# What's the difference between androstenone (-none) and androsterone (-rone)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 18, 2007, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650 "2007-01-18T12:34:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/1 "2007-01-18T12:34:59Z")
… between -none and -rone? Hi guys. After what feels like a lifetime of waiting, I will have my next wage packet in my bank account in a week or so. I’ve also got a substantial windfall from an unexpected source. I’ll soon have the freedom to go mental with [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) with the rest of you. I’ve made a fairly large list after a lot of research. It might seem large for a beginner, but you only live once and I only bet what I can afford to lose. But there’s one phero I’m not entirely certain of. Androsterone. If anyone can tell me the difference between -none and -rone, I’d be grateful. -none has been very well studied, and the effects are well known. I’m not so certain about androsterone - effects, dosage, when and where it should be used etc. Thanks for any help. Musk ---
**Author:** ![PheroB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PheroB](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroB)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/2 "2007-01-18T14:32:40Z")
-None : Stinks , makes agression / anxiety on some people , sexual -Androsterone : Fatherly vibe, Seems to act as an amplifier / Tamer of other pheromones Hope it Helps … PheroB 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/3 "2007-01-18T16:21:05Z")
I would guess that the -Rone is an essential component of A314 and of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). You’re right, I don’t think there is much written about the -Rone as a solo pheromone nor as an independent mix element. ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/4 "2007-01-18T19:11:52Z")
I was looking for a phero that had the effect of -none on women with none of the negatives. I could do without the ovulation timing issues that -none has, since I have a specific target in mind, and I don’t want to open fire at random. When browsing through the forums a few days ago, I came across a post that said -rone was the #1 male phero. I can’t find it again, and I can’t remember if the poster mentioned why he considered it #1. Might just forget it and use P79, or a P79 + [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) combo ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/5 "2007-01-19T02:18:23Z")
-rone seems to be at the heart of a314. And I would think J V Kohl’s site (`http://www.pheromones.com`) would have something on it as he uses it in his Scent of Eros product. [www.pherolibrary.com](http://www.pherolibrary.com) might have info as well. I recall androsterone is a “masculine” vibe product. Androstenone is more of an “agressive/dominance” [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/6 "2007-01-19T21:39:50Z")
OK, so I get the impression it’s a smoother, _sexy_ phero, as opposed to the balls out _sexual_ nature of -none. That’s another to think about adding to my list. Thanks for the links, Rbt. They were useful. Musk ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2007, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-the-difference-between-androstenone-none-and-androsterone-rone/1650/7 "2007-01-20T03:05:27Z")
MuskCloud, from my post at [androsterone and men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androsterone-and-men/1034) : \*From my experience with Chemistry-set Androsterone, it would give you: - increases in attention from others;\* _- a non-threatening masculine presence which gives you none of the negative effects of Androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) such as appearing too aggressive or intimidating to young girls and betas in general (however without the sexual hits that you get from \*Androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))_-rich products); _- a slight increase in respect although nowhere near as powerfull as the ‘fear’ kind of response that you get with_ Androstenone\* ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))_;_ _- also Androsterone seems to be good for giving a mix a charismatic kind of effect and seems to, as long as you dont wear too much, enhance the hits you get from other pheromones;_ \*- it also seems to make other people stay away from your territory, a kind of spacing effect, especially at higher dosages where with some people I would almost get ‘invisibility’ type reactions; - I definitely get a caffeine-like energy buzz/lift within the first hour of application of -Androsterone. Now **A314** is completely different to straight -Androsterone. It seems to give a powerful ‘respect’ backbone to -Rone as well as a more high-value vibe. It is different in lots of other ways I am sure. In **A314** , Androtics tried to eliminate the worst aspects and enhance the best aspects of -Androsterone. And they should be congratulated in creating something so unique that you would think it is a completely separate pheromone when it is not. Visionary\*