# When will you guys realize that LOOKS are almost all that matters!? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 17, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619 "2009-08-17T05:04:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/41 "2009-08-17T07:56:47Z")
> [@Vaccine](#): > > A few things. This person is fairly confused or intentionally seeming so, as this forum is a not a PUA forum, but a pheromone forum. > > Also this person has an agenda and simply isn’t honest about it, but if you’ve been around, you’ve seen this person post under the other accounts they use. Yesterday this person was pretending to be female claiming to be new to pheromones and talking about her friend who used them. > > Criticism is fine, but it’s these hamhanded attempts at a straw man attack are amaturish and laughable. I wonder what the IP logs will show? This forum used to be [www.attractionforums.com](http://www.attractionforums.com) and it was a PUA community. That re-directs to this website and I thought this was a PUA website as well. You guys went from a PUA community to a [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) forum? I guess PUA was milked for all it was worth and someone decided they could make more $$$ selling this snake oil to you. Also I am not anyone else from this forum. ---
**Author:** ![silentscope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/silentscope/32/2218_2.png) [@silentscope](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/silentscope)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/42 "2009-08-17T08:12:22Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Every time you PUAs are confronted with the truth you guys get all pissed and start making ad hominem attacks. Its like a christian fundie being presented proof of evolution or carbon dating. If your a troll this video is for you. www.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Ptb5fYiTw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Ptb5fYiTw) ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/43 "2009-08-17T08:25:08Z")
Also I thought that this pheromone crap was a sub-genre of PUA. Like I thought this was the crap Mystery and those other PUA con artists were selling. So its a different scam all together I see. Also this pheromone crap isnt new. I remember getting spam e-mails over 10 years ago about this crap. A friend of mine tried bought some of this crap way back in high school…needless to say it didnt work. I just did some more lurking and read some more threads and I have seen lots of “A## did not work for me, should I try A###?” You guys are stupid and keep buying more and more of this snake oil not realizing you have been scammed. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/44 "2009-08-17T08:32:26Z")
This forum has been a pheromone community for years, there’s a reason it’s “[pheromonetalk.com](http://pheromonetalk.com)”. Based on your attitude and misconceptions on attraction (which by the way has been studied on in depth by social-psychologists and experts in human behavior; I did a major university project on it) it is no mystery why women are repulsed by you. You really can’t use your looks as an excuse. If you spent any time dealing with women or watching social interactions you would see that tons of guys with magnetic personalities get beautiful girls over guys who look like models. It doesn’t even take long to realize it. If your friend is on a quest to improve his life, his self-image and is happy doing it, it is a shame he has a friend like you setting him back this way. The attitude and mindset you provide him is most likely what is still causing this lack of progress. If he’s smart and is serious about improving himself, the first thing he should do is either to tell you to keep your comments to yourself or break the friendship. I don’t mean to sound like I’m attacking you, it’s just the truth. The most important attitude that one can adopt from the PUA mindset is the desire to improve, the rest is just an approach that might not be for you, but it does work for many, many men. I’m 5’6 used to weigh 125 pounds and although I have been blessed with some good features I have all my life been blessed with the company and yes a good amount of sexual experiences since I was a teen. I am now 165 pounds, buff, but maybe a few pounds overweight and my success with women is even greater than ever. Not saying I’ve ever been a huge player, but I have dated beautiful, intelligent, women I chose not because I limited myself to thinking “this is as good as I can get”, but rather just going for those that I just had to pursue. Over the years I have heard girls call me “handsome”, “good looking”, “cute”, “too short”, "not my type, and even “ugly”. Pretty much everything in the spectrum. It has made me not really know where on the looks scale I fall into, but my attitude and personality has always helped tip the scales on the positive side. However, not only is beauty in the eyes of the beholder, but in the dating game only a factor. Not saying that a truly horrific guy who is terribly groomed and smells awful can expect his personality to make up for it, but extremes are never good examples. It works the other way too; my best friend attracts huge numbers of girls because of his looks, but his insecure personality makes his sucess with them limited. ps. I’m not a PUA or associated with any PUA community. Also I sound harsh, but you have been much more to one of your apparently “good” friends. pps. I see this topic has been nominated for topic of the week. Although the discussion that arises from it is interesting, I don’t think the topic starter should be rewarded for the insulting comments he posted about another person. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/45 "2009-08-17T08:38:42Z")
