# What's more Alpha Androstenone or Androsterone. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 2, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951 "2009-10-02T02:16:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/1 "2009-10-02T02:16:50Z")
I understand that none has fear qualities to it. People get scared, with Rone it’s hard to describe but people see us as a gentle alpha right? Kinda hard to gauge from my tests but I definitely saw None as a confident man as well as rone but rone is more quiet and mysterious. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/2 "2009-10-02T17:18:02Z")
> [@crashbandicoot](#): > > I understand that none has fear qualities to it. > People get scared, with Rone it’s hard to describe but > people see us as a gentle alpha right? > Kinda hard to gauge from my tests but I definitely saw > None as a confident man as well as rone but rone is more > quiet and mysterious. They are both Alpha. Just in different ways. None is higher in younger men to attract a woman to reproduce. Also to show other men who is in charge. A “badboy” vibe. Rone production rises as a man ages. It gives of a “protector” vibe. It draws respect not because you will kick someones ass, but because of wisdom. Neither is more Alpha. You would use both according to the vibe you are trying to produce. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/3 "2009-10-02T20:02:09Z")
cool thanx ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/4 "2009-10-02T20:14:03Z")
> [@crashbandicoot](#): > > cool thanx Another thought I did not put is that it is best to mix both at the same time. All Rone will get you walked all over. Too much None by it self could get yourself in a confrontation. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/5 "2009-10-02T21:24:23Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > …All Rone will get you walked all over. .. You sure you’re not thinking of nol?? ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/6 "2009-10-02T21:27:32Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > You sure you’re not thinking of nol?? Nope. MHarris (August 25, 2006): “…Androsterone alone, though, has too much of a provider feeling to it… sort of like a giant, male placental figure. **Androsterone** alone can get you walked all over, and have your lover seeking a -none male during ovulation…” [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18) ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/7 "2009-10-03T00:15:57Z")
I find that this is an EXCELLENT question. Myself, I consider Androstenone to be a youthful, physical alpha [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), whereas androsterone is a mature, intellectual pheromone. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/8 "2009-10-03T00:30:37Z")
> [@andrew88777](#): > > Nope. > > MHarris (August 25, 2006): > “…Androsterone alone, though, has too much of a provider feeling to it… sort of like a giant, male placental figure. **Androsterone** alone can get you walked all over, and have your lover seeking a -none male during ovulation…” > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/18) Hopefully that statement by Harris is out of context. Taken at face it is pretty much BS. Behavior reality is not that simple or black and white. Very few women would desert her man to bump uglies and make a baby with some stinky armpit dude with more androstenone. Humans do not respond to mones with involuntary behavior like insects or lower mammals. The human brain is still in control and, only a retard or a fool would act on a whimsical impulse. Methinks giving a little too much power to mones. I’ve worn chemset androsterone a lot and must say I never–not once–experienced “being walked all over.” Of course I don’t let that sorta shit happen without mones either. If you’re a weenie and prone to being taken advantage of, mones ain’t gonna change your essential character. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/9 "2009-10-03T12:01:06Z")
The link is there to read the thread if you would like. Here is the question and the full response. Originally Posted by **itwow** [view post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-go/579/14) _Is there a male equivalent for daddies? A supportive & loving father figure pheromone? Could that be [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) /Experimone/ [Putative](https://a314.com/) ? Thanks._ That’s mostly a Androsterone effect. Androsterone alone, though, has too much of a provider feeling to it… sort of like a giant, male placental figure. Androsterone alone can get you walked all over, and have your lover seeking a -none male during ovulation. [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) is a more stately, alpha take on Androsterone. Kids love it, and nobody will take advantage of you. You could try the experimental mix MX105 for a potentially more ‘romantic’ variation. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is more for the Clint Eastwood personality type. You should be somewhat intimidating already to use this one. Also good for those whom women perceive as "creepy’ (which are more men than you might imagine) ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/10 "2009-10-03T17:15:30Z")
So I suppose they should be applied together; just in different ratios for example 80%rone 20%none like A314. For a higher none man 80%none and 20%rone like Alpha7 for the affect a person watnts to achieve. In my experience Androsterone drives women wild and Andorstenone makes them really nervous and fidgety out of nervous attraction. I think getting both of those qualities together cannot lose. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/11 "2009-10-03T17:24:39Z")
Wagg got me walked all over and there is some speculation that it contains epiandrosterone the beta isomer of alpha androsterone. Or pehaps has both, instant gentleman had very similar wagg like reactions and also chikara had the same as well but with a good none boost. There were also many comments of me looking very young with those used seperately. So I suppose they are beta formulas made for macho man randy savage. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/12 "2009-10-03T17:35:28Z")
