# Whatever Happened to Pheromone Proof? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 15, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907 "2009-01-15T04:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/1 "2009-01-15T04:26:21Z")
And the Futurist? Changed name of his product? Abducted by aliens? Anyone know? ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/2 "2009-01-15T16:57:39Z")
Every now and then you see him lurking in the forum… never posts however - he is not currently selling his product. Although I do remember Jasmin saying something about Androtics making a Phero-Bomb formula which was supposed to be similar… never ever saw it in the store though ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/3 "2009-01-15T17:29:22Z")
How odd. His old webpage for Pheromone Proof is still active…as is the email account for contacting him. But he never replies when you send him an email asking about his product. Something interesting. Icebreaker is using his name on their advertising webpages (something like, “Looking for Futurist, Pheromoneproof, try IceBreaker”). I emailed them about that and, typically, they replied with an advertising blurb that had nothing to do with what I asked. Hehe…shady characters. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/4 "2009-01-15T18:21:16Z")
Indeed… sketchy ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/5 "2009-01-15T19:31:26Z")
Futurist seemed to me like an unusual fellow. When his website first came out, it was awful. I offered to help him clean it up in exchange for a bottle, since at the time I did not have a spare $80. He agreed. After I spent about 10 hours working on editing and improving it (which was more time than I expected it to take and had I know, I wouldn’t have made the offer in the first place), he largely ignored my changes and then never sent me the bottle. When I contacted him some months later about it, I got the impression he thought I was trying to scam him out of a bottle. I refused to buy a bottle simply out of principle when I did have the money. From what I understand, he got a lot of good advice from a lot of people, and he refused to take it. This apparently cost him dearly financially for the venture and it effectively bombed. Last I saw, the website had been re-done and looked much better, but of course no way to order. Makes perfect sense to me. Don’t expect to see PheroProof or the formula any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![5alphareductase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/54ee81/32.png) [@5alphareductase](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/5alphareductase)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/6 "2009-01-15T19:35:50Z")
i just went to the pheromoneproof website and tried to order some, but it said that you had to send them an email if you wanted to learn how to buy the product. so i did, now i’m waiting for a reply. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/7 "2009-01-15T19:42:17Z")
Have fun waiting. I predict you won’t get a reply… or you’ll get “Sorry, it’s not available.” ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/8 "2009-01-16T00:18:41Z")
Heard a rumor that this was coming back, that androtics had worked it out with Futurist to offer it again, but It’ll be with a different scent pack and a different MX number. Just a rumor though. (: ---
**Author:** ![hangin420](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/35a633/32.png) [@hangin420](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hangin420)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/9 "2009-01-16T01:33:41Z")
Was Phero Proof all that it claims? I shot an e-mail too. Let’s see if he replies. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/10 "2009-01-16T04:06:02Z")
> [@MX250 Results](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx250-results/8419/14): > > How odd. His old webpage for Pheromone Proof is > > Something interesting. Icebreaker is using his name on their advertising webpages (something like, “Looking for Futurist, Pheromoneproof, try IceBreaker”). I emailed them about that and, typically, they replied with an advertising blurb that had nothing to do with what I asked. I don’t know who Icebreaker is (is that a product or person?). Anyway, that is kind of crazy to me that is happening, but I half expected things like that. If you ever see Pheromone Proof or futurist being used elsewhere, it’s just people trying to create sales in a tough business. I’m not involved nor do I want to be. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/11 "2009-01-16T04:09:39Z")
> [@QUICK I NEED HELP!!! Chemical names for potential pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quick-i-need-help-chemical-names-for-potential-pheromones/9117/15): > > Futurist seemed to me like an unusual fellow. When his website first came out, it was awful. I offered to help him clean it up in exchange for a bottle, since at the time I did not have a spare $80. He agreed. After I spent about 10 hours working on editing and improving it (which was more time than I expected it to take and had I know, I wouldn’t have made the offer in the first place), he largely ignored my changes and then never sent me the bottle. When I contacted him some months later about it, I got the impression he thought I was trying to scam him out of a bottle. I refused to buy a bottle simply out of principle when I did have the money. You shouldn’t have bought a bottle. You were owed a bottle. The impression you got that I thought you were trying to scam me probably came from my shock and surprise when I learned you never had received a bottle. Of course nothing in my words implied that I thought you were lying. I guess you just were surprised at my surpise, and that’s how you interpreted it. No problem. I hope you got your bottle and thanks for your hard work. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/12 "2009-01-16T04:19:05Z")
To wrap up, the product was created with the idea of generally helping guys while allowing me to have some extra breathing room (back then my salary barely covered my living expenses). I love to help men as much as women, everyone’s “pain” is important to me. I encourage everyone to do what you can to help those around you. The formula is free for androtics to use so I do not make you guys _suffer_ anymore from having it available and then not available. I can no longer deny something that _may_ be able to make your lives better. Best of luck to each and every one of you. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/13 "2009-01-16T04:35:25Z")
