# When good pheros go bad! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 16, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877 "2009-12-16T14:14:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/1 "2009-12-16T14:14:06Z")
Copied from journal **When good pheros go bad!** Hello, this is little report on how things went at dance class last night. It was using a slight variation of mix that has been going well, but last night did not go to well. Started beginners class near the end as am quite a good dancer but use the beginner class to test pheros and get to know new comers. At end of class we start freestyle and when this dance finished i ask women sitting on side to dance, now the rule is not to refuse a dance unless you have good reason, going to toilet, need a break as just finished dancing. This woman had not danced yet and when i asked she refused saying she was ok, and then as i walk away she promptly got up and danced with someone else! Now i don’t get refused very often at all and if do it is for the reasons already given. In past any refusal would have ended my night as social anxiety would be too bad, but this is no longer the case, however after i was refused this time my social anxiety went through the roof. I did ask someone i knew to dance straight away bit while dancing i could feel myself getting all flushed and anxious and not feeling good. I can only assume this is P83 intensifying the anxiety as i have seen it do before, when P83 is good it is good but when it is bad it is very bad. Lucky i had some MX291 in bag so gave myself a spray on front of neck. MX291 is really chilled mix and gives you chilled out who cares feeling, this helped along with de-stressing techniques. Rest of night went ok, but was lingering anxious feeling that did not go away. **Product name, strength** and **dosage** 3x Ammo togo 1x [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) 2x Instant Honesty x2 (normally IO ) P74 12.5mcg P75 2.5 mcg P78 20mcg P83 20mcg 1 x A1 12 mcg TAL 5 mcg **Application locations** Ammo - inner forearms Instant Gentleman - back of hair Instant Openness - front of hair P74 - inner wrists P75 - front of hair P78 - Hair P83 - back of hair A1 - back of hair TAL - inner wrists \*\*Environment tested in. **Dance night** , \*\*2 lessons and freestyle, gets very hot and sweaty which is why i applied to arms and hair. Lot of women, class rotates so get exposure to lot of them. Did half of beginner class and all intermediate and freestyle. **Self effects.** Normally feel very good and confident with this mix. Have had to be careful with P83 as can send the socail anxierty into over drive if not careful so have applied later when sure everything is ok though as things been going ok i have started adding with others, but as describe above this can go wrong. **Effects to others** The aim of mix is to get women very relaxed and comfortable with me, ammo was really just to balance TAL. Well it seems that it worked a treat 😃 normally. ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/2 "2009-12-16T16:07:52Z")
Wow you seem to have applied the more is better rule. Your sweat could have made it worse. Probably OD. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/3 "2009-12-16T16:31:13Z")
Sounds like you need a little light, BC. Remember that there will _ **ALWAYS** _ BE A TARGET/PERSON/TARGETS THAT YOUR SIGNATURE WILL OFFEND/TURN OFF/SCARE OFF, as long as you play with mones. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/4 "2009-12-16T17:22:46Z")
> [@dude](#): > > Wow you seem to have applied the more is better rule. Your sweat could have made it worse. Probably OD. No this was not an OD, this mix has been working well, though do normally use only 1 spray of IOx2 (IH this time), that said i wonder if the extra IH is what caused the woman to refuse me? ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/5 "2009-12-16T17:27:41Z")
Most of the time too much much sweat and warmth causes BO that even deodorants can’t mask. Were you on anti-perspirant? ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/6 "2009-12-16T17:33:12Z")
> [@dude](#): > > Most of the time too much much sweat and warmth causes BO that even deodorants can’t mask. Were you on anti-perspirant? This was very early on and so had not started sweating, also had on GIT as cover plus the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) scent. First off this was not so much about her rejecting me as to my reaction, if i was getting blow out all night then yes i would get worried, as said i used this mix (except IH) on a few occasions without issues except that i know P83 can up my anxiety if it starts. ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/7 "2009-12-16T17:39:12Z")
Alpha Androstenol is the original [pheromone](https://a314.com/) that is quoted in many research papers that points to positive reaction in women. There’s little to no research on Beta Androstenol to back it up, so it could very well be IH that caused the difference in her or even yourself. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/8 "2009-12-16T18:23:38Z")
> [@dude](#): > > Alpha Androstenol is the original pheromone that is quoted in many research papers that points to positive reaction in women. There’s little to no research on Beta Androstenol to back it up, so it could very well be IH that caused the difference in her or even yourself. Yes could be but was only this one woman and have used IH in past with good results, could be just the amount and what it was used with or just was trigger for this women to be very honest about who she danced with whereas normally she would react like others and just accept the dance! But as said it this was more about my reaction, i was at a point where if i got the very occasional knock back it was not too much of an issue but this time not only did it affect me but physically i was affected too with a hot flush, and as said i only really get these extreme anxiety feelings now if i get anxious when waring [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). ---
**Author:** ![dude](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dude/32/2011_2.png) [@dude](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dude)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/9 "2009-12-16T18:27:38Z")
Well it could be the placebo effect of your belief that p83 does that or in fact it is the effect of p83. Leave it out next time and you will know for sure! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/10 "2009-12-16T18:35:41Z")
> [@dude](#): > > Well it could be the placebo effect of your belief that p83 does that or in fact it is the effect of p83. Leave it out next time and you will know for sure! 🙂 Could be but the evidence points to that not being the case, i have left it out of mix because it had these effects and only added it when i felt all was well, and as said i only recently started adding it along with others pheros at initial application. I am not the only one with SA who has noticed this effect with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/11 "2009-12-17T03:34:21Z")
