# When will you guys realize that LOOKS are almost all that matters!? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 17, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619 "2009-08-17T05:04:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/202 "2009-08-23T03:47:30Z")
Advanced, you clearly seem fixated on the notion that you’re ugly, and that no woman will ever want you. We get it, point taken. Now what would _you_ want done about it? You said you’re getting plastic surgery. While I’ll give you a little bit of credit for taking some type of action, your solution is as helpful as a bandage for someone who fell on a chainsaw. Each surgery runs for about $5,000, and you’re getting 6 to 8 of them. That’s a grand total of $30,000 to $40,000. If it’s worth it to you, we can’t stop you, but you’ll giving money to an industry that preys on people with low self-esteem. And if your surgeon has any sense of medical ethics in him, he’ll encourage you to speak to a psychiatrist before he lets you have the operation. I’m actually sympathizing with you a little bit, because I used to feel the same way about life, although nowhere near as extreme. Until one day, I thought “WTF, this can’t be right”, and after going through a brief nihilistic phase, changed my outlook on life. I still don’t think I’m hot or anything, but I see it as a challenge to be overcome, not something that has the power to destroy me. However, I don’t think your looks are your only problem. You got a mindset that’s holding you back. Perhaps you have a neurological condition that you’re not aware of. If you’re willing to spend that much money on plastic surgery, you can easily afford to spend $200 to speak to a psychiatrist for an hour (and possibly save $30,000 as a result). This is not a shot at you, just advice from one man to another. Speaking of psychiatrists, you’d benefit the most from something called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). It basically states that thoughts lead to emotions, which lead to actions. In your case, your thoughts “I’m ugly” make you feel bad about yourself, which makes you act a certain way. A psychiatrist specializing in CBT will help you break that cycle. Do _not_ go to a specialists that don’t say much beyond “I see” and “how does that make you feel?” (also known as Rogerian or client-centered). In my opinion, they’re not very helpful, and might do you more harm than good. You seem very focused, almost preoccupied, on being a virgin. You know what? Get over yourself, and contact an escort service. My first girl wasn’t exactly a hottie, but if you’re saying that this isn’t an option for you, go the escort route. Now, _they_ won’t reject you based on your looks, only on your inability to pay. And from what you told us, you can afford to pay. Once you get rid of that v-card, perhaps you’ll get some clarity in your mind, calm down, and look at things more rationally. Heck, spend twice as much and do a threesome, just to make your first time really memorable. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/203 "2009-08-23T05:36:28Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > You seem very focused, almost preoccupied, on being a virgin. You know what? Get over yourself, and contact an escort service. My first girl wasn’t exactly a hottie, but if you’re saying that this isn’t an option for you, go the escort route Yeah I can pay $400 to have sex (with a condom) with a hooker that does not care about me, only wants my money, and wants to get the hell out ASAP. Not interested. This is not just about the act of sexual intercourse itself but about the general denial of a romantic relationship with a female and everything that goes along with it (love, sex, etc.). ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/204 "2009-08-23T06:08:37Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > I am being denied romantic love and sex…two things I naturally desire and IMO it is cruel I am being denied these things. Historians tell us that romantic love was an invention of the thirteenth century. It may not be as _natural_ a desire as you believe. You are overly idealizing “romantic love and sex”. You are so obsessed with the good things you imagine you are missing that you fail to recognize the problems you are avoiding. For many men the problems turn out to be greater than the benefits. The benefits are not so great as you imagine. The problems are bigger. Like anything else, romance involves tradeoffs and is neither completely good nor bad. Trust me – you are not a victim of cruelty. Beside you’re young. You are not going to die a virgin. You are so convinced that you are being denied that you miss the signs that there are women who want you. There are – just perhaps not the ones you would suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/205 "2009-08-23T06:41:00Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > Historians tell us that romantic love was an invention of the thirteenth century. It may not be as _natural_ a desire as you believe. > > You are overly idealizing “romantic love and sex”. You are so obsessed with the good things you imagine you are missing that you fail to recognize the problems you are avoiding. For many men the problems turn out to be greater than the benefits. The benefits are not so great as you imagine. The problems are bigger. Like anything else, romance involves tradeoffs and is neither completely good nor bad. Trust me – you are not a victim of cruelty. > > Beside you’re young. You are not going to die a virgin. > > You are so convinced that you are being denied that you miss the signs that there are women who want you. There are – just perhaps not the ones you would suspect. Trust me… NO WOMEN have EVER given me an indicator of interest. I am convinced there are ZERO women who want me. Like a female on your website said…a girl would rather stay home than date an unattractive guy with okay character…even if she herself is unattractive. Although she did try to go back on this quote. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/206 "2009-08-23T07:22:30Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > Historians tell us that romantic love was an invention of the thirteenth century. It may not be as _natural_ a desire as you believe. > > You are overly idealizing “romantic love and sex”. You are so obsessed with the good things you imagine you are missing that you fail to recognize the problems you are avoiding. For many men the problems turn out to be greater than the benefits. The benefits are not so great as you imagine. The problems are bigger. Like anything else, romance involves tradeoffs and is neither completely good nor bad. Trust me – you are not a victim of cruelty. > > Beside you’re young. You are not going to die a virgin. > > You are so convinced that you are being denied that you miss the signs that there are women who want you. There are – just perhaps not the ones you would suspect. Trust me… NO WOMEN have EVER given me an indicator of interest. I am convinced there are ZERO women who want me. Like a female on your website said…a girl would rather stay home than date an unattractive guy with okay character…even if she herself is unattractive. Although she did try to go back on this quote. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/207 "2009-08-23T07:27:35Z")
You seem rather hardened in your opinion – even though you claim to be dissatisfied with your own conclusion. It appears to be more important to you to prove your unlovability than to make yourself lovable. There are thousands of posts on this forum and you cling tenaciously to one quote from one woman – without even knowing what was going on in her life when she wrote it. How can you desire intimacy from creatures who say such nasty things? ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/208 "2009-08-23T12:20:13Z")
Advanced, I think you genuinely believe that. I’m also certain that you are fanatically convinced of your position and that no amount of argument or evidence will convince you otherwise. You don’t seem willing to doubt your own position at all, even for the purposes of experimentation. So I’m just going to do what I do when someone tries to convert me to his religion: shake my head and walk away. ---
**Author:** ![Vanyar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9de0a6/32.png) [@Vanyar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vanyar)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/209 "2009-08-23T17:08:49Z")
@TC First off I’m not bashing I just want to show you where I see the flaws in your logic. Out of all my friends I’m considered the best looking, I even did part time modelling when I was a teen, so naturally this would mean out of all of us I get the most of the girls, right? Wrong! Now I have one friend, who is probably the worst looking out of all of us and yet he actually picks up the most girls, at one stage he had two best friends fighting over him, and these where very good looking girls. The dude just spews charisma and to top it off he has high self esteem and a load of confidence. These are characteristics that I would consider vital in generating attraction and from what I have seen, they are. So to finish, yes everyone would like a good looking girl/boyfriend but that’s not to say a so called “ugly” person can’t pick up a hottie, sure I have seen it happen, even Style and Mystery aren’t lookers yet they consistently pick up 10’s. So I think you should revaluate your logic on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/210 "2009-08-23T18:14:04Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Yeah I can pay $400 to have sex (with a condom) with a hooker that does not care about me, only wants my money, and wants to get the hell out ASAP. > > Not interested. > > This is not just about the act of sexual intercourse itself but about the general denial of a romantic relationship with a female and everything that goes along with it (love, sex, etc.). Start with the intercourse. It’s better than nothing. You’ll be surprised how big a difference losing your virginity will make. Right now, the problem is that women look and feel very mysterious to you. (At least it was the case for me back in my virgin days.) No wonder you’re having trouble interacting with them, because you’re not even sure who you’re interacting with. Yeah, they’re women, but the mystery surrounding them clouds your judgment, and makes things difficult for you. Having sex for the first time will remove a big part of that mystery. You’ll see them as regular human beings with female parts. As a result, you’ll think more clearly when it comes to women. In turn, it will make getting romance and companionship (which is what you’re really after) much easier. You might even find your first relationship. And if all you’ll get at first is just a date or two, it already means you made progress. Should you decide to go through with it, don’t worry too much about looking cool or attractive to her. They’ve seen it all, and if anything, you might be one of her better-looking clients. Just treat her with the respect you’d give to any service worker, pay in full, and leave on time. ---