> [@dapg01](#): > > This forum has been a pheromone community for years, there’s a reason it’s “[pheromonetalk.com](http://pheromonetalk.com)”. [www.attractionforums.com](http://www.attractionforums.com) It used to be a PUA forum. So THATS why I thought it was a PUA forum. It re-directs to this website now…click it if you dont believe me. I guess these pheromone con artists bought out that PUA forum and used the link as a re-direct. I guess they bought them out because both this pheromone snake oil crap and PUA appeal to the same demographic…naive desperate lonely males age 16-30. It all makes sense to me now! ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/46 "2009-08-17T08:45:58Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Also I thought that this pheromone crap was a sub-genre of PUA. Like I thought this was the crap Mystery and those other PUA con artists were selling. > > So its a different scam all together I see. > > Also this pheromone crap isnt new. I remember getting spam e-mails over 10 years ago about this crap. A friend of mine tried bought some of this crap way back in high school…needless to say it didnt work. > > I just did some more lurking and read some more threads and I have seen lots of “A## did not work for me, should I try A###?” > > > [@](#): > > > > You guys are stupid and keep buying more and more of this snake oil not realizing you have been scammed. The truth is that most of the forum members here are not stupid and that is the reason that they remain. I for one am not as well educated as many here and at the age of 57 and having had a rough upbringing without parents and learning to live upon my witts i have learned to read body language from a young age. Therefore i have seen the very real effects of synthetic as well as natural pheromones upon society and some of the self effects i receive are absolutley priceless. I have been using pheromone applications for around 15 years and some formulations are a scam and others are most certainly genuine. So let the past be the past and hang around make some friends and learn what can work well to give you some good social attraction and also some really great fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/47 "2009-08-17T08:53:56Z")
Advanced isn’t very advanced, he’s just a lonely troll jerkin’ your chains while strokin’ his joystick for a cheap thrill. The little wake he created somehow makes his miserable lot in life seem a little more significant. Don’t waste your time responding. ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/48 "2009-08-17T08:55:05Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > [www.attractionforums.com](http://www.attractionforums.com) It used to be a PUA forum. So THATS why I thought it was a PUA forum. It re-directs to this website now…click it if you dont believe me. > > I guess these pheromone con artists bought out that PUA forum and used the link as a re-direct. > > I guess they bought them out because both this pheromone snake oil crap and PUA appeal to the same demographic…naive desperate lonely males age 16-30. > > It all makes sense to me now! Are you sure you’re not thinking of [The Attraction Forums - Free Pickup and Dating Advice](http://www.theattractionforums.com/) , which _is_ a PUA community and is still active? ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/49 "2009-08-17T08:55:33Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > The truth is that most of the forum members here are not stupid and that is the reason that they remain. > I for one am not as well educated as many here and at the age of 57 and having had a rough upbringing without parents and learning to live upon my witts i have learned to read body language from a young age. > Therefore i have seen the very real effects of synthetic as well as natural pheromones upon society and some of the self effects i receive are absolutley priceless. > I have been using pheromone applications for around 15 years and some formulations are a scam and others are most certainly genuine. > So let the past be the past and hang around make some friends and learn what can work well to give you some good social attraction and also some really great fun. 🙂 Think about this dude…if any of this stuff REALLY worked…word would spread like crazy, it would make international news and it would be sold in every store in every country…from 7/11 to Walmart…from USA to Japan…the makers would EASILY become richer than warren buffet and bill gates combined. Guys will do ANYTHING to try to attract women…and if there was some product out there that would ACTUALLY increase your chances at getting a woman…even marginally…almost every heterosexual male in the world would buy it…because being able to attract women easily is hands down the most common male fantasy. Most guys would rather have the ability to easily attract women than even say…flight or telekinesis. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/50 "2009-08-17T08:56:25Z")
