# What is the difference between IO and SOE **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 18, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-io-and-soe/44666 "2011-01-18T05:40:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-io-and-soe/44666/1 "2011-01-18T05:40:42Z")
I already have SOE. I wish to add some more talk to my IS/[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) combo and was recommended IO as its not as deep and serious as IH. With SOE I always felt I was a wimp and got walked over a lot, is IO more masculine talk? Also is IO just gab or can you actually get a connection going? dsouza ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-io-and-soe/44666/2 "2011-01-18T07:05:24Z")
SOE has some rone and it is in an oil version, so it lasts longer but diffuses slower. Add some -none like TUTH, and you should be good to go 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-io-and-soe/44666/3 "2011-01-18T07:56:00Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I already have SOE. I wish to add some more talk to my IS/Ammo combo and was recommended IO as its not as deep and serious as IH. > > With SOE I always felt I was a wimp and got walked over a lot, is IO more masculine talk? Also is IO just gab or can you actually get a connection going? > > dsouza From my understanding. SOE is Alpha Androstenol. If you’re looking to add more talk, I’m guessing you mean that you want more socialness with your mix. IO from my experiences with conversations have more of a non-serious, very basic level of openness. Many people here have said it has some beta effects (not confused with beta-androstenol) in their interactions. My personal preference when going out, especially anything added on to AMMO/IS, would be [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)/Beta Nol. The conversations are better, more interesting (if led that way) and a better connection. It’s akin to the girl saying “Oh he was a good talker” vs “I feel like we connected” Also, disregard that TUTH recommendation, I don’t know how anyone with any sort of pheromone use experience would recommend TUTH for your stated intended purpose. TUTH has its place in mixes, but not the one for which you asked. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 8:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-io-and-soe/44666/4 "2011-01-18T08:24:58Z")
SOE is 4mg of anol and 1 mg of arone. IO is primarily anol with some Bnol. > [@](#): > > With SOE I always felt I was a wimp and got walked over a lot, is IO more masculine talk? IO influences more talk yes but its neither masculine nor feminine talk. I am surprised that it SOE made you feel wimpy. Could it possibly be the scent of the cover is not masculine enough ? The arone in it is more then enough to compliment your masculine side. Anol is not a feminine [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) either. > [@](#): > > Also is IO just gab or can you actually get a connection going? IO is more gabby but you can connect with people wearing it. You have to do that. As P51 mentioned IH is deeper more connected conversation. From what you indicated connection is what your looking for so I suggest IH. I do not suggest TUTH. TUTH is to escalate sex with people who already have a comfort level with you. It does not cause attraction or conversation. It causes arousal and you already have anone in your AMMO. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2011, 9:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-io-and-soe/44666/5 "2011-01-18T09:38:29Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I already have SOE. I wish to add some more talk to my IS/Ammo combo and was recommended IO as its not as deep and serious as IH. > > With SOE I always felt I was a wimp and got walked over a lot, is IO more masculine talk? Also is IO just gab or can you actually get a connection going? If SOE “made” you feel like a wimp, IO will be worse! SOE is 20% alpha male mones (androsterone) and 80% alpha nol. IO is all androstenol (mostly alpha). However, I think you give SOE too much credit for your feelings. It’s all really just in your head. I don’t feel a damn thing. You create the vibe you want and mones merely amp it up. You should be in control and not the mones.