> [@What's up?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-up/9149/6): > > To wrap up, the product was created with the idea of generally helping guys while allowing me to have some extra breathing room (back then my salary barely covered my living expenses). I love to help men as much as women, everyone’s “pain” is important to me. I encourage everyone to do what you can to help those around you. \*\*The formula is free for androtics to use so I do not make you guys _suffer_ anymore from having it available and then not available. \*\*I can no longer deny something that _may_ be able to make your lives better. Best of luck to each and every one of you. Good news indeed. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/14 "2009-01-16T05:05:16Z")
Well thank you futurist for clearing up what happened with your famous pheroproof. I myself never got to try it, but I’m excited that I will finally have the chance to experience it (hopefully). I guess you should feel very flattered that you created a product that now people “suffer” without! Hopefully your product will do good in the lives of the members of the forum again! ---
**Author:** ![LaPew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lapew/32/330_2.png) [@LaPew](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaPew)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/16 "2009-01-16T05:07:31Z")
> [@What's up?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-up/9149/6): > > The formula is free for androtics to use so I do not make you guys _suffer_ anymore from having it available and then not available. I can no longer deny something that _may_ be able to make your lives better. Best of luck to each and every one of you. This is excellent news seeing as PheroProof is just a myth to many of us (myself included). Now all I need is MX105 to be made available again and you’ll be looking at one happy skunk… ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/17 "2009-01-16T06:04:57Z")
> [@Futurist](#): > > You shouldn’t have bought a bottle. You were owed a bottle. The impression you got that I thought you were trying to scam me probably came from my shock and surprise when I learned you never had received a bottle. Of course nothing in my words implied that I thought you were lying. I guess you just were surprised at my surpise, and that’s how you interpreted it. No problem. I hope you got your bottle and thanks for your hard work. I didn’t buy a bottle. And I never got a bottle. But that’s okay, I’ve left that in the past. It’s just left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m sure there was some misunderstanding involved, and that always leads to trouble. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/18 "2009-01-16T06:46:22Z")
hey futurist, thanks for taking the time to post this time around. we both joined here at the same time and while i’ve noticed you lurking here, i’m glad you took the time to clear a few things up. i never got to try phero proof so i have no idea how effective it was but if androtics makes up a new supply i will certainly give it a shot. i hope you are doing well whatever you are doing and i’m sure i’m not the only one here who hopes you continue to share your insights and ideas with us. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/19 "2009-01-16T13:58:51Z")
> [@My 21st on the 24th!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-21st-on-the-24th/9155/4): > > I didn’t buy a bottle. And I never got a bottle. But that’s okay, I’ve left that in the past. It’s just left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m sure there was some misunderstanding involved, and that always leads to trouble. I’m sorry to hear that. ☹ Thanks for the comments everyone. And just to reiterate, Icebreaker and any other claims you see out there have absolutely nothing to do with me or pheromone proof. ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/20 "2009-01-16T19:52:32Z")
Thank you very much for clearing that up. Just be aware that those assholes are using your name. Not actually telling people that Icebreaker is your old PheromoneProof product…but heavily implying it…to the point of linking your name and your product’s name in search engines. I sent them an email asking about that specifically. And they went out of their way to dodge the question. If it becomes available again, I think I speak for alot of forum members that we’d love to try PheromoneProof. > [@I have a problem....](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-have-a-problem/9184/2): > > I’m sorry to hear that. ☹ > > Thanks for the comments everyone. > > And just to reiterate, Icebreaker and any other claims you see out there have absolutely nothing to do with me or pheromone proof. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907/21 "2009-01-17T00:45:54Z")
> [@Bonecrkr](#): > > Thank you very much for clearing that up. Just be aware that those assholes are using your name. Not actually telling people that Icebreaker is your old PheromoneProof product…but heavily implying it…to the point of linking your name and your product’s name in search engines. > > I sent them an email asking about that specifically. And they went out of their way to dodge the question. > > If it becomes available again, I think I speak for alot of forum members that we’d love to try PheromoneProof. Well the good news is that the Pheromone Proof name is officially dead and I havent been involved in offering it or anything else for a year or two, so any references to it or futurist now or in the future should signal b.s. Androtics is making it available as an MX according to Jasmin’s post on the forum. I am sure androtics will let you know when it’s available. The other thing is, given how small the community is, whomever using the name isn’t getting much benefit out of it. If they are trying to sell their product, i don’t think it’s a strategy that will make any real difference for them. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whatever-happened-to-pheromone-proof/24907.md?page=2)