> [@justaguy2116](#): > > Are you sure you’re not thinking of [The Attraction Forums - Free Pickup and Dating Advice](http://www.theattractionforums.com/) , which _is_ a PUA community and is still active? OK you are right…i thought it was [www.attractionforums.com](http://www.attractionforums.com) (which re-directs HERE) but I forgot it’s [www.theattractionforums.com](http://www.theattractionforums.com) which is the PUA community I used to lurk at a while back. But the fact remains…this is snake oil. ---
**Author:** ![subVerse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@subVerse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/subVerse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/51 "2009-08-17T08:59:49Z")
Somebody ban this df already. ---
**Author:** ![charles\_p](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@charles\_p](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/charles_p)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/52 "2009-08-17T09:15:32Z")
I think banning this gentleman is the wrong answer, for he is merely provoking discussion (as far as I can tell) on whether girls take looks to be the most primary driver when seeking a man…if so, then of course, most PUA strategies would be negated. I for one have seen the effect that pheros have had on me and on the opposite sex. I’m a portly chap (a polite way of saying I’m FAT), and certainly, by most standards, not possessing the most attractive face (another polite way of saying I would have trouble attracting an anteater..), but there’s PUA and there’s pheros. Agreed, PUA is total nonsense. That may work in some areas in the US, but I can say for sure it’s not universal, regardless of what others say. Pheros are an extension of one’s personality, serving to magnify one’s most positive traits. It’s those positive traits which help with attraction I feel. Young man, I agree with what you’re saying. I’m in pretty much the same boat as you. I don’t know you and you don’t know me, but take it from someone who has been on the receiving end of many “ugly” jokes…these products are not a scam. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/53 "2009-08-17T09:16:46Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Think about this dude…if any of this stuff REALLY worked…word would spread like crazy, it would make international news and it would be sold in every store in every country…from 7/11 to Walmart…from USA to Japan…the makers would EASILY become richer than warren buffet and bill gates combined. > > Guys will do ANYTHING to try to attract women…and if there was some product out there that would ACTUALLY increase your chances at getting a woman…even marginally… > > > [@](#): > > > > almost every heterosexual male in the world would buy it… > > because being able to attract women easily is hands down the most common male fantasy. Most guys would rather have the ability to easily attract women than even say…flight or telekinesis. Forum members are just the tip of the iceberg and they are the pioneers in the advancement of Pheromone science . There are thousands of Pheromone sales sites world wide also on eBay in every country, you would have to be absolutley blind not to be aware just how much of these products are purchased and worn worldwide by many whome you also would not have any idea are users. Yes pheromone sales are through the roof , look the developed world is in the middle of a depression and look will you ! NO ONE IS SELLING CUT PRICE DISCOUNT PHEROMONES Do you know why ??? Because demand for these products has not slackened . Whilst users are receiving an edge they will always purchase, especially professional people, and those in sales will buy this stuff by the bucket load because it works to bring in sales and create an atmosphere of trust for the wearer. Also think about colognes and perfume yea its all in the same game Its called attraction 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/54 "2009-08-17T09:17:31Z")
> [@subVerse](#): > > Somebody ban this df already. Dont worry…I am sure the owner will ban me soon enough for calling out his snake oil for what it is. I am sure he is laughing at all of you guys for making him rich. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/55 "2009-08-17T09:21:58Z")
