# Whats best for starting relationships? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 1, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090 "2011-11-01T01:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/1 "2011-11-01T01:02:31Z")
I guess my question is what is the best mix to aid in getting into a relationship with a girl that ive never talked to. Something to draw her to me with out me having to do all of the work. I have AMMO, IO, and IS right now, but plan to get IG and IH. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/2 "2011-11-01T02:16:40Z")
1 drop of A314, Instant honesty, CTTM2. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/3 "2011-11-01T02:55:58Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > 1 drop of A314, Instant honesty, CTTM2. Ah A314 is soooo expensive. I will do some tests with what I have and then get what you recommended. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/4 "2011-11-01T03:56:45Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > 1 drop of A314, Instant honesty, CTTM2. I thought that A314 was generally for older guys, is this not true? And come talk to me 2, is this good for getting girls to literally come talk to you, lol? Keep in mind my age range is 18 to 24. So generally college girls. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/5 "2011-11-01T04:51:30Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > I have AMMO, IO, and IS right now > [@ballzan](#): > > Ah A314 is soooo expensive. I will do some tests with what I have and then get what you recommended. I’ll invent a mix for you right now. > [@ballzan](#): > > I thought that A314 was generally for older guys A314 is for older men. Your mix: 1 x ammo back of neck 1 x ammo front of neck 1 x IO left of neck 1 x IS left of neck Wait 15 minutes before talking to anyone or being with another human. Initial ammo will be strong as hell. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/6 "2011-11-01T04:58:32Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > I’ll invent a mix for you right now. > > A314 is for older men. > > Your mix: > 1 x ammo back of neck > 1 x ammo front of neck > 1 x IO left of neck > 1 x IS left of neck > > Wait 15 minutes before talking to anyone or being with another human. Initial ammo will be strong as hell. Oooooo…invent one for me hahahahahahaha. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/7 "2011-11-01T05:10:09Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Pheromone Products I Own > Ammunition > Instant Shine TO GO > Instant Honesty 2X > Turn Up the Heat > Alpha A314 > Come Talk To Me 2 > MX103 > MX200 > MX203 > MX273 > P93 > MX217 1 drop A314 back of left ear 1 drop A314 back of right ear 3 sprays MX217 front of neck 1 spray MX217 back of neck IS left of neck (LOL, this is such a crazy mix, use at your own risk though) ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/8 "2011-11-01T05:15:08Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > 1 drop A314 back of left ear > 1 drop A314 back of right ear > 3 sprays MX217 front of neck > 1 spray MX217 back of neck > IS left of neck > > (LOL, this is such a crazy mix, use at your own risk though) HAHA it sounds very similar to what I was going to use anyways (check out my latest thread). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/9 "2011-11-01T09:42:16Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > I guess my question is what is the best mix to aid in getting into a relationship with a girl that ive never talked to. Something to draw her to me with out me having to do all of the work. I have AMMO, IO, and IS right now, but plan to get IG and IH. Opening your mouth to her would be a start! And maybe stop thinking on relationships till you get to know her and see if she is actually open to one and you two are compatible. She may be the greatest thing on legs to you but until you do, this sounds like you may be putting her on a pedestal already, which is a recipe for attraction/relationship killing - fast! Just see if you can attract her, get to know her **then** see what develops. As for pheros, I would go for [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/IS to begin with, with maybe IO on initial contact but moving to IH if you begin to get to know each other, IG would probably be great to convey your status in a far less heavy way than A314 - which is great but can be taken as too serious/LTR-oriented, or worse “daddy”-like by younger women. IME, a lot of girls around your age are far more up for fun and unpredictable good times rather than getting seriously hooked-up. The A1 you talked about on that other thread is also a very good relationship phero but again, you must get the hang of/sweet spot for your base pheros first and I still suggest you maybe think on starting with a lower dose as it is such an effective none moderator. You may also want to consider MX412, which seems to be shaping-up as a good alternative but without many of A1’s disadvantages. > **[Molecule A – Carefree Youthful Uplifting Pheromone - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)** > > Molecule A (TAA) is an experimental putative pheromone molecule with a longstanding reputation for boosting mood, approachability, and charm. It’s the driving force behind Instant Shine and powers some of the most charismatic pheromone blends ever... ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/10 "2011-11-01T13:54:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Opening your mouth to her would be a start! > > And maybe stop thinking on relationships till you get to know her and see if she is actually open to one and you two are compatible. She may be the greatest thing on legs to you but until you do, this sounds like you may be putting her on a pedestal already, which is a recipe for attraction/relationship killing - fast! Just see if you can attract her, get to know her **then** see what develops. > > As for pheros, I would go for Ammo/IS to begin with, with maybe IO on initial contact but moving to IH if you begin to get to know each other, IG would probably be great to convey your status in a far less heavy way than A314 - which is great but can be taken as too serious/LTR-oriented, or worse “daddy”-like by younger women. IME, a lot of girls around your age are far more up for fun and unpredictable good times rather than getting seriously hooked-up. > > The A1 you talked about on that other thread is also a very good relationship phero but again, you must get the hang of/sweet spot for your base pheros first and I still suggest you maybe think on starting with a lower dose as it is such an effective none moderator. You may also want to consider MX412, which seems to be shaping-up as a good alternative but without many of A1’s disadvantages. > > [MX412 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) (Akuto Fragrance) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) Ive been doing my sweet spot testing of ammo for a few days now, if you check out my journal I post info on there about every day. Once I figure out my ammo sweet spot I will do IO and IS. And your right I might be putting her on a pedestal already which I will try to refrain from doing. Problem is I don’t even know the girl, never talked to her, she has just come in the weight room when I have been in there for softball stuff. Thats my purpose for using mones, i’m bad at starting conversations with girls I don’t know, if the mones can get them to start the conversations on get me over my fear of it, then I should be set from there. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/11 "2011-11-01T14:28:06Z")
Abit new here, but from what I’ve read A314 seems good for LTRs with a quality woman Not sure yet why its only(usually) for older guys ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/12 "2011-11-01T14:50:06Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Abit new here, but from what I’ve read A314 seems good for LTRs with a quality woman > > Not sure yet why its only(usually) for older guys yea im only 20 and would rather not attract any women over 24 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/13 "2011-11-01T16:47:51Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > Not sure yet why its only(usually) for older guys Its the Androsterone - Which is typically associated with mature developed guys and whilst A314 does convey the qualities associated with LTRs very well, not all women are comfortable with that sig - especially younger ones who may find it too serious/relationship-minded because they are still out for fun and experience, not at the point of wanting to settle down with someone just yet. Like other pheros, yes you do get exceptions but IME, A314 seems to become more and more engaging to women as they age. IG is a much less daunting alternative around younger women. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/14 "2011-11-01T18:19:55Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Its the Androsterone - Which is typically associated with mature developed guys and whilst A314 does convey the qualities associated with LTRs very well, not all women are comfortable with that sig - especially younger ones who may find it too serious/relationship-minded because they are still out for fun and experience, not at the point of wanting to settle down with someone just yet. > > Like other pheros, yes you do get exceptions but IME, A314 seems to become more and more engaging to women as they age. IG is a much less daunting alternative around younger women. uhh yeah but even of the young ones who are more intent on fun and experience than the other girls their age, STILL deep within them they still have that orientation towards long term relationships, (and by extension A314 type qualities will still be attractive to them, though as you say, maybe not as pronounced in their effect) its going to be VERY rare for it be an overall bad thing that this guy is quality LTR material unless she decides to not have sex with you for ages to not seem easy, or to confirm you want her longterm or whatever I’ve never used A314 or IG, but hey my A314b arrived yesterday (don’t have any IG) so it’ll be interesting to see how it works in the field I did read A314 was about 80% -rone > [@](#): > > **Human pheromones - Androsterone** > > Androsterone is a human only pheromone. It’s use as a [pheromone](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/pheromone.htm) is born out of the fact that males with a higher ratio of Androsterone to Etiocholanone are more masculine. Homosexual males have lower ratios of Androsterone to Etiocholanone. Thus, androsterone makes the wearer appear to be more masculine and/or dominant, but without the aggression of [androstenone](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm). This [pheromone](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/pheromone.htm) also creates an aura of safety, protection and reliability normally associated with a more peaceful alpha male. Androsterone also provides the respect of [androstenone](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm) without the possible negative connotations of the aggressive nature of [androstenone](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenone.htm). > When worn by women, androsterone has been reported to have mood elevating effects. > Through experimentation, some users have reported that androsterone can enhance or boost the message that other [pheromones](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/pheromone.htm) in a [product](http://pherolibrary.com/pheromone-guide/products/pheromone-products.htm) or pheromone mix are signaling. > There are no known over dose effects for androsterone. I just dont see the problem lol expecially if you put on some IS ah well, i’ll just wear the -mones experiment see what happens 