# What is P83 like or similar to.? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 20, 2014, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431 "2014-03-20T03:36:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/1 "2014-03-20T03:36:17Z")
I’m trying to get to the bottom of my issue with P83. I know that many claim disinhibiting effects and/or boosters for other -mones.. But is it similar in composition to another [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). Is there something in IS that is similar to P83 or is P83 in there.? ---
**Author:** ![Elvenrunelord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Elvenrunelord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elvenrunelord)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/2 "2014-03-20T05:02:17Z")
No p83 in Shine. As to what it is, I can’t tell you. You will be disappointed in p83 solo. I’ve heard that all the wild reports on p83 solo were faked so people could sit back and watch the herd report it to be in the in crowd. Heard that from 2 reliable sources. lol ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/3 "2014-03-20T05:15:41Z")
> [@Elvenrunelord](#): > > No p83 in Shine. As to what it is, I can’t tell you. > > You will be disappointed in p83 solo. I’ve heard that all the wild reports on p83 solo were faked so people could sit back and watch the herd report it to be in the in crowd. Heard that from 2 reliable sources. lol I don’t even see a great lot out of it in most mixes, so I’m sure it’s pretty much useless on it’s own. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/4 "2014-03-20T09:16:02Z")
[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is one of the pheros that sits in a class of its own and there is no direct alternative. P103 is maybe the nearest for physical disinhibition and is the one I keep as a standby for when P83 is in drought but its harder-hitting and not nearly so smooth, so more liable to backfire on you and have the subject suddenly draw-back. It also stinks of ripe cheese to many guys. P83 is in MX353 at a fairly healthy dose and while back, John confirmed it is in A314 as a steering molecule and as P83 actually appears in a majority of the released MX formulas, I reckon it could well be in several more consumer products. ---
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 10:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/5 "2014-03-20T10:40:10Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is very subtle solo,didn’t see much.but it’s best with sexual mixes.that’s when 83 show it true colour.but it’s also a double edged sword.some women get really confused and a turn off ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/6 "2014-03-20T12:24:17Z")
> [@Elvenrunelord](#): > > No p83 in Shine. As to what it is, I can’t tell you. > > You will be disappointed in p83 solo. I’ve heard that all the wild reports on p83 solo were faked so people could sit back and watch the herd report it to be in the in crowd. Heard that from 2 reliable sources. lol I know which source you mean … do you have evidence that what was said there is true ? Unfortunately nobody can ask Tacitus anymore ☹ **Pago** ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/7 "2014-03-20T16:01:55Z")
So what sort of negative drawbacks could I see from [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/).? Is there anything I could keep an eye out for to tell whether it’s not working.? ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/8 "2014-03-20T16:54:39Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > So what sort of negative drawbacks could I see from P83.? > Is there anything I could keep an eye out for to tell whether it’s not working.? A negative comment about you, people say more what they think. The combination of molecules with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) are important. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/9 "2014-03-20T17:00:15Z")
> [@Elvenrunelord](#): > > No p83 in Shine. As to what it is, I can’t tell you. > > You will be disappointed in p83 solo. I’ve heard that all the wild reports on p83 solo were faked so people could sit back and watch the herd report it to be in the in crowd. Heard that from 2 reliable sources. lol Simple question, what you hear from your source about [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), what you can’t read here about P83. Think it over. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/10 "2014-03-20T18:01:49Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > So what sort of negative drawbacks could I see from P83.? > Is there anything I could keep an eye out for to tell whether it’s not working.? Mostly the only negatives from [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) are that you get nothing - This is most likely when its worn in situations where getting physical and escalating is inappropriate or unsuitable - typically at work or in polite/formal situations. Simply, don’t use P83 where you can’t escalate, escalate and escalate! Otherwise, as Leon mentions above, too much P83 in a mix can be confusing/cause them to back-off. That’s why a bit of work in establishing your dose range for various pheros is good as less P83 suits more social mixes, whilst more is often better with very overt sexuals or high-status. Also, over about 100mcg, subjects become disinhibited to the point of disinclination, where they just baff-around you doing not very much and not respond well to anything. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_Hunt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Duke\_Hunt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Duke_Hunt)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2014, 11:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/11 "2014-10-04T11:12:09Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Mostly the only negatives from P83 are that you get nothing - This is most likely when its worn in situations where getting physical and escalating is inappropriate or unsuitable - typically at work or in polite/formal situations. Simply, don’t use P83 where you can’t escalate, escalate and escalate! > > Otherwise, as Leon mentions above, too much P83 in a mix can be confusing/cause them to back-off. That’s why a bit of work in establishing your dose range for various pheros is good as less P83 suits more social mixes, whilst more is often better with very overt sexuals or high-status. > > Also, over about 100mcg, subjects become disinhibited to the point of disinclination, where they just baff-around you doing not very much and not respond well to anything. Am I right in assuming that [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) would be a good complement to something like TUTH later on in the night from a to-go, once it’s appropriate to escalate to something sexual? If that’s the case was does would you recommend for the two for a first time round test? ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/12 "2015-03-03T06:44:47Z")
