# What mix/pheromone would mimic NoFap/NoMasturbation? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 15, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488 "2017-11-15T20:57:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![P4yn3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@P4yn3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P4yn3)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/1 "2017-11-15T20:57:33Z")
I’m curious if there’s any [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) mix that can somewhat mimic the effects of nofap. For those that don’t know, nofap is basically where you stop watching porn or orgasming. It’s alleged that the conservation of your juice is beneficial to your mind and body. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/2 "2017-11-15T21:42:31Z")
Hilarious! I don’t think this is the first time it has come up. Strange zeal on those nofap folks. It seems kind of superstitious. Don’t forget masturbation is healthy for prostate health! I’d say a suitable amount of androstenone (AMMO, TUTH) would simulate the frustration and focus on sex quite well 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tonyman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/34f0e0/32.png) [@tonyman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tonyman)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 10:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/3 "2017-11-16T10:44:51Z")
evolver is right. You might want to read this article, P4yn3 > **[Why You Should Ejaculate At Least 21 Times This Month, According to Science](https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19520362/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer-risk/)** > > Cheers to more sex—either with a partner or solo! ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/4 "2017-11-16T15:59:11Z")
Having sex regularly with real women is very healthy for you. The most healthy men who then have higher levels of testosterone levels have a great increase in their sex drive and have sex with partners more often and more lifetime partners then those with lower T. Masturbation when you dont have a partner itself is not an issue, although when you dont masturbate for a bit it can temporarily raise testosterone levels which would increase the output of your natural pheromone levels. So would eating celery or truffles actually lol… Or you can use [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) from here to mimic what would occur if you naturally raised your own testosterone and pheromone levels naturally as you need to. The real problem to watch seems to be that watching porn with masturbation only too often as many people do these days continues to spike your pleasure/dopamine levels higher and higher and you start needing something even more arousing to look at doing it often… Then when you find a ‘real’ woman, you may find difficulty getting aroused as its not as stimulating as the porn with all the variety you have been watching. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/5 "2017-11-16T21:47:07Z")
I’ve long been of the opinion that nofap is more a tool/tactic/strategy for helping men to gain/regain self-control, self-confidence and learn to put their stamp on their own environment and worldview. All of which will help you put yourself in a better perspective and take the lead in relationships/interactions of all kinds. So to that end, the mones with self effects that include status and self confidence, focus and concentration are probably where you should be looking - Along with a programme of significant self-improvement/discovery of course, which may or may not include nofap itself. ---
**Author:** ![P4yn3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@P4yn3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P4yn3)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/6 "2017-11-18T17:05:30Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Hilarious! I don’t think this is the first time it has come up. Strange zeal on those nofap folks. It seems kind of superstitious. Don’t forget masturbation is healthy for prostate health! > > I’d say a suitable amount of androstenone (AMMO, TUTH) would simulate the frustration and focus on sex quite well 😃 Thanks. Yeah I know it’s weird but it has been mentioned a few times on here. I personally do notice the difference it can range from subtle to very strong attraction vibes. Lots of reports about it on /r/nofap I was thinking of potentially adding instant shine as well since I feel like nofap gives you a glowy presence. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/7 "2017-11-27T19:58:21Z")
> [@P4yn3](#): > > Thanks. Yeah I know it’s weird but it has been mentioned a few times on here. I personally do notice the difference it can range from subtle to very strong attraction vibes. Lots of reports about it on /r/nofap > > I was thinking of potentially adding instant shine as well since I feel like nofap gives you a glowy presence. Sounds like placebo. I’m well aware of the claims. I also agree with mobo. ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/8 "2017-11-29T00:20:39Z")
I find this nofap thing did alter my sig but it varied from day to day. If anything I’d say nofap is like wearing ENone and eRone. Nofap = A314 ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/9 "2017-11-29T01:13:55Z")
Nofap will increase baseline testosterone which I believe leads to higher dopamine and increased output of pheromones, but the studies say only after 7 days after masturbation. At 6 days it didnt increase it. Cops and having sex seem to both increase T temporarily then go back to baseline, but when I used cops every day 2-3x a day (or I guess having sex every day lol) it keeps the T levels high as well.. Any copulin product will do, Max T-150 is one thats made more for the self effects… I hope androtics sells cops one day with an upgraded stealth scent… So find a nice sweet woman who will sit on your face every morning to help you out 😃 Or use pheromones to up your enone and erone as would happen when your T goes up as needed without needing to nofap. Again just avoid porn excess as this does sensitize you until you wont get attracted as easily to normal sex. ---