Why did this woman refuse to dance? You don’t know. You can’t really know. Maybe it was simply that she had her eye on the other guy who asked her to dance and was waiting for him to ask her to dance. It’s not necessarily about you. It may have been the pheros, it may not. If a particular phero mix _consistently_ results in negative hits, then you know it’s the pheros… probably. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 4:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/12 "2009-12-17T04:40:28Z")
Yeah, or she probably wasn’t attracted to you. When a guy is wearing a killer mix that delivers constant positive results it still doesn’t mean that every woman is going to change her mind about a guy she may not find of interest or have a girl who normally wouldn’t be interested in you to then suddenly become interested in you. She would have to find you attractive subconsciously in order for that to happen; as Tisha has mentioned [pheromones](https://a314.com/) don’t manipulate people to do things they wouldn’t want to do. So don’t fret, I’m sure your mix is still a killer mix. Let downs are just still bound to happen is all, pheromone or no pheromone. > [@tezza23](#): > > Why did this woman refuse to dance? > > You don’t know. You can’t really know. Maybe it was simply that she had her eye on the other guy who asked her to dance and was waiting for him to ask her to dance. It’s not necessarily about you. It may have been the pheros, it may not. If a particular phero mix _consistently_ results in negative hits, then you know it’s the pheros… probably. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 11:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/13 "2009-12-17T11:11:16Z")
Thanks for replies, seems that everyone is fixed on why i was rejected, to me it was not that i was rejected. I can ask 10 women a night, 3/4 nights a week and may get reject on average once every 6 months so accept it happens. What was noticeable was my reaction, which was extreme even for me and my social anxiety. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/14 "2009-12-17T11:33:31Z")
I have social anxiety as well, which can get pretty bad. So I want to say that I think I know what you’re talking about; do you think it affected you so much enough to trigger your social anxiety because something that hardly doesn’t happen to you (get rejected) finally happened and caught you off guard? Sending you into a panic because it possibly hurt being rejected and (once again) _possibly_ was a major blow to your confidence, ego, and good mood? The rejection spiraling you down to an anxiety filled emotion? What I mean is, for example sometimes I’ll be in the best of moods and suddenly something like that happens to me which catches me of guard in return killing my good mood, making the anxiety kick in, and the depression kick in as well. Be it by being put down, something bad happening, or being hurt by someone you love. Do you think this is the case with you? Being rejected by even just one girl can be enough to cause all this, the power women have against us men is amazing. They can hurt us with a single “no.” ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/15 "2009-12-17T12:10:14Z")
mikotorocks714, yes that is what happened, normally when rejected at dancing i can justify by what they say or do, ie they say ‘sorry need a break’ or someone trod on my foot so resting a bit’ etc and i see they don’t dance but this women just got straight up and danced with someone else, if she had said sorry saved the dance for so and so, it would have been ok and i could have justified it. As you say the fact that she just got up really caught me off guard and as i have issues with being rejected by women (reject by mother at young age) it really hit a nerve. I still think the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) increased the anxiety as have had it do it before, but now thinking the IH may also be a factor as i was being honest about my own emotions and not able to hide behind coping mechanism. > [@mikotorocks714](#): > > I have social anxiety as well, which can get pretty bad. So I want to say that I think I know what you’re talking about; do you think it affected you so much enough to trigger your social anxiety because something that hardly doesn’t happen to you (get rejected) finally happened and caught you off guard? Sending you into a panic because it possibly hurt being rejected and (once again) _possibly_ was a major blow to your confidence, ego, and good mood? The rejection spiraling you down to an anxiety filled emotion? > > What I mean is, for example sometimes I’ll be in the best of moods and suddenly something like that happens to me which catches me of guard in return killing my good mood, making the anxiety kick in, and the depression kick in as well. Be it by being put down, something bad happening, or being hurt by someone you love. Do you think this is the case with you? Being rejected by even just one girl can be enough to cause all this, the power women have against us men is amazing. They can hurt us with a single “no.” ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/16 "2009-12-17T19:13:50Z")
Hm, I can totally relate to you on the rejection part. It still hurts even at my current age, rejection is never good especially when it’s done without a reason. I mean, why not just be honest and give a reason? Besides her not giving you a reason, I wonder if she also rejected you out of fear of the guy she had her eye on possibly getting mad at her for dancing with you? Or perhaps she didn’t want him to lose hint of the fact that she didn’t want to dance with any other man but her “target” guy? Who knows, I wasn’t there but women can be weird sometimes, especially ones like her who didn’t care to at least give you a better reason. > [@BubbleCatcher](#): > > mikotorocks714, yes that is what happened, normally when rejected at dancing i can justify by what they say or do, ie they say ‘sorry need a break’ or someone trod on my foot so resting a bit’ etc and i see they don’t dance but this women just got straight up and danced with someone else, if she had said sorry saved the dance for so and so, it would have been ok and i could have justified it. > > As you say the fact that she just got up really caught me off guard and as i have issues with being rejected by women (reject by mother at young age) it really hit a nerve. I still think the P83 increased the anxiety as have had it do it before, but now thinking the IH may also be a factor as i was being honest about my own emotions and not able to hide behind coping mechanism. ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-good-pheros-go-bad/34877/17 "2009-12-17T19:59:36Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Or perhaps she didn’t want him to lose hint of the fact that she didn’t want to dance with any other man but her “target” guy? Hi, this not like a night club and the dancing that takes place there being a prelude or part of mating ritual. This is dancing for dancing stake, not saying that people don’t get together as they do but when you start you told never to refuse i a dance, it social activity where you dance with many people many who you do not know and have not met before. Refusals do happen, but the norm is to at least make an effort to appear genuine. Any way am over it now and onto the next challenge 🙂