# What's -dienol? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 23, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178 "2007-02-23T02:59:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 2:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/1 "2007-02-23T02:59:56Z")
And where can I get some? Is there alpha -dienol and beta -dienol? And how about any input profiling the action of some other pheros: - androstAnone - EST - MEO-EST \*]Androstadienone ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/2 "2007-02-23T04:53:57Z")
Well I do know dienol s is poly styrene, but I don’t think you’ll get any IOI’s wearing coffee cups. I’d like to know what it is too. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/3 "2007-02-23T05:17:55Z")
MHarris on -dienol > [@Androstadienol: what does it do, and has anyone used it alone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienol-what-does-it-do-and-has-anyone-used-it-alone/543/4): > > We have every pheromone you can imagine, but we don’t carry many by name. You could already have it. AHHH MHarris. I understand the secrecy. That doesn’t mean I have to like it. hahaha lol N Bully posted this in his phero blog My experiences with the sense of smell: Androstenediol and Androstadienol Yes there is an alpha and a beta. I don’t know anything about -dienol. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/4 "2007-02-23T05:20:54Z")
dienol = Estradienol, 4,16-estradien-3a-ol google it and you’ll probably find the manufacturer. If not PM me. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 5:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/5 "2007-02-23T05:23:22Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > dienol = Estradienol, 4,16-estradien-3a-ol > > google it and you’ll probably find the manufacturer. If not PM me. oops! oh well, thanks for the correction 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/6 "2007-02-23T07:46:11Z")
Well, you may right as well. Folks shorten the names not knowing several [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) use a similar name. For example “none” is oft used for androstenone. However, androstadienone is actually a more abundant male pheromone and deserves to be called “none” as much as androstenone. As the active pheromone in Realm, it was also one of the first widely used pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/7 "2007-02-23T17:09:14Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > And where can I get some? > > Is there alpha -dienol and beta -dienol? > > And how about any input profiling the action of some other pheros: > > - androstAnone > - EST > - MEO-EST > - Androstadienone Tacitus has posted his experiences with beta-dienol and yes that is beta-Androstadienol. Estradienol has recently gained some popularity after Maiworm’s studies with it and methoxyestateraene. **Maiworm** , R. E. (1998): Influence of **estradienol** and methoxyestateraene on the assessment of the opposite sex. Chemical Senses.23.5.p. 583 Beta-Androstadienol has been reported to be a fun molecule. Estradienol is very expensive at whatever places it’s currently available. Lots of posts about Androstanone at l-s. Acts as a buffer to androstenone. Enhances social aspects. As stinky as Androstenone. EST a.k.a. estratetraenol and Androstadienone are the two molecules found in men’s and women’s version of Realm, respectively, sold by Natural attraction. Androstadienone is also the primary molecule in [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) and is reported to have mood-lifting effects on women. Lots of publications on these two molecules specially Androstadienone. MEO-EST as referred to in this forum is the molecule methoxyestratetraenone. Hard to pin down effects. Seems to act as a modifier or intensifier! Some people have reported it to be a trigger of nest-cleaning instincts. They reported feeling like straightening the surroundings around them, cleaning stuff, putting things in order etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/8 "2007-02-23T20:28:47Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > … Androstadienone are the two molecules found in men’s and women’s version of Realm, respectively,… Androstadienone is often refered to as “A-1” both here and at L-S. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/9 "2007-02-24T03:30:11Z")
Thanks all … much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/10 "2007-02-24T05:37:23Z")
Androstanone may be quite useful - I wonder what putative # it is at Androtics? [http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/sh…t=16955&page=2](http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16955&page=2)& Gegogi: "Yesterday I visited a female friend (with benefits) and she was on the rag and rather depressed 'n bitchy. Normally I would have made a quick getaway but since I just tinkled myself with several drops of Androstanone, I thought I’d hang around and see what happens. Within a couple minutes she underwent a major mood transformation and became light hearted and talkative. I suspect the Androstanone had something to do with her mood change as she normally stays mean ‘n bitchy during her monthy punishment. Of course maybe it was my grinin’ mug and sunny disposition that uplifted her. After a couple weeks of testing I’m starting to see patterns. Androstanone seems to have some of the female mood elevation characteristics of A-1 but with the openness and chatter of Scent of Eros. However I always have to intiate and be friendly, otherwise zippo. Once I intiate, the floodgates seem to open wide. It may make a good team with [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) products such NPA or The Edge. That’s my next test stage–combos. Oddly Androstanone smells similar to [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) so a cover is way recommended." `http://www.love-scent.com/product_reviews_info.php/p/androstanone/products_id/102/reviews_id/139?osCsid=05837b29fecdf1508fee9e27782f414a` Stephen: "This seems effective in two areas. 