**Author:** ![michaeltheman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@michaeltheman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/michaeltheman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/10 "2017-12-03T18:21:08Z")
No products from this company or any other company (i’ve tried 30+ different expensive well known brands) has even come close to the effects I get from 2-3 weeks of nofap/no ejaculation. Especially after i’ve had a work out. There you can talk about hardcore DIHL effects. My natural pheromones are very strong it seems, this results in that when im on a retention period, i get hardcore ghosted whenever i use [artificial pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) , unfortunatly. I can only use artificial pheromones the first 1.5 weeks of nofap/semen retention. ---
**Author:** ![michaeltheman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@michaeltheman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/michaeltheman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/11 "2017-12-03T18:23:03Z")
> [@datadragon](#): > > Nofap will increase baseline testosterone which I believe leads to higher dopamine and increased output of pheromones, but the studies say only after 7 days after masturbation. At 6 days it didnt increase it. Cops and having sex seem to both increase T temporarily then go back to baseline, but when I used cops every day 2-3x a day (or I guess having sex every day lol) it keeps the T levels high as well.. Any copulin product will do, Max T-150 is one thats made more for the self effects… I hope androtics sells cops one day with an upgraded stealth scent… > > So find a nice sweet woman who will sit on your face every morning to help you out 😃 > Or use pheromones to up your enone and erone as would happen when your T goes up as needed without needing to nofap. Again just avoid porn excess as this does sensitize you until you wont get attracted as easily to normal sex. Yeah i know about that old ass study, that study i can tell you is completely BS, at least for me. My t-levels starts going up at day 6 and then it escalates every day up to day 18’ish, it never goes down to baseline until a “flatline” starts after too long of no ejaculation. I’ve even had my T-levels checked regularly to verify this ---
**Author:** ![P4yn3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@P4yn3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P4yn3)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/12 "2017-12-03T19:56:02Z")
> [@Jdub](#): > > I find this nofap thing did alter my sig but it varied from day to day. > If anything I’d say nofap is like wearing ENone and eRone. > Nofap = A314 Thanks This is what I suspected. It explains why I seem threatening to some, friendly to others, aggressive to alpha males, etc. I think people on nofap should stick with social mixes. If you are going to use Enone and eRone mixes it should be no more than a spray. As to the other poster on nofap. I’m wondering what effect bodily fluids + nofap would have… ---
**Author:** ![michaeltheman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@michaeltheman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/michaeltheman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/13 "2017-12-03T20:50:32Z")
> [@P4yn3](#): > > Thanks > > This is what I suspected. It explains why I seem threatening to some, friendly to others, aggressive to alpha males, etc. > > I think people on nofap should stick with social mixes. If you are going to use Enone and eRone mixes it should be no more than a spray. > > As to the other poster on nofap. I’m wondering what effect bodily fluids + nofap would have… Yes its very similar to a314 but also with enone in it for me, i get a lot of DIHL and attraction on it which i dont with a314. Social mixes is a great advice. Enone and Erone gets you OD immediatly from your natural output on nofap, if your natural output is high ---
**Author:** ![P4yn3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@P4yn3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P4yn3)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/14 "2017-12-04T01:00:13Z")
> [@michaeltheman](#): > > Yes its very similar to a314 but also with enone in it for me, i get a lot of DIHL and attraction on it which i dont with a314. Social mixes is a great advice. Enone and Erone gets you OD immediatly from your natural output on nofap, if your natural output is high Hey thanks, Not exactly sure what you’re saying though. Are you saying A314 is the best equivalent to nofap? ---
**Author:** ![michaeltheman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@michaeltheman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/michaeltheman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/15 "2017-12-04T15:59:48Z")
> [@P4yn3](#): > > Hey thanks, > > Not exactly sure what you’re saying though. > > Are you saying A314 is the best equivalent to nofap? Yep, its rather “noejaculation” than “nofap” since a wet dream will slay any of your pheromone chemistry so it becomes non existant again. But yea A314 is a good comparisson but I get much more attraction hits on nofap than I do with A314(a). More intimidation from A314 ---
**Author:** ![P4yn3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@P4yn3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P4yn3)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/16 "2017-12-04T20:03:25Z")
> [@michaeltheman](#): > > Yep, its rather “noejaculation” than “nofap” since a wet dream will slay any of your pheromone chemistry so it becomes non existant again. But yea A314 is a good comparisson but I get much more attraction hits on nofap than I do with A314(a). More intimidation from A314 Thanks again. Is it possible that copulins can fix a high none signature? I have the same problem with intimidation on nofap. Although I found acting friendly and smiling usually helps fix the problem. I have a very aggressive face (that’s what people tell me, bulldoggish) and I have a wide chest, wide shoulders and large arms although a narrowish waist. I have very high hormone levels via natural tricks of increasing my testosterone. I recently started taking orchic tablets + nofap and it feels like a cycle of test. Actually it feels better than the 210 mg of testosterone I was taking per week. ---
