# When wearing pheros are you always the person associated with the effects? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 25, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957 "2014-01-25T01:20:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/1 "2014-01-25T01:20:36Z")
I couldn’t find anything else in any of the forum posts related to this so here’s my question. When you are wearing ammo and instant shine and you’re in a group of people I read that instant shine will enhance the moods of those around you and your own mood. If everyone is getting on well with each other perhaps better than they would if you had not been there wearing instant shine, would they still associate that feeling with you or other people there? Also, if you’re wearing ammo and you are next to a few other guys and there is a girl nearby, what’s to stop her from assuming the attractive vibe isn’t coming from someone else near you when it is actually coming from you? Does it work better if say, you are wearing ammo and it’s just you and the girl on a date without anyone else around? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/2 "2014-01-25T02:49:43Z")
It depends on several things - Notably the scent you are wearing and your congruency with the phero sig. Some scents (notably Neroli) diffuse in an even ball around you, whilst others like FF21 have a wispy/tralling pattern that leads more directly to you. However, no matter how effective the scent, if you don’t demonstrate behaviour to match the phero sig, then any interest developed will quickly go elsewhere and that could be the guy standing beside you. Similarly, someone exposed to your pheros but with an existing partner may well get turned-on but take their passions encouraged by your pheros out on the partner later - Look on this as your gift to them! 😉 Air volume is a factor - the larger space the worse the diffusion. Get a subject in a car with you - well, I have been asked to find a place to pull-over and “do things” after a while! 😃 Not so much the one-on one factor, although it does help for a load of reasons including the opportunity to project attractive traits undisturbed, more generally close proximity is good. Don’t look for hits across a crowded room, go for the lady right beside/in front of you! And there are any amount of threads on this if you look a bit harder. ---
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 10:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/3 "2014-01-25T10:13:32Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > It depends on several things - Notably the scent you are wearing and your congruency with the phero sig. > > Some scents (notably Neroli) diffuse in an even ball around you, whilst others like FF21 have a wispy/tralling pattern that leads more directly to you. > > However, no matter how effective the scent, if you don’t demonstrate behaviour to match the phero sig, then any interest developed will quickly go elsewhere and that could be the guy standing beside you. Similarly, someone exposed to your pheros but with an existing partner may well get turned-on but take their passions encouraged by your pheros out on the partner later - Look on this as your gift to them! 😉 > > Air volume is a factor - the larger space the worse the diffusion. Get a subject in a car with you - well, I have been asked to find a place to pull-over and “do things” after a while! 😃 > > Not so much the one-on one factor, although it does help for a load of reasons including the opportunity to project attractive traits undisturbed, more generally close proximity is good. Don’t look for hits across a crowded room, go for the lady right beside/in front of you! > > And there are any amount of threads on this if you look a bit harder. Because I’m quite shy and don’t make it obvious when I find a woman attractive other than looking at them I’m probably not being congruent with the pheros. I’m not even sure how I would show interest other than smiling or trying to talk to them. I can talk to women I don’t find attractive but when I’m really attracted to women I literally think of 100s of reasons why they wouldn’t want attention from me. Maybe I should just try and if they’re not interested then no loss. But what kind of behaviour would I have when wearing ammo or ammo with instant shine to be congruent and to let a woman know I’m interested? I don’t find it hard to make conversation, I find it more difficult to flirt and I probably get put in the friend zone sometimes because of this. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/4 "2014-01-25T13:39:08Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) + IS definitely works better on outgoing guys I think. Maybe something like IG would be a better match for your personality? Sounds like you need some Game my friend. This is not a PUA forum, but I think I’d be a good investment for you to pick up some PUA and body language material, so you start noticing the signals the ladies are sending you. Mones give you more oppurtunties (more hits), but you still need game to capitalize on them. Just my two cents. Send me a message if you need advice on reading material. ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/5 "2014-01-25T14:04:23Z")
> [@Username1234](#): > > Because I’m quite shy and don’t make it obvious when I find a woman attractive other than looking at them I’m probably not being congruent with the pheros. I’m not even sure how I would show interest other than smiling or trying to talk to them. I can talk to women I don’t find attractive but when I’m really attracted to women I literally think of 100s of reasons why they wouldn’t want attention from me. Maybe I should just try and if they’re not interested then no loss. But what kind of behaviour would I have when wearing ammo or ammo with instant shine to be congruent and to let a woman know I’m interested? I don’t find it hard to make conversation, I find it more difficult to flirt and I probably get put in the friend zone sometimes because of this. As Himeros said, snag a book on game/PUA material. The Tao of Badass was where I started about 8 months ago there are other great books out there. Mones only open the door. The PERFECT mone mix for a target is at best 30%, most days mones are about 10% of the equation and game 60 to 80% with all other factors such as a nice face, great car, money, etc being the remaining 10 to 30%. Snag a book that you think will help and practice, practice, practice. ---
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/6 "2014-01-25T15:18:44Z")