**Author:** ![Cozmo\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a8b319/32.png) [@Cozmo\_G](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cozmo_G)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/211 "2009-08-23T19:37:06Z")
I haven’t read the whole thread, but in response to the OP, let me say this: You are wrong. That’s it in a nutshell. I’ve had many friends that I’ve known in my life that were anything but clasically handsome in any way, shape or form and I’ve watched them get women time and time again. Add to it the fact that I can think of at least one that didn’t have a job or his own place at one point as an adult and I think you can begin to see where I’m going with this. It’s attitude, brother. Plain and simple. Yours needs some major work. ‘Whether you believe we can or we can’t, you’re usually right.’ -Henry Ford Yours is a textbook case of the Law of Attraction in action. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/212 "2009-08-23T19:56:40Z")
> [@Cozmo\_G](#): > > I haven’t read the whole thread, but in response to the OP, let me say this: You are wrong. That’s it in a nutshell. I’ve had many friends that I’ve known in my life that were anything but clasically handsome in any way, shape or form and I’ve watched them get women time and time again. Add to it the fact that I can think of at least one that didn’t have a job or his own place at one point as an adult and I think you can begin to see where I’m going with this. First you guys keep saying stuff like “oh i know a guy who was not attractive” see…theres a BIG difference between being just a little below average (which i assume 99% of these examples you guys spam are) and very HIDEOUS. (in the bottom 5 percent). Your friends were probably mostly 4-5s out of 10s and not 1-3s out of 10s. Like I said there is a HUUUGE difference. Secondly you guys keep giving the same exact “I know an unattractive guy and he has a girlfriend” logic over and over. It’s like if I’ve read one criticism i’ve read them all. ---
**Author:** ![pheroclone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheroclone/32/1312_2.png) [@pheroclone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheroclone)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/213 "2009-08-23T20:01:40Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > First you guys keep saying stuff like “oh i know a guy who was not attractive” see…theres a BIG difference between being just a little below average (which i assume 99% of these examples you guys spam are) and very HIDEOUS. (in the bottom 5 percent). Your friends were probably mostly 4-5s out of 10s and not 1-3s out of 10s. Like I said there is a HUUUGE difference. > > Secondly you guys keep giving the same exact “I know an unattractive guy and he has a girlfriend” logic over and over. It’s like if I’ve read one criticism i’ve read them all. How about you respond to some of these people who make valid points? You can no longer use the above argument.. I proved that in my last post, which you again ignored because you couldn’t come up with a response. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/214 "2009-08-23T20:13:46Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Secondly you guys keep giving the same exact “I know an unattractive guy and he has a girlfriend” logic over and over. It’s like if I’ve read one criticism i’ve read them all. Strange… Don’t YOU keep coming up with the same stuff all the time? “I’m ugly - and that’s because I won’t have any women in my life!!” These guys here that keep saying that they know unattractive guys that HAVE success with women is the simple proof that you are plain wrong. But unfortunately you are so blinded by your self-pity that you don’t even see this simple fact! Suggestion: Post a pic of you (I suppose your avatar over at love-shy doesn’t show you, right?) and we’ll tell you if you are indeed so damn outright ugly that only plastic surgery can help. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/215 "2009-08-23T20:16:34Z")
> [@pheroclone](#): > > How about you respond to some of these people who make valid points? You can no longer use the above argument.. I proved that in my last post, which you again ignored because you couldn’t come up with a response. I already explained it and you were not the first person to make almost the exact same argument. Certain things are an accurate representation of the norm. For example an east asian male being 5’7 is the norm. However, an east asian male being 7’6 (Yao Ming) is NOT the norm, and thus, NOT an accurate representation of the norm. So my cousin, a hideous fat chick, who still gets tons of male attention is the norm. Another member of this forum is 40 years old and she says she is overweight but still gets tons of male attention…now she thinks its because of her “pheromones” 🙄 but we all know its because heterosexual males, by large, have no standards and will take pretty much any human female. On the other hand, like butterfly said, unattractive females would rather stay home than date unattractive males even if they have okay character. To explain why what butterfly said is true…I explained that ALL WOMEN have tons of options so they can afford to be PICKY PICKY PICKY…I then used my cousin as an example of that. But like i said…unattractive males would be more than happy to date unattractive females. The moment an unattractive female shows ANY interest in an unattractive male…said unattractive male goes ape shit, falls in love with her FAST, and worships her as a goddess…that is until she leaves him for a more attractive male..but even then they continue to worship her in hopes of being rebound boy. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/216 "2009-08-23T20:27:09Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Strange… Don’t YOU keep coming up with the same stuff all the time? “I’m ugly - and that’s because I won’t have any women in my life!!” > > These guys here that keep saying that they know unattractive guys that HAVE success with women is the simple proof that you are plain wrong. But unfortunately you are so blinded by your self-pity that you don’t even see this simple fact! > > Suggestion: Post a pic of you (I suppose your avatar over at love-shy doesn’t show you, right?) and we’ll tell you if you are indeed so damn outright ugly that only plastic surgery can help. No the avatar over at love-shy is not me. Thats Yao Ming. a 7 foot 6 chinese basketball player who plays for the Rockets (although his career looks to be in danger). HERE is a pic of me. It is my rhinoplasty before and after picture. Before is on the left. After is on the right. [http://i25.tinypic.com/fck6fm.jpg](http://i25.tinypic.com/fck6fm.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/217 "2009-08-23T20:32:43Z")
You know what your problem is? You only see what you want to see and what proofs YOUR theory. Everything that could proof the exact opposite is wrong or simply out of the norm. There’s been TONS of posts with proof against your point, still you cling to the odd one out that reads as if it’s proof for your point. Could it be that you are a little afraid of the possibility that you are wrong? That you were wrong all the time? That you might have completely other issues to overcome - maybe issues that lie way deeper in your personality? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/218 "2009-08-23T20:36:24Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > No the avatar over at love-shy is not me. Thats Yao Ming. a 7 foot 6 chinese basketball player who plays for the Rockets (although his career looks to be in danger). > > HERE is a pic of me. It is my rhinoplasty before and after picture. Before is on the left. After is on the right. > > [http://i25.tinypic.com/fck6fm.jpg](http://i25.tinypic.com/fck6fm.jpg) And that is what you call downright ugly?? Errmm… Advanced - I don’t see anything ugly in these pictures. You are certainly not a Brad Pitt, but you are faaaar from ugly! Shall I show you a pic of one ugly guy (actually one of my favourite musicians - sorry Devin 😃) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/7/71f74e72028169d3dd6fc22ba56c25fdf0bf62a1.jpeg) And guess what? This guy is happily married! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/219 "2009-08-23T20:41:45Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > You know what your problem is? You only see what you want to see and what proofs YOUR theory. Everything that could proof the exact opposite is wrong or simply out of the norm. There’s been TONS of posts with proof against your point, still you cling to the odd one out that reads as if it’s proof for your point. > > Could it be that you are a little afraid of the possibility that you are wrong? That you were wrong all the time? That you might have completely other issues to overcome - maybe issues that lie way deeper in your personality? First of all the “TONS” of posts with “proof” against my point are all the same. “well i know an unattractive guy…gets girls…etc.” Its like if I’ve read one reply i’ve read them all. I made a preemptive strike against this argument but you guys spammed it anyways…you just couldnt help yourself. You guys keep shooting my bulletproof vest. Its male fantasy…you guys are seeing what you want to see…but you ignore what you dont want to see. At LEAST 15 percent of adult males live this life. I am the voice of the single desperate lonely male virgin generation…along Dwayne Holloway, steve hoca, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/220 "2009-08-23T20:45:08Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > And that is what you call downright ugly?? Errmm… Advanced - I don’t see anything ugly in these pictures. You are certainly not a Brad Pitt, but you are faaaar from ugly! Shall I show you a pic of one ugly guy (actually one of my favourite musicians - sorry Devin 😃) > > [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/\_oUR61cAu4f4/SleTj93-VdI/AAAAAAAAAKA/\_kJIyJo0P84/s400/old\_dev.jpg](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oUR61cAu4f4/SleTj93-VdI/AAAAAAAAAKA/_kJIyJo0P84/s400/old_dev.jpg) > > And guess what? This guy is happily married! 🙂 East asians are all tall. Rumors that the average east asian male is 5’7 are completely bunk!! Look at Yao Ming!!! ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/7/71cee66a955ad7f1743e21a43a203c19ca9e111c.jpeg) Clearly east asians are no shorter than any other race…this picture is proof of that and any further against this argument will be met with more pictures of Yao Ming…because he’s clearly proof that east asians are not 5’7 on average. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/221 "2009-08-23T20:50:12Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > First of all the “TONS” of posts with “proof” against my point are all the same. “well i know an unattractive guy…gets girls…etc.” Its like if I’ve read one reply i’ve read them all. I don’t get it! How are we supposed to show you the pure _possibility_ of you being wrong, when showing many examples against your point doesn’t count? Of course people are saying the same - that there ARE lots of unattractive guys who get women - because that’s the reality. If you still refuse to see even the possibility, please crawl back to your suicide club and leave us alone… [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619.md?page=10) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619.md?page=12)