone and Nol > Instant Jerk is 15 mcg of almost pure none unbuffered save for some steering molecules. > So it’s only slighty more none, but it’s still buffered none. It’d be like using equal parts A314, IJ and IO. > The only thing I can figure is the environment might be a factor. If it’s not warm or humid enough the mones you apply might not be diffusing at a good rate so it takes a larger application in order to get a decent sized cloud. Also outdoors, especially if there’s a decent breeze your mones could be getting dispersed over too large an area to really be either effective or identifiable with you. > Warm and fairly humid=good > Enclosed spaces=good > Cool weather or outdoors, you might need a heavier application to compensate for environmental factors. Nice, okay now we’re talking. So AMMO(2x) at 2 sprays is 10 mcg of none but with A1 & Nols to buffer. none= sex Rone=…what does it equal? Nols= IO type stuff yes? I’ve been working backwards, so my logical next step is just one spray of AMMO(2x) by itself. "which would be great for my pocket book if thats a sweetspot. So really no need to add anything else except maybe my normal 2 drops of A314 but then I’d be adding about 5 more mcgs of none yes? or maybe I should p79 to stregnthen the result would be better, so AMMO (2x) & P79 ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/9 "2010-05-05T18:28:04Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Pretty hard to OD on Ammo 1X as the androstenone dose is so weak. If you sprayed on enough to OD, you’d OD from the cologne scent first. I have AMMO(2x) I’m using 2 sprays of that on top of my normal 2 drops A314 and then once I get out I’ll spray 2 sprays of to-go IS ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/10 "2010-05-05T18:29:36Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > An Ammo OD: You stop seeing effects, people are taking less interest in you than normal and more interest to those in your proximity. When you OD moderately on anone, other people seem to benefit and steal your hits. You get frustrated by both the anone and lack of hits and nothing you can do will start generating hits. A wasted night. It isn’t fun but it isn’t the end of the world either. Hmm, nice thanks reps for you too! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/11 "2010-05-05T18:52:03Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > I got effects such as high school girls just staring at me in awe. And old ladies saying hello outta no where…and a man just keeping on looking over at me people just looking…are these signs of OD? That’s no overdose, that’s a really great IOI. I have this effect with Primal Instinct (1 drop=25mcg none) and 4x heavy ammo is in your age and with high rone and anol, somewhat safe when you have this effects. You can also add [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) or TAA. I never have aggressive reaction with really high none, more subservience. Ghosting effect is more with really high sexual none, like NPA or TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/12 "2010-05-05T19:02:51Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > I have AMMO(2x) > > I’m using 2 sprays of that on top of my normal 2 drops A314 > > and then once I get out I’ll spray 2 sprays of to-go IS That is on the heavy side. MAny guys would OD or be borderline. However, it really depends on your body chemistry and persona. A mellow charming guy with low natural androstenone output can get away with much high doses than a hairy, stinky and in your face type. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/13 "2010-05-06T04:43:27Z")
There is no A1 in Ammo…pity cause I think that would enhance it further but no A1. Rone seems to equate maturity, and social dominance where None equates more physical dominance. Nols are social communication mones, Alpha nol is the main ingredient in [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), Beta Nol is the main ingredient in Instant Honesty. A314 is 23mcg of mones, about 80% Rone. The none in it is pretty minuscule from what I hear. So two drops of A314 with a single spray of Ammo 2x should actually be a pretty good mix. You’re basically laying a foundation with the A314 that says I’m a high status, high value alpha male. A single shot of Ammo or Heavy Ammo add’s None which implies both physical dominance and sexual fitness/desire. BUT fortunately for every microgram of None you add with Ammo, you add an equal portion of Rone so the ratio, which is as important if not moreso than the total quantity isn’t thrown off too much. The nols from the Ammo give it a light touch of approachability that doesn’t risk killing the dominant aura of the A314 like a full spray of IO might. I can’t speak on P79, I never tried it. However a few putatives I plan in trying that are P93, P75, P86 and P83 depending on if I want more status, or more attraction. > [@happytappin](#): > > Nice, okay now we’re talking. So AMMO(2x) at 2 sprays is 10 mcg of none but with A1 & Nols to buffer. > > none= sex > Rone=…what does it equal? > Nols= IO type stuff yes? > > I’ve been working backwards, so my logical next step is just one spray of AMMO(2x) by itself. "which would be great for my pocket book if thats a sweetspot. > > So really no need to add anything else except maybe my normal 2 drops of A314 but then I’d be adding about 5 more mcgs of none yes? or maybe I should p79 to stregnthen the result would be better, so AMMO (2x) & P79 ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/14 "2010-05-06T04:53:30Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > There is no A1 in Ammo…pity cause I think that would enhance it further but no A1. > > Rone seems to equate maturity, and social dominance where None equates more physical dominance. Nols are social communication mones, Alpha nol is the main ingredient in Instant Openness, Beta Nol is the main ingredient in Instant Honesty. > > A314 is 23mcg of mones, about 80% Rone. The none in it is pretty minuscule from what I hear. So two drops of A314 with a single spray of Ammo 2x should actually be a pretty good mix. > You’re basically laying a foundation with the A314 that says I’m a high status, high value alpha male. > A single shot of Ammo or Heavy Ammo add’s None which implies both physical dominance and sexual fitness/desire. BUT fortunately for every microgram of None you add with Ammo, you add an equal portion of Rone so the ratio, which is as important if not moreso than the total quantity isn’t thrown off too much. > The nols from the Ammo give it a light touch of approachability that doesn’t risk killing the dominant aura of the A314 like a full spray of IO might. I can’t speak on P79, I never tried it. > However a few putatives I plan in trying that are P93, P75, P86 and P83 > depending on if I want more status, or more attraction. Awesome!, reps for you man. That is exactly the type of info that helps me dose myself. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![reborn\_alchemist93](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reborn_alchemist93/32/2150_2.png) [@reborn\_alchemist93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reborn_alchemist93)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-od-on-ammo-really/38349/15 "2010-05-11T00:52:16Z")
If it counts, when I sprayed Ammo without waiting 15 minutes for it to die down, the scent can be very strong and I’ve gotten few negative reactions if I don’t wait for it to die down before going into contact with people.