**Author:** ![michaeltheman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@michaeltheman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/michaeltheman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/17 "2017-12-04T20:57:53Z")
> [@P4yn3](#): > > Thanks again. > > Is it possible that copulins can fix a high none signature? > > I have the same problem with intimidation on nofap. Although I found acting friendly and smiling usually helps fix the problem. I have a very aggressive face (that’s what people tell me, bulldoggish) and I have a wide chest, wide shoulders and large arms although a narrowish waist. > > I have very high hormone levels via natural tricks of increasing my testosterone. I recently started taking orchic tablets + nofap and it feels like a cycle of test. Actually it feels better than the 210 mg of testosterone I was taking per week. How long nofap streaks do you take? I find that when flatline starts its when you need to ejaculate in order to “restart” the streak. flatline is caused by test declining to baseline/low. My attraction and nofap pheromones usually come at day 14 up to day 24-30 or something, then i need to restart ---
**Author:** ![P4yn3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@P4yn3](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P4yn3)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/18 "2017-12-04T22:24:00Z")
> [@michaeltheman](#): > > How long nofap streaks do you take? I find that when flatline starts its when you need to ejaculate in order to “restart” the streak. flatline is caused by test declining to baseline/low. My attraction and nofap pheromones usually come at day 14 up to day 24-30 or something, then i need to restart So here’s the thing, I actually think flatline can be bypassed. My previous streak was like a month but that included watching porn and edging. I recently had to travel to another city with my mother and stay in a hotel room with her. So no chance for any PMO. I wouldn’t even want to in her presence, obviously. I also suppressed any sexual thoughts or fantasies. I actually have a theory that fantasizing SEXUALLY is what drains the aura. This was just a one night and day trip. I also had an exam and I was 100% focused on studying for that + other assignments. So my mind was completely OCCUPIED! During this time I got CRAZY attraction hits and respect from probably 80% of the people I encountered. Better service at restaurants, people acting submissive, taxi driver apologizing to me for being late for 3 minutes, older Asian waitress being overly helpful and DIHL’d, stared down by attractive blonde, people moving out my way, etc. Now mind you I had being edging and watching porn prior to the trip. So I never did a proper reset like you suggest. I believe I somehow subconsciously moved my semen (which was still reserved due to no O or M) and allowed it to build by suppressing sexual thoughts. You have to remember that humans in our natural state would walk around 100% naked. They would be giving off pheromones naturally and a lot easier but like monkeys wouldn’t be jacking off 24/7 (unlike modern humans). The problem with us modern humans is the constant sexual stimulus through social media, online porn, videogames, advertising, TV shows, movies, etc. I fapped after the trip and experienced headaches, muscle pain, back pain, etc. Now I’m trying to figure out how to return to that state. I feel like reading non-sexual things seems to help. But I think just clearing the subconscious from sex (temporarily) could do it. Then when you go out to a club you slowly activate the sexual part. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/19 "2017-12-05T01:19:04Z")
> [@P4yn3](#): > > Thanks again. > > Is it possible that copulins can fix a high none signature? > > I have the same problem with intimidation on nofap. The higher your natural testosterone levels and the lower your body fat, the more the amount of social nols you produce are reduced in ratio compared to the androstenone and androsterone you produce. Social nols are what makes fat people more friendly and approachable (a-nol) or trusting/friendly guys (b-nol). Seriously, everyone thinks TUTH, A314 etc is the way to go, but with already HIGHER T levels and lower body fat, you want to avoid things like those as well as copulins or nofap so you dont further increase the intimidation etc by continuing to raise your T further. You would actually want to balance your signature instead with more of the social or buffering products instead of things like enone and erone since you already have plenty of those. Things like IO or CTTM for example. Its all about balance. Black high T men sometimes have higher enone but not as high erone so they can use A314 and nols to balance etc. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) summer edition also is balanced more of the social then the enone so it will bring your sig back down a bit. If you use enone/erone then at least use less of them then the socials in ratio. If your T is low, such as your fat, non masculine, older and not very muscular then you can either raise T by using copulins such as Max T-150 2-3x a day, or use product like enone (more) and erone also to mimic what your body would put out if you were higher T as far as the hits. Its just finding the proper ratios your body needs over its baseline and you will see results. The only thing to avoid is excess PORN because you make your body more and more needing higher stimulating events and then a lower stimulating event like just seeing a womans tits will no longer get you off anymore… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mix-pheromone-would-mimic-nofap-nomasturbation/67488/20 "2017-12-05T11:32:15Z")
> [@P4yn3](#): > > Is it possible that copulins can fix a high none signature? Nope - in fact it will compound the effects of a high None signature considerably. Which is good in some situations of course but very bad in others, depending.