> [@Himeros](#): > > Sounds like you need some Game my friend. This is not a PUA forum, but I think I’d be a good investment for you to pick up some PUA and body language material, so you start noticing the signals the ladies are sending you. Mones give you more oppurtunties (more hits), but you still need game to capitalize on them. I think I definitely need to learn about body language and signals women give when they’re attracted to someone. I think even if women are showing signs of interest I wouldn’t be picking up on it, and when I do I don’t think I would actually act on it. I do notice women looking every now and then, and sometimes they smile or try and make small talk on occasions, but surely I can’t take that as in IOI? I’m learning alot already from reading posts on this forum, and from the effects I have seen when using IS. I haven’t been in any situations like parties or bars when using ammo so can’t really tell the effects of that yet. I’ve noticed that some women, particularly older women seem to stand very close to me a few times when wearing ammo. I need to test ammo and ammo and IS when at a party or bar to get a better idea of how they work for attracting women 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/7 "2014-01-25T17:18:59Z")
Himeros is right - You are going to have to do something about your shyness/sociaability or pheros won’t do a great deal for you. Look on it as a two-part thing. Pheros will help you be more social and they **may** help confidence/self image (self-effects are very variable, so don’t rely on them long-term), then your improvements in social/attractive behaviour will be supported by your pheros and everything will work better overall. It can take a while but positive steps to change you behaviour/mindset will have the greatest effect and longest lasting impact in your life - and the pheros will support this further. OK, I’m highly ambivalent about and take huge exception to some aspects of the PUA mindset/culture but I can’t deny that there is a lot of good basic advice and info to learn there and on some levels it will help you a lot. Just don’t lose hold of your own personality, outlook, worldview and values on the way. Refine it instead! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/8 "2014-01-25T17:36:48Z")
Hello, User! I agree that IG might be a more congruent signature for you. Or possibly [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). When we talk about being congruent, we don’t mean that you should change your personality to fit the mones. We mean that the mones should enhance the best of who you naturally are. Same with PUA techniques. It sounds like you do need to come out of your shell a bit, but in a way that allows you to discover the best of who you are, not pretend that you are someone else. And yes, women smiling at you and approaching you are IOI. As far as talking to you, there are various ways of talking that are IOI. You’ve probably experienced quite a few of them without realizing it. You can do a google search of IOI and pull up lists. I’ll bet you’ll be surprised at how many you recognize. And yeah, I think you just need to shut off that pesky voice that tells you why you will fail, or that girls shouldn’t like you. Those are all lies. It’s not based on reality. Every woman is different, and you really don’t know until you try. You’ve just got to get out there, practice, try, and find your rhythm! ---
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/9 "2014-01-25T17:50:00Z")
> [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > Hello, User! > I agree that IG might be a more congruent signature for you. Or possibly Summer Ammo. When we talk about being congruent, we don’t mean that you should change your personality to fit the mones. We mean that the mones should enhance the best of who you naturally are. Same with PUA techniques. It sounds like you do need to come out of your shell a bit, but in a way that allows you to discover the best of who you are, not pretend that you are someone else. Thanks Miss Dragon. Yes I definitely need to come out of my shell abit. I want to use pheros to help me do this, I think partly I made the noob mistake of thinking that I could wear them and then women will do all the work and come to me, and I didn’t realise that I had to be congruent with the pheros and show interest. With IS I have noticed that people are alot more talkative and happier when they’re around me, also it’s made me feel more comfortable being around others and talking to people, so now I’m going to try and come out of my shell abit when talking to women 🙂 > [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > And yes, women smiling at you and approaching you are IOI. As far as talking to you, there are various ways of talking that are IOI. You’ve probably experienced quite a few of them without realizing it. You can do a google search of IOI and pull up lists. I’ll bet you’ll be surprised at how many you recognize. All those missed opportunities 😉 when women do these things I usually think it’s just them being friendly and they wouldn’t want yet another guy reading into it and chasing them just when they decide to friendly. I’m going to not rule out the possibility they may be attracted to me from now on. > [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > And yeah, I think you just need to shut off that pesky voice that tells you why you will fail, or that girls shouldn’t like you. Those are all lies. It’s not based on reality. Every woman is different, and you really don’t know until you try. You’ve just got to get out there, practice, try, and find your rhythm! That’s the difficult part for me, but it will be fun finding out and trying different pheros and combinations while coming out of my shell. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-wearing-pheros-are-you-always-the-person-associated-with-the-effects/60957/10 "2014-01-25T18:03:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > OK, I’m highly ambivalent about and take huge exception to some aspects of the PUA mindset/culture but I can’t deny that there is a lot of good basic advice and info to learn there and on some levels it will help you a lot. Just don’t lose hold of your own personality, outlook, worldview and values on the way. Refine it instead! 🙂 Exactly. The important thing is to learn the basics - but to remain authentic. I myself don’t like to use the so called ‘canned material’ - proven routines you can run over and over again. It feels unnatural to me and is just not congruent with who I am. The psychological principles behind them I do like, so I learn from it and use them my own way. Basic seduction models like attraction \> rapport \> escalation is something I always keep in the back of my mind though, as reminder to steer things in the right direction.