# What is the best -none alternative? p79, p83, p86, p88, p93 **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [September 20, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913 "2010-09-20T20:57:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phlemen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phlemen/32/1718_2.png) [@Phlemen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phlemen)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/1 "2010-09-20T20:57:46Z")
Hello, I’m pretty sure that I naturally produce enough of my own -none naturally. Since it seems that most pheromones oxidize into -none anyway, I would rather not wear it on purpose, and put off people that are sensitive. I know that most of the putatives that I listed are not available, but I’m looking for a reference point for the future. So that when I read “p667 is just like p88 only better!” I have a better understanding of what that means. I think that I may need to create my own mixes from individual “raw” pheromones to get what I’m looking for. Androstadienone, Androsterone, A&B Androstenol, plus a putative or two. I know that since I’m a noob, I should just stick to the instant line, but here are my issues with each one: A314 = too expensive and contains -none Ammo = Why does it have to be a cologne? I’m just not into colognes, and it doesn’t look like you can get it unscented TUTH, [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) = inappropriate The rest = I like them and will most likely buy them again, but they are not sexual. I’m looking for something that makes women think of me in a sexual light, without necessarily being turned on right then and there. Isn’t this the mission of Androtics? Finding this Holy Grail? Here is what I have put together about the putatives I listed from reading this forum: p79 = intensifier. what happens when you wear it solo? How does it compare to TAF? p83 = disinhibitor? the only putative that I have tried. Women are friendlier, but not sexual enough. I could probably get away with wearing this at work. I usually wear 20 mcg. p86 = makes everyone better looking? skeptical. p88 = sounds perfect! but … it … hasn’t … been… available… for… months… p93 = high purity version of p88 that may put off a gay vibe if OD. I definitely don’t want that. I’m a pretty boy, and need to remain as masculine as possible. Hope I didn’t stir up the pot! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/2 "2010-09-20T23:55:53Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m pretty sure that I naturally produce enough of my own -none naturally. Since it seems that most pheromones oxidize into -none anyway, I would rather not wear it on purpose, and put off people that are sensitive All [pheromones](https://a314.com/) dont convert into Androstenone. Most of the synthetic mones will diffuse off your body way before conversion can occur unless you spray it in your pits. However… Its fine if you choose not to use it. There are plenty of other fun molecules you can play with but if the reason is worry over the OD effect there is no need to worry. Your 30 and your natural levels are stable and actually beginning to decline slowly. You wont OD on it unless you never shower or use way to much. > [@](#): > > A314 = too expensive and contains -none It is expensive but it only has trace amounts of Androstenone. If the price is a issue thats understandable but dont avoid it because of anone. > [@](#): > > Ammo = Why does it have to be a cologne? I’m just not into colognes, and it doesn’t look like you can get it unscented Well they do have unscented in the custom additions part of the store but unscented with pheromones doesn’t mean no scent. Pheromones are smelly, they mimic body secretions. You still need to use a scent with it though to act as a binder and carrier. > [@](#): > > The rest = I like them and will most likely buy them again, but they are not sexual. I’m looking for something that makes women think of me in a sexual light, without necessarily being turned on right then and there. Isn’t this the mission of Androtics? Finding this Holy Grail? LOL No the mission of androtics is to spread happiness and make the world more harmonious. Seriously it is. > [@](#): > > p79 = intensifier. what happens when you wear it solo? It intensifies what ever your already feeling. So if your horny it will intensify that but if you in a bad mood it will also intensify that. > [@](#): > > p83 = disinhibitor? the only putative that I have tried. Women are friendlier, but not sexual enough. I could probably get away with wearing this at work. I usually wear 20 mcg. P83 is also very sensual. If you still have some watch people’s body language when they are exposed to it. > [@](#): > > p86 = makes everyone better looking? skeptical. I dont find that. I find it makes people’s visual outlook better but it doesn’t make you “look” any different. > [@](#): > > p88 = sounds perfect! but … it … hasn’t … been… available… for… months… I find P88 to be rather cold and introverted. Not sexual at all. > [@](#): > > p93 = high purity version of p88 that may put off a gay vibe if OD. I definitely don’t want that. I’m a pretty boy, and need to remain as masculine as possible. Now this one has more sexual tendencies then most the others. Many women find this one arousing. My vote would be for P93 and P83 in your mix. Don’t skimp on socials. They are want propels arousal into sex for women. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 12:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/3 "2010-09-21T00:53:57Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Now this one has more sexual tendencies then most the others. Many women find this one arousing. > > My vote would be for P93 and P83 in your mix. > > Don’t skimp on socials. They are want propels arousal into sex for women. > > Tisha Ms Tisha Your expert opinion, what dosages have you found [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) to be effective? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/4 "2010-09-21T01:17:28Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Ms Tisha > > Your expert opinion, what dosages have you found P93 to be effective? I use 15 to 20 mcg’s It will probably vary for guys though. It doesnt give me the same aroused feeling as Androtenone. Androtenone is more urgent. Its like a scratch you have to get itched if you understand my meaning. LOL [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) has a slower sweeter burn to it. Its attractive arousing but not as urgent Tisha ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/5 "2010-09-21T01:37:56Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I use 15 to 20 mcg’s It will probably vary for guys though. > > It doesnt give me the same aroused feeling as Androtenone. > > Androtenone is more urgent. Its like a scratch you have to get itched if you understand my meaning. LOL > > P93 has a slower sweeter burn to it. Its attractive arousing but not as urgent > > Tisha I was using about 10-20 mcgs, I wasn’t sure if I shoulda used more but going by Steve’s ICM mixes that seemed to be the sweet spot. That alone with [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) worked pretty well for me ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/6 "2010-09-21T12:42:19Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is no more a cologne than any of the others. You can get most unfragranced but mones need a scent to latch onto and carry it off of you. Honestly if Tuth is too inappropriate I would go with ammo… I have tons of different stuff but still think Ammo is the one of the best attractants. Gotta remember these aren’t ‘love potions’, they’re here to help us get into the social mix a bit more and honestly make things brighter… which I think these products help you do quite a bit. You still have to start conversations and do the whole bit, no one’s going to just throw themselves on you, unless they were going to anyways. Still have to make things happen yourself 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/7 "2010-09-23T01:48:59Z")
If you haven’t tried [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) yet, your just harming yourself. Forget the name, it is quite an effective product that I really have not seen any bad results from at 1 spray, despite the high dose of -none. Tisha made me want to wear some P93 tomorrow lol. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/8 "2010-09-23T04:07:52Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > If you haven’t tried Instant Jerk yet, your just harming yourself. Forget the name, it is quite an effective product that I really have not seen any bad results from at 1 spray, despite the high dose of -none. > > Tisha made me want to wear some P93 tomorrow lol. I gotta try IJ and P93 ---
**Author:** ![Phlemen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phlemen/32/1718_2.png) [@Phlemen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phlemen)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/9 "2010-09-24T02:40:55Z")
Thanks for the help! 🙂 INTERESTING I was reading about -none, and it looks like there are 2 kinds??? androstAnone instead of androstEnone a-none, and e-none? Which type does Androtics use and why? I just ordered (and received already!) Ammo. I figured that it was only fair to give that one a try before trying to get all scientific. The FF22 isn’t bad actually. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-best-none-alternative-p79-p83-p86-p88-p93/41913/10 "2010-09-24T17:52:38Z")
You may want to look into [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) as well. Works in lower dosages. I just tested. Definitely had a strong masculine affect for me. My wife seemed to like it too. Also got some great hits from other women, but I couldn’t tell you where they would have led since I didn’t follow through.