Hmm, I went through 2 bottles of WAGG and never experienced being walked all over either. But then reactions to you are mostly about the persona you create with your words, actions, attitude, facial expressions, posture, etc. All mones do is add a little enhancement. I must say, Chikara didn’t do jack for me. I didn’t even get a “walked all over” vibe or at least I could say it worked in a negative way. Plus it smelled like cheap body spray. ---
**Author:** ![andrew88777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f14d63/32.png) [@andrew88777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andrew88777)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/13 "2009-10-03T17:35:57Z")
I do not know about WAGG. For more info here is a thread you can read. > [@Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19): > > In case anybody here doesn’t know, Evolutionary Psychology PERFECTLY, and I mean PERFECTLY… outlines the rone and none relationship. They just don’t use rone and none by name. I doubt most evolutionary psychologists have ever heard of these two [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), despite the fact that I made the connection almost immediately… “that’s a rone man they’re talking about!” and “that’s a none man they’re talking about!”. Evolutionary psychology really does describe two types of men, one who is basically hi… Gegogi has a very valid point though. With or without pheros you should never allow yourself to be walked all over. > [@crashbandicoot](#): > > Wagg got me walked all over and there is some speculation > that it contains epiandrosterone the beta isomer of alpha androsterone. > Or pehaps has both, instant gentleman had very similar wagg like reactions and also chikara had the same as well but with a good none boost. There were also many comments of me looking very young with those used seperately. So I suppose they are beta formulas made for macho man randy savage. ---
**Author:** ![crashbandicoot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/crashbandicoot/32/2321_2.png) [@crashbandicoot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/crashbandicoot)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/14 "2009-10-25T19:33:13Z")
when I wore wagg even kids and toddlers wanted to kick my ass, And nobody let me talk which is rare for me. Although wagg got me some beautiful babes talking to me like a friend or a fat lil brother. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/15 "2010-09-10T23:44:17Z")
neither… a balance of both, such as ammo ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/16 "2010-09-11T01:10:48Z")
True Alpha imo comes from a high Rone signature moreso than a high none signature. Consider it this way. High None is associated with youth, virility and physical dominance. In our evolutionary pre-history this was the pheromone signal of the tribal warrior. Rone increases with age and is still associated with health, but in the ancient past if a male got to a certain age he wasn’t likely strong or quick enough to be a hunter/warrior but was experienced enough to be considered a respected elder, and had likely formed enough alliances by this time to become part of the tribal counsel or possibly the chief. So while the young mating age females might feel attraction and lust for the young strong None sporting “Great Hunter”, the Rone signal of the tribal elder reminded her that survival of both her and her offspring depended on the approval of the tribe. And while the Hunter/Warrior’s high None signal says “I can kick your ass old man” The Elder/Chief’s high Rone signal says “and I can snap my fingers and have a dozen men beat you to death before you do…and then I’ll impregnate that girl you like so sit down and know your role boy” ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/17 "2010-09-11T04:10:37Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Hopefully that statement by Harris is out of context. Taken at face it is pretty much BS. Behavior reality is not that simple or black and white. Very few women would desert her man to bump uglies and make a baby with some stinky armpit dude with more androstenone. Humans do not respond to mones with involuntary behavior like insects or lower mammals. The human brain is still in control and, only a retard or a fool would act on a whimsical impulse. Methinks giving a little too much power to mones. > > I’ve worn chemset androsterone a lot and must say I never–not once–experienced “being walked all over.” Of course I don’t let that sorta shit happen without mones either. If you’re a weenie and prone to being taken advantage of, mones ain’t gonna change your essential character. While I get your point, there are studies that show that a very significant percentage of children of married couples are in fact the child of another man unbeknown to the husband. It’s something like around 10%. The theory behind that is women marry a provider (erone) and cheat on their husband with a bad boy (-none). I’ve read this in both David D’s Attraction is not a choice e-book, as well as seen a few news articles discussing the same information. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 9:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/18 "2010-09-11T09:07:50Z")
> [@thegentleman](#): > > While I get your point, there are studies that show that a very significant percentage of children of married couples are in fact the child of another man unbeknown to the husband. It’s something like around 10%. > The theory behind that is women marry a provider (erone) and cheat on their husband with a bad boy (-none). > I’ve read this in both David D’s Attraction is not a choice e-book, as well as seen a few news articles discussing the same information. Yup, I think they did some research in the UK and had that result or even worse. I actually think the percentage was even more scary. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/19 "2010-09-11T17:39:21Z")
I had heard/read that is was like 1 in 4 men. ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-more-alpha-androstenone-or-androsterone/32951/20 "2010-09-11T19:25:26Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I had heard/read that is was like 1 in 4 men. Something like that. If I were a British family man, I’d be gnawing my knuckles…