# What is the optimal dosage of TAL for men? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 21, 2008, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862 "2008-12-21T10:49:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/1 "2008-12-21T10:49:39Z")
Just wondering what other guys have determined is the optimal dosage of TAL for getting the best results from women without appearing to be too androgynous… Please specify if necessary. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 12:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/2 "2008-12-21T12:12:59Z")
Hey Catlord, by the little experience I have with TAL I’d say it totally depends on the amount of masculine pheros that you use with it. The masculine pheros counteract the ‘androgynous’ effects of TAL - so the more -rone and -none you wear, the more TAL you can use… ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 12:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/3 "2008-12-21T12:18:09Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Hey Catlord, > > by the little experience I have with TAL I’d say it totally depends on the amount of masculine pheros that you use with it. The masculine pheros counteract the ‘androgynous’ effects of TAL - so the more -rone and -none you wear, the more TAL you can use… Alright, got a rough ratio of specific [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) to TAL then? ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/4 "2008-12-21T12:25:50Z")
Hey Catlord17, I have to agree with Bubblebob, you definately need to balance TAL with masculine pheros. For myself, the optimum ratio is 2:1 of None: TAL. Thats for a 2.5mcg of TAL (i.e. 5mcg none), TAL over dosages of 5mcg are much harder to counter with increasing amounts of none and I find you need more. I usually have 2.5mcgs for sexually agressive mixes which is boosted with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). Regards Rattle ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/5 "2008-12-21T12:34:04Z")
I’m aware that TAL needs to be overbalanced with masculine pheromones. I’m trying to figure out a good target. I usually use 5 mcg TAL and 7.5 to 15 mcg Rone, with .5 to 2.5 mcg none. I have been experimenting with upping the none lately as I learn how to buffer it. But I need to know how to get the best “female fowardness” effectiveness out of it. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/6 "2008-12-21T19:25:19Z")
The 2:1 ratio that rattlesnake gave sounds about right for me. It’s been a while since I used TAL, so it’s hard to give a profound advice here… ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/7 "2008-12-21T21:50:54Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > The 2:1 ratio that rattlesnake gave sounds about right for me. It’s been a while since I used TAL, so it’s hard to give a profound advice here… I appreciate the feedback. 🙂 Any other opinions here, or do I have to go all experi-mental? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/8 "2008-12-21T21:52:21Z")
Hmmm, I put 5mcg based on my use of it. Maybe if using it as part of a longterm base, say for work with a female boss along with A314, I might cut it back to 2.5 as I tend to go overboard and then cut back with everything. LOL I gotta add that most of my use has been based on research that you (Catlord17) and Nbully did. So my 5mcg mark is based on yours. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/9 "2008-12-22T07:27:00Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Hmmm, I put 5mcg based on my use of it. Maybe if using it as part of a longterm base, say for work with a female boss along with A314, I might cut it back to 2.5 as I tend to go overboard and then cut back with everything. LOL > > I gotta add that most of my use has been based on research that you (Catlord17) and Nbully did. So my 5mcg mark is based on yours. 🙂 LOL That’s funny. I guess I’ll be doing some TAL experiments then, but I still like knowing what everyone else’s experiences have been. Thanks for the feedback. Who else has something to say? ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/10 "2008-12-22T16:55:33Z")
I think it is different for everyone but can read my report here `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/tal-report-16529.html` ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/11 "2011-04-19T14:38:38Z")
MHarris suggested at least 1:1 masculine mones:TAL - has worked for me (and I have usually gone higher). I wouldn’t however have any view on what is optimal. ---
**Author:** ![Gingiber\_Pardus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@Gingiber\_Pardus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gingiber_Pardus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-optimal-dosage-of-tal-for-men/189862/12 "2012-03-06T15:38:46Z")
I love TAL. As an aplha female I find it balances me perfectly, tend to mix it with TAH and IS/TAA. Have also mixed it with [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) with very good results and TAC a couple of times too. Find for me, these combo’s work really well in a social friendly and communicative way 🙂