# When my ammo runs out.. (I don't dig it as a cologne) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 16, 2007, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041 "2007-10-16T02:02:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/1 "2007-10-16T02:02:09Z")
And I like being able to wear certain colognes that I have, but some just don’t mix with ammo very well. I’ve got like a third of my first purchase left(which has lasted me like half a year now, so I probably won’t run out for a while), but I’m wondering.. when it runs out, rather than purchasing ammo again should I purchase a bottle of androstenone? And then mix spraying it with CTTM and my cologne? Isn’t that basically what ammo is? I love the effects that ammo gets me and I’m wondering if I can replicate that with another mix besides just getting ammo again, because I don’t want the cologne fragrance ammo has. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/2 "2007-10-16T02:08:20Z")
eh…I wouldn’t recomend that. Using pure -none without the right buffers can lead to bad experiences. -none is just tricky to work with, and I believe ammo is more complex than just -none and cttm. Perhaps they’ve released more info on it since I wan a forum regular, but I was sure it had more stuff in it than just the -nols and -none. If you like ammo that much, i’d recomend trying to get a bottle scented in light neroli. (as uncented will cause the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to not be as effective as with the neroli mixed in) Neroli tends to blend will with most colognes. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 8:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/3 "2007-10-16T08:18:29Z")
Or get unscented 2X [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and premix 1:1 with your fav cologne in an atomizer. I did it with IH and I’m in hog heaven. I’ve also been doing it for years with chemset androstenone and Burberry Weekend (mixed 5:1 cologne to Anone). Thus instead of the fermented fruit stink of neroli, you get to use your fav cologne for increased diffusion. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/4 "2007-10-16T08:51:47Z")
> [@](#): > > -none is just tricky to work with, and I believe [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is more complex than just -none and cttm. Perhaps they’ve released more info on it since I wan a forum regular, but I was sure it had more stuff in it than just the -nols and -none. Ammo has 3 mones in it. I dont believe CTTM is one of them. It has 7.5 mcg of mones total. One third of that is anone but nobody knows what the other two thirds are. You may be right and its one of the nols but if you want an exact duplicate of ammo then your better off buying unscented. Gegogi’s method is good for using your own cologne as well but keep in mind its not the same as Ammo and he is older then you so that much none probably will work better for him. He also has alot of experience mixing mones. I am not saying you shouldnt because the only way to get that experience is to just do it but Its something to keep in mind before spending money. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 8:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/5 "2007-10-16T08:58:57Z")
Where can I purchase an unscented version? Does it come single strength? And what about this whole mixing process.. any threads on what I need/how to do it? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/6 "2007-10-16T09:36:29Z")
The custom order thingie allows stronger concentrations and scents (or lack of scent). If you really wanta roll ya own buy chemset androstenone, androsterone and androstenol stir and mix with cologne (small batches of course until tweaked). The Alter Ego ratio is well known but you’ll have to guess at Ammo’s magic ratio and add a zap of IShine to seal the deal. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/7 "2007-10-16T09:41:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Where can I purchase an unscented version? Does it come single strength? And what about this whole mixing process.. any threads on what I need/how to do it? Right here [Men’s Fragrance Customization :: Custom Additions :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones](https://a314.com/) You place your order like normal then before checkout go to the custom additions link on the main page down from the mens product links. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/8 "2007-10-16T09:44:28Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > The custom order thingie allows stronger concentrations and scents (or lack of scent). > > If you really wanta roll ya own buy chemset androstenone, androsterone and androstenol stir and mix with cologne (small batches of course until tweaked). The Alter Ego ratio is well known but you’ll have to guess at Ammo’s magic ratio and add a zap of IS to seal the deal. Gegogi around how much do you think a 21 year old should use? I know its different for everyone but maybe if you give a sort of baseline as to how much you use in how much cologne he can tweak it. This will give him more options to choose from. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![joecool](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joecool/32/726_2.png) [@joecool](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joecool)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 11:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/9 "2007-10-16T11:01:51Z")
thank you for the tip, I didn’t know about this customisation thing. I’m looking for unfragranced ammo too. So ammo is -none, -nol and -rone ? interesting 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/10 "2007-10-16T11:29:01Z")
> [@joecool](#): > > thank you for the tip, I didn’t know about this customisation thing. I’m looking for unfragranced ammo too. > > So ammo is -none, -Androstenol and -Androsterone ? interesting 🙂 Yes and some other stuff possibly too… ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/11 "2007-10-16T13:47:14Z")
Jasmin had posted earlier Ammo 1.0 has -nol, -rone and -none, and Ammo 1.5 is Ammo 1.0 + TAA. CTTM has a-nol and b-nol. B-nol is not in either of the two mainstream verions of Ammo. ---
**Author:** ![snook\_assassin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snook_assassin/32/1107_2.png) [@snook\_assassin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snook_assassin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/12 "2007-10-16T13:57:12Z")
Thanks for the extra info, Nbully! Reps to u! ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/13 "2007-10-16T14:00:32Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Jasmin had posted earlier Ammo 1.0 has -Androstenol, -Androsterone and -none, and Ammo 1.5 is Ammo 1.0 + TAA. CTTM has a-Androstenol and b-Androstenol. B-Androstenol is not in either of the two mainstream verions of Ammo. I think there’s something else too. possibly a little TAF there.. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/14 "2007-10-16T14:19:16Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > I think there’s something else too. possibly a little TAF there.. Michael had earlier mentioned that TAF is added in very small quantities in all of the Instant Line products but it has never been disclosed if it is in Ammo as well. Who knows..it wouldn’t hurt to have TAF in any mix. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/15 "2007-10-16T15:27:51Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Michael had earlier mentioned that TAF is added in very small quantities in all of the Instant Line products but it has never been disclosed if it is in Ammo as well. Who knows..it wouldn’t hurt to have TAF in any mix. I know.. which is why I said possibly… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/16 "2007-10-16T15:35:58Z")
> [@snook\_assassin](#): > > Thanks for the extra info, Nbully! Reps to u! Ooo…reps from the snook himself! Thanks man!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/17 "2007-10-16T18:41:32Z")
Don’t get unscented!!!😮 Really though, Unscented doesn’t have the best diffusive properties. The distance of pheromone travel and divusion are greatly affected by having an essential oil mixed in. Make sure you at least have it scented with light neroli. (or cocunut) It makes a huge difference. Spraying your collogne over the aplication point of an [unscented pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/) doesn’t substitute for having an oil mixed in. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/18 "2007-10-16T19:01:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Really though, Unscented doesn’t have the best diffusive properties. That why you premix with your fav cologne or EOs, i.e., physically mix EOs and/or cologne with pheromones in a bottle. The reason I buy unscented is all about being able to choose my fragrances and vary them as I please. I have half a dozen atomizers premixed with my fav pheromones and colognes, ready to use on the run. In fact I just sprayed myself with my Alter Ego clone premixed with Burberry Weekend. It’s all about choice. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/19 "2007-10-16T19:14:33Z")
where can you buy colognes just as oils though? Wouldn’t you need Dipropylene Glycol in order mix the EO’s with the pheromones? I know I tried to mix blue lotus oil with unscented beta nol and they separated. ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041/20 "2007-10-16T19:42:13Z")
Thanks guys, I’ll give you all reps when I’m not on a bad computer. And I’m 19, 20 in a two months. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-my-ammo-runs-out-i-dont-dig-it-as-a-cologne/6041.md?page=2)