> [@charles\_p](#): > > I think banning this gentleman is the wrong answer, for he is merely provoking discussion (as far as I can tell) on whether girls take looks to be the most primary driver when seeking a man…if so, then of course, most PUA strategies would be negated. > > I for one have seen the effect that pheros have had on me and on the opposite sex. I’m a portly chap (a polite way of saying I’m FAT), and certainly, by most standards, not possessing the most attractive face (another polite way of saying I would have trouble attracting an anteater..), but there’s PUA and there’s pheros. > > Agreed, PUA is total nonsense. That may work in some areas in the US, but I can say for sure it’s not universal, regardless of what others say. Pheros are an extension of one’s personality, serving to magnify one’s most positive traits. It’s those positive traits which help with attraction I feel. > > Young man, I agree with what you’re saying. I’m in pretty much the same boat as you. I don’t know you and you don’t know me, but take it from someone who has been on the receiving end of many “ugly” jokes…these products are not a scam. How do you know? Do you spray it on and females flock to you like they do in those Axe body spray commercials? Do you know what a placebo effect is? ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/56 "2009-08-17T09:27:02Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > How do you know? Do you spray it on and females flock to you like they do in those Axe body spray commericals? > > Do you know what a placebo effect is? If you’re asserting that charles\_p’s success is due to the placebo effect, then doesn’t that also negate your original thesis that “confidence” and “game” do not factor into whether one gets laid or not? The placebo effect in this case would essentially be the confidence one gains from thinking that he is wearing a substance that will enhance his desirability in women’s eyes – if you’re saying that it is this confidence, the placebo effect, that is getting him laid, then aren’t you admitting that confidence does, in fact, overcome attractiveness problems? I can’t think of any other placebo effect that pheromones would have - you can’t change your physical appearance by power of thought, and I would certainly hope that the products did not cause charles\_p to hallucinate that he was getting action. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/57 "2009-08-17T09:29:53Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Dont worry…I am sure the owner will ban me soon enough for calling out his snake oil for what it is. > > I am sure he is laughing at all of you guys for making him rich. If you had the slightest idea about the character, integrity and the hard work that the owner contributes to the success of the forum members experiences here then you would never make sutch cruel and unqualified statements as you have above. ---
**Author:** ![Advanced](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/58956e/32.png) [@Advanced](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Advanced)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/58 "2009-08-17T09:31:52Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > Yes pheromone sales are through the roof , look the developed world is in the middle of a depression and look will you ! NO ONE IS SELLING CUT PRICE DISCOUNT PHEROMONES Do you know why ??? Because demand for these products has not slackened . Yeah but if this stuff WORKED than it would be sold all across the world. Every 7/11 and Walmart would have an endless supply. If the demand was as high as you claim how come I dont see this stuff all over the place? Its only popular within a small group of guys who keep shelling out the cash for this snake oil. And you cant compare this stuff to cologne or perfume…because those are things that are supposed to smell good. Even members on here admit that this pheromone stuff smells like BO. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/59 "2009-08-17T09:35:55Z")
> [@Advanced](#): > > Yeah but if this stuff WORKED than it would be sold all across the world. Every 7/11 and Walmart would have an endless supply. If the demand was as high as you claim how come I dont see this stuff all over the place? > > > [@](#): > > > > Its only popular within a small group of guys who keep shelling out the cash for this snake oil. > > And you cant compare this stuff to cologne or perfume…because those are things that are supposed to smell good. Even members on here admit that this pheromone stuff smells like BO. I wonder why you are blind ?? 😮 There are thousands of Pheromone sales sites world wide also on eBay in every country, you would have to be absolutley blind not to be aware just how much of these products are purchased and worn worldwide by many whome you also would not have any idea are users. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619/60 "2009-08-17T09:36:28Z")
And girls. Very popular with the girls on here. > [@Advanced](#): > > Its only popular within a small group of guys who keep shelling out the cash for this snake oil. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/when-will-you-guys-realize-that-looks-are-almost-all-that-matters/31619.md?page=4)