> [@Elvenrunelord](#): > > No p83 in Shine. As to what it is, I can’t tell you. > > You will be disappointed in p83 solo. I’ve heard that all the wild reports on p83 solo were faked so people could sit back and watch the herd report it to be in the in crowd. Heard that from 2 reliable sources. lol p83 works great for me, I live in Baltimore nothing to do with these people. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/13 "2015-03-03T11:35:29Z")
> [@Duke\_Hunt](#): > > Am I right in assuming that P83 would be a good complement to something like TUTH later on in the night from a to-go, once it’s appropriate to escalate to something sexual? > > If that’s the case was does would you recommend for the two for a first time round test? Yes, that’s more or less exactly how I use it. Start the night with less [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) in the mix, then boost both it and any sexual as things get more raunchy. Depending on how much TUTH, I’d usually use 30-40mcg P83 alongside 2 sprays 2x TUTH in an overt sexual or status/sexual mix and maybe add a bit more as the escalation builds, up to about 60/80mcg. If I was starting from a more social mix, I would use less - maybe 20-30mcg P83 but again I’d boost that along with any overt sexual. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2015, 1:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/14 "2015-03-03T13:19:30Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) has a lot of overlap with TAL. I think TAL is more consistent. Try 2.5-5 mcg of TAL, you’ll see what I’m talking about. Then try going higher and see how women get all ADHD. TAL works all by itself, and also really changes the direction of a mix. Diffusion is excellent. It’s like the ladies’s version of P75. P83 does do things, but I don’t think it diffuses very well at higher levels. Windy day? Solo test? Forget about it. However like many putatives, some people will see more reaction to it than others. However there are a lot of mixes with like 5-10 mcg of P83 in there (same level of TAL I’d recommend), and that seems to work well to add some disinhibition to the mix - it does seem to add a little spice. From what I’ve seen, you really need some P75 and eNone alongside to really light the spark. The disinhibiiton w/ P83 seems more verbal (like a sex chat line), where as TAL is a bit more physical. TAL on the dancefloor, ladies are going to be all over that. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/15 "2015-03-05T06:34:01Z")
If I had to guess p83 is beta androstenone and stanone. It works like a none and stanone combo. ---
**Author:** ![ywork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/45deac/32.png) [@ywork](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ywork)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/16 "2015-04-02T02:46:48Z")
Is [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) ever going to be available again for purchase? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/17 "2015-04-02T17:39:23Z")
A few weeks back, they did say (Mickaelia IIRC?) that it could be two or three months yet. ---
**Author:** ![Journey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/db5fbb/32.png) [@Journey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Journey)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/18 "2015-05-01T05:23:57Z")
Do you or anyone else think there is a close enough work appropriate mone to p83? This stuff is gold to me in a work environment. Yes, a work environment. 🙂 > [@mobocaster](#): > > P83 is one of the pheros that sits in a class of its own and there is no direct alternative. > > P103 is maybe the nearest for physical disinhibition and is the one I keep as a standby for when P83 is in drought but its harder-hitting and not nearly so smooth, so more liable to backfire on you and have the subject suddenly draw-back. It also stinks of ripe cheese to many guys. > > P83 is in MX353 at a fairly healthy dose and while back, John confirmed it is in A314 as a steering molecule and as P83 actually appears in a majority of the released MX formulas, I reckon it could well be in several more consumer products. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2015, 9:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/19 "2015-05-01T09:24:41Z")
> [@Journey](#): > > Do you or anyone else think there is a close enough work appropriate mone to p83? This stuff is gold to me in a work environment. Yes, a work environment. 🙂 Give it a go is all I can say. Its certainly got the physical aspects of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) but harsher, so a lower starting dose is in order. The one other thing with P103 is that a small subset of people can smell it very strongly and if they do its a rank, cheese rind stink that will cut through any cover in a fairly short time. Again this is less of a problem when around emotionally fired-up people when out but might be more of an issue in a work environment? ---
**Author:** ![UFO1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@UFO1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UFO1)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431/20 "2015-05-03T02:50:38Z")
Aw that’s nasty my boyfriend and I ordered some P103 to see if it would replicate p83 because he liked it a lot, so much so that I used it all pretty quickly. Although had I known that p103 smelled gross I may not have ordered… As for reports of p83 being faked in think that’s probably not true because it works exactly as I’ve read it has, though if teb reports were faked that’s kind of messed up because people who are in charge of the website shouldn’t fake things just to see if people are faking their reports, People spend their money on these [pheromones](https://a314.com/) and if there’s a bunch of fake reports about the effects of certain pheromones some people may get irritated at being duped into thinking the stuff they just bought did something it didn’t do. I get that it’s a research project for a company but they should have some respect for the people who buy it too for sure. I just don’t like the idea of faked reports.. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-p83-like-or-similar-to/61431.md?page=2)