1. My gf feels good and associates that feeling with me. 2. When she is having her period, she reports she feels a lot less physical discomfort when she is around me since I started using this. Whereas before there would be 2-3 days where she felt bad and was not interested in sex now she feels that way until we get together and then she feels better (within under 10 minutes) and has been interested. I think this works. I think it reduces her pain when she is in pain and causes pleasurable physical feelings when she is not in pain. I apply 1 drop to each wrist over the pulse points and rub my arms together." ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 5:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/11 "2007-02-24T05:45:02Z")
Reading posts like this **SUCKS** for me, because I know which are which, and I KNOW which of you guys _already_ have these molecules, but I _just can’t tell you_! ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/12 "2007-02-24T08:56:54Z")
Thanks Visionary, that old post reminds me I’m supposed to continue playing with my chemset androstanone. Almost forgot about it after testing Aquagen and A314 for the past 5 or 6 weeks. It was hinted by an unmentionable party that androstanone is used in Aquagen to buffer androstenone. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/13 "2007-02-24T12:54:14Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Reading posts like this **SUCKS** for me, because I know which are which, and I KNOW which of you guys _already_ have these molecules, but I _just can’t tell you_! It’s funny, because one ought to be able to figure out which one is androstanone purely by the smell and reported significant reaction. So I might be very wrong, but my guess is it’s not in the putative series \<90. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/14 "2007-02-25T03:05:23Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Reading posts like this **SUCKS** for me, because I know which are which, and I KNOW which of you guys _already_ have these molecules, but I _just can’t tell you_! I’m sorry. Maybe you guys could put out AndrostAnone as a ‘molecularly-named’ putative (like Methoxyestratetraenone and Estratetraenol) since at the moment it costs $89.95 to get it at the one place it is available (for 10 mL at 1mg/mL). This seems to be an exorbitant amount to pay for a molecule-I would much rather pay $14.95 here at 2.5 mcg/spray or a ToGo version of Androstanone at 12.5 mcg per spray. And if I like the effects I will rebuy at higher dosage levels. > [@PheroQuirk](#): > > It’s funny, because one ought to be able to figure out which one is androstanone purely by the smell and reported significant reaction. So I might be very wrong, but my guess is it’s not in the putative series \<90. I have only tried putatives 78-80, and 83 with P93 on the way but why could AndrostAnone not be for example P74 (said to enhance empathy-the one phero that is great at enhancing empathy is Est and that helps with PMS symptoms too I hear so has P74 been tried for this kind of effect?) or P75 (said to be A1-like in a way but causes headaches and aggression in men). > [@Gegogi](#): > > Thanks Visionary, that old post reminds me I’m supposed to continue playing with my chemset androstanone. Almost forgot about it after testing Aquagen and A314 for the past 5 or 6 weeks. > > It was hinted by an unmentionable party that androstanone is used in Aquagen to buffer androstenone. Yea you’re welcome I’m quoting the master now 😛 Yea I heard that about Aquagen as well but I would like to hear more about AndrostAnone on its own since some of us have problems with wearing any Androstenone at all. Can you give us more experiences of what you think it does? Also have you played with any other ‘new [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) molecules’? Thanks Visionary ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/15 "2007-02-25T03:24:56Z")
> [@](#): > > I have only tried putatives 78-80, and 83 with P93 on the way but why could AndrostAnone not be for example P74 (said to enhance empathy-the one phero that is great at enhancing empathy is Est and that helps with PMS symptoms too I hear so has P74 been tried for this kind of effect?) > or P75 (said to be Androstadienone-like in a way but causes headaches and aggression in men). Could be. None of these putatives [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)-P89 seem particularly smelly, whereas androstanone is reputed to be as bad as androstenone. But I don’t know if that is definitely the case or not. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2007, 4:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-dienol/2178/16 "2007-02-25T04:04:40Z")
Yeah, LS AndrostAnone is expensive. 10ml for 90 georges. Plus they sent me the Androstenone by accident the first time! Androstanone is also available in the “Lucky Seven” chemset. Annother unmentionable source also sells the “Lucky Seven” chemset for half of LS’s price. As for smell, after drydown Androstanone is mild/weak compared to Androstenone but has a similar scent. It’s extremely easy to cover and, in fact, may not need a cover.