# What's your perfect AMMO? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 10, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792 "2011-04-10T00:33:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/1 "2011-04-10T00:33:51Z")
If you could customize your own Ammo, a product that would be perfect for use by itself, for you, how would you make it? Ammo “bisso” edition, mark my words this will be for sale next month 😃 \*\*Goal **All around good product for day and night, that would be used effectively for work life and social life with one spray \*\* Composition** AndrosteRONE: 20 mcg AndrosteNONE: 5 mcg Beta Androstenol: 15 mcg Alpha Androstenol: 5 mcg TAA: 15 mcg P83 : 40 mcg **Fragrance** [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) 20% strength That would be one hell of a mix, for me! \*\*😛 \*\*Oh, and a gallon spray ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/2 "2011-04-12T02:04:47Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > If you could customize your own Ammo, a product that would be perfect for use by itself, for you, how would you make it? > > Ammo “bisso” edition, mark my words this will be for sale next month 😃 > > \*\*Goal > **All around good product for day and night, that would be used effectively for work life and social life with one spray > \*\* > Composition** > > AndrosteRONE: 20 mcg > AndrosteNONE: 5 mcg > Beta Androstenol: 15 mcg > Alpha Androstenol: 5 mcg > TAA: 15 mcg > P83 : 40 mcg > > **Fragrance** > Akuto 20% strength > > That would be one hell of a mix, for me! \*\*😛 > > \*\*Oh, and a gallon spray I have to ask, Did you individually tested those molecules? Did you try them together at those concentrations? Golly, I’m beginning to sound like M&M 😕 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/3 "2011-04-12T03:13:36Z")
> [@Ftordces](#): > > I have to ask, Did you individually tested those molecules? Did you try them together at those concentrations? Golly, I’m beginning to sound like M&M 😕 Nice try, Ft! Blame the bald guy, eh!? 😠 I’ve never asked any of those questions, Sir. All I ever wanna know is the mcg and ages, thank you. 🙄 Wait! Is there another M&M on the forum? :o Try that again, and I’m gonna tell Steve! 😠 **P.S.** And have a nice day! ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/4 "2011-04-12T05:26:44Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Nice try, Ft! Blame the bald guy, eh!? 😠 I’ve never asked any of those questions, Sir. All I ever wanna know is the mcg and ages, thank you. 🙄 > > Wait! Is there another M&M on the forum? :o > > Try that again, and I’m gonna tell Steve! 😠 > > **P.S.** And have a nice day! ROFLOL, I just got a good laugh 😃, I don’t mean the content LOL, I mean style LOL, U2 have a nice day mister MX2 ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 10:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/5 "2011-04-12T10:28:57Z")
> [@Ftordces](#): > > I have to ask, Did you individually tested those molecules? Did you try them together at those concentrations? Golly, I’m beginning to sound like M&M 😕 yes i did 🙂 , as part of the Instant Line products ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/6 "2011-04-12T11:03:13Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > yes i did 🙂 , as part of the Instant Line products You would be suprised at how different, single molecules are to the consumer line products, for example I have found that IO works much better for me then straight Alphanol and does’nt give off such a clownish vibe, The other molecules that are added to the consumer line are put in there for a good reason. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/7 "2011-04-12T12:31:39Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > yes i did 🙂 , as part of the Instant Line products Just a little heads up. I’ve tested Instant Line and these putatives. They are NOT the same thing. Otherwise AD would just take a molecule, slap a fancy name on it, and call it a day. IO and IH have approx reverse ratios of Alpha nol to beta nol. IG and A314 have different steering molecules. TUTH and IJ give completely different effects, not to mention such a variance in strength. TAA and Instant shine might be the only close thing that comes there. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) at 40mcg? Seems like you just decided to throw some numbers around. Sorry to put a damper on this but the ratio of concentration, how well they work together, what the primary molecule is, what a steering molecule is, is so complicated that it’s not as easy as looking at reports on the forum and tossing them all together into one mix and expecting all those great things to come together. Making your own combo/mix takes some time and patience. Adjusting ratios here and there taking a molecule out, putting another one in, upping the dose, reducing the dose all go into account. Moreover you would need to have a really good and in depth understanding of how each one works to even get close to the effects you want. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/8 "2011-04-12T12:52:18Z")
Mustang is right, the synergy of products and molecules is very important. For example I can wear instant jerk to work with a lot more ease than say tuth in spite of jerk being a much higher dose of none. TuTH however works great for me when combined with A314. Then as Tish has said in another thread, virtually any product or vibe can be steered toward sex with your behavior, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is not overtly sexual but can be very attractive and sexy to some women. TuTH on the other hand is very blatantly sexual. But they may not work the same if combined. Part of the appeal of Gentleman is that the lack of none communicates maturity and there’s a relaxing vibe that comes from not having that urgent “I gotta get me some” vibe of heavy none. Adding TuTH could lose that, but there are also reports that something in IG works as a buffer on none, seems to reign it in a bit. (not saying this is the case, your experiences may differ) but if it’s true, then mixing IG with the none product of your choice could possibly ruin the vibes of both. The time consuming but most precise way to know how to combine products and ratio’s is to first find your sweet spot for each individual product or molecule. and then consider one as your base that you plan on building on. Start with your sweet spot for that product and then add a second item at your sweet spot dose. If two products contain some of the same molecules you may find you need to reduce one to avoid od. My “ammo” is honestly MX301. The none was there, it had 3 great buffers in TAC, TAA and Bnol, the P74 and P93 acted as a sort of cross between respect oriented None and a social “great guy”/“boyfriend quality” sort of effect. Frankly that product for me did everything I expected Ammo to do, both as a stand alone and mixed with my precious A314. No need for me to play amateur chemist. Just sit and lament it’s passing ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Ftordces](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7feea3/32.png) [@Ftordces](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ftordces)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/9 "2011-04-12T14:44:23Z")
> [@bisso30](#): > > yes i did 🙂 , as part of the Instant Line products Sorry but it did seemed to me that your formula was a bit arbitrary, I am not saying that I know more than you do but it does take time and experimentation to understand all of those molecules, not to mention how they play with your body chemistry and the physical\psychological response they’d create on those that enter your phero cloud. If you read the other responses from the more experienced members you’ll see that is what they are saying. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/10 "2011-04-12T15:56:52Z")
I say put all those ingredients together, try it, testit refine it…and get back to us. Seems like a fun project. ---
**Author:** ![bisso30](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@bisso30](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bisso30)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-your-perfect-ammo/49792/11 "2011-04-12T17:40:30Z")
Nice! Good stuff guys, some much to test so little time (and skin) 😃