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/15 "2011-11-01T19:04:14Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > Ive been doing my sweet spot testing of ammo for a few days now, if you check out my journal I post info on there about every day. Once I figure out my ammo sweet spot I will do IO and IS. And your right I might be putting her on a pedestal already which I will try to refrain from doing. Problem is I don’t even know the girl, never talked to her, she has just come in the weight room when I have been in there for softball stuff. Thats my purpose for using mones, i’m bad at starting conversations with girls I don’t know, if the mones can get them to start the conversations on get me over my fear of it, then I should be set from there. Saying anything funny that can be perceived as nice is important. You must look like you’re having fun by making a comment on anything that you see that can be an excuse to talk to her. The best way is to actually have fun saying it and not fake it. Faking is hard as hell, especially with women. Most women don’t really care if it’s simple, as long as it’s nice and accompanied by a non threatening smile with you body turned away from her as if you where going somewhere else. I have found that it’s hard to talk to women, but when the extremely hot 10/10 walks by, for some reason I naturally open up and am very fun and wouldn’t hesitate to ask her her name and whatever. It’s so difficult talking to ugly girls, or anything bellow a 9/10. The 10/10s are a lot easier because their good looks actually motivate me to tell them interesting stuff! ---
**Author:** ![SheBlindedMeWithScience](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheblindedmewithscience/32/1986_2.png) [@SheBlindedMeWithScience](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SheBlindedMeWithScience)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/16 "2011-11-01T19:16:06Z")
This is a perfect thread. Just started going out with a 42 yo (i’m 37), only one official date I had on Sun. Iv’e know her for about 5 years. When I first met her she was in a LTR. They broke it off a couple months ago, total of 9 years with this guy done. Anywho, I had 3 drops A314, 2 sprays IH, 2 sprays IS, and one shot of AMMO. Things went great, chatted my ear off about personal stuff esp for a first meeting. Thinking its a pretty safe mix. Maybe up the A314 to 4 or 5 drops? Im getting the vibe that she wants another LTR. All I did was hug her on Sun after the date. We are going out on Thursday again but she bringing one of her work friends. I want to bump it up on Thurs, but with the friend that might put the “bam” on hold…well until the weekend 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/17 "2011-11-01T19:20:57Z")
> [@SheBlindedMeWithScience](#): > > This is a perfect thread. Just started going out with a 42 yo (i’m 37), only one official date I had on Sun. Iv’e know her for about 5 years. When I first met her she was in a LTR. They broke it off a couple months ago, total of 9 years with this guy done. Anywho, I had 3 drops A314, 2 sprays IH, 2 sprays IS, and one shot of AMMO. Things went great, chatted my ear off about personal stuff esp for a first meeting. Thinking its a pretty safe mix. Maybe up the A314 to 4 or 5 drops? Im getting the vibe that she wants another LTR. All I did was hug her on Sun after the date. We are going out on Thursday again but she bringing one of her work friends. I want to bump it up on Thurs, but with the friend that might put the “bam” on hold…well until the weekend 😃 Last night I was listening to the 12th episode of [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) talk and Steve was interviewed on the phone. I trust what Steve says. He said that A314 with AMMO is a strong mix in many situations. Do not up the A314 to 4 or 5 drops, bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![SheBlindedMeWithScience](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheblindedmewithscience/32/1986_2.png) [@SheBlindedMeWithScience](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SheBlindedMeWithScience)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/18 "2011-11-01T19:28:18Z")
Thanks for the advice Thomas. Ill keep the A314 low then. Bump up the IH and/or AMMO, and keep some TUTH for when things escalate ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/19 "2011-11-01T21:10:09Z")
> [@thomaslavoie](#): > > Saying anything funny that can be perceived as nice is important. You must look like you’re having fun by making a comment on anything that you see that can be an excuse to talk to her. The best way is to actually have fun saying it and not fake it. Faking is hard as hell, especially with women. > > Most women don’t really care if it’s simple, as long as it’s nice and accompanied by a non threatening smile with you body turned away from her as if you where going somewhere else. > > I have found that it’s hard to talk to women, but when the extremely hot 10/10 walks by, for some reason I naturally open up and am very fun and wouldn’t hesitate to ask her her name and whatever. It’s so difficult talking to ugly girls, or anything bellow a 9/10. The 10/10s are a lot easier because their good looks actually motivate me to tell them interesting stuff! I’m kind of the opposite, I can talk to girls that are 7-8/10 but have get nervous around the super hot 10/10 type of girls, I gotta work on getting over that. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/20 "2011-11-02T00:59:47Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > I’m kind of the opposite, I can talk to girls that are 7-8/10 but have get nervous around the super hot 10/10 type of girls, I gotta work on getting over that. Gradual Exposure Therapy and, making 5 friends (who are tens) can be good (friends only, on purpose) (this can also be really good in other ways too) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090.md?page=2)