# Where to apply seven new products, which mixes work, and what are TAL and TAH? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 3, 2007, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889 "2007-02-03T14:05:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bonvoyage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9adbd/32.png) [@bonvoyage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bonvoyage)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/1 "2007-02-03T14:05:36Z")
Hey, I just bought Instant Openness, Instant Shine, A314, Turn Up the Heat, Ammo, Instant Honesty, and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). Do you know the best part of the body to apply these pheromones without affecting you? I mean I don’t want to wear Instant Honesty where I start to spilling off my beans. What are the different mixtures that you find useful and working? What is the maximum dose so you don’t OD on your pheromone wear? Which pheromones you want to apply on you and have some effects on you? And what is TAL and TAH? I’ve read different topics. Some said it worked well on men and some said it worked well on women? Are they for men or women? Thanks in advance… ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 5:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/2 "2007-02-03T17:28:16Z")
Here’s what works for me: - Instant Openness, at back of neck and back of wrists - Instant Shine, front, sides of neck, face (I **do** want to be affected) - A314, at notch of neck and pecs (I **do** want to be affected) - [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), belt buckle, zipper, crotch (NB: I use straight Androstenone, not TUTH) - Ammo, back of hand, wrist (inside) \*]Instant Honesty, same as Ammo, forearms ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) ---
**Author:** ![Dragonslayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Dragonslayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dragonslayer)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/3 "2007-02-03T17:44:29Z")
How many sprays from each, i am 19 and tryin to get woman between the ages of 18-23? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/4 "2007-02-03T19:51:49Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > Here’s what works for me: > > - Instant Openness, at back of neck and back of wrists > - Instant Shine, front, sides of neck, face (I **do** want to be affected) > - A314, at notch of neck and pecs (I **do** want to be affected) > - Turn Up the Heat, belt buckle, zipper, crotch (NB: I use straight Androstenone, not Turn Up The Heat) > - Ammo, back of hand, wrist (inside) > - Instant Honesty, same as Ammo, forearms > ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) Awesome post MarkL: Sure to come in handy ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/5 "2007-02-04T00:51:07Z")
for doses following the order of MarkL’s list of phero’s > [@](#): > > Instant Openness, at back of neck and back of wrists > Instant Shine, front, sides of neck, face (I **do** want to be affected) > A314, at notch of neck and pecs (I **do** want to be affected) > Turn Up the Heat, belt buckle, zipper, crotch (NB: I use straight Androstenone, not Turn Up The Heat) > Ammo, back of hand, wrist (inside) > Instant Honesty, same as Ammo, forearms 1-3 sprays1-3 sprays 1 drop 1/2 to 1 spray 1 spray, maybe 2 if it’s realy smokey, but even then 1 would probably be best. 1-3 Don’t wear ammo and T.U.T.H. at the same time. a314 can be a little stand off ish so if you put it on early in the day, your fine, or smear a little under your nose before you go out. It’s best for work environments, but can create attraction. Be careful of it with the ammo and T.U.T.H. Use honesty and openness to buffer the ammo and T.U.T.H. Shine work for this as well, but not to the same extent, and is best not to be thought of as something that buffers, but a great product to add in for it’s specific results. Here are some starter mixes i’ve used (btw I also have straight androstenone as opposed to T.U.T.H, and alpha and beta -nol for openness and honesty) Gernal out and about mix. Friendly with respect and good communication. A314 x1 Openness x2 Honesty x1 Shine x2 Work A314 x1 Shine x2 Smokey party/bar going for attraction Ammo x1 or T.U.T.H. x1 Shine x2-3 Openness 2-3 Honesty 1-2 (or leave out entirely as parties and bars aren’t realy the place for deep conversation. Honesty is good if you have a target in mind.) Non smokey environment party/bar going for attraction Ammo x1, or T.U.T.H. x1/2 Shine x2-3 Openness 2-3 Honesty 1-2 (or leave out entirely as parties and bars aren’t realy the place for deep conversation. Honesty is good if you have a target in mind.) Party, friends, not looking for attraction Shine x2-3 Openness 2-3 Honesty 1-2 (or leave out entirely as parties and bars aren’t realy the place for deep conversation. Honesty is good if you have a target in mind.) Conversation only Openness x1-4 honesty x1-3 (for deeper conversation added) - If you use both, don’t apply higher quantities for both, and you can taylor the depth of conversation by using Openness over honesty or in the reverse. Even leaving out one to go soley for chatty, or deep. attraction Ammo 1 or T.U.T.H. x1/2-1 - add some shine if you like 1-3 vibrance Shine 1-4 - Lower doses seem to get better attention from younger age groups. Some pretty spectacular results reported at doses as low as 1 spray. I think that ammo is a better option than T.U.T.H. if you aren’t "on the prowl. Check out the phero color chart for more ideas > [@Phero color chart by MuskCloud: a visual guide to choosing mixes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud/1833): > > MuskCloud, I uploaded this in photobucket since your attachment was never approved. I hope you don’t mind. Once again, Give all props to MuskCloud. He put a lot of work into this. It’s a good idea to test out these products individual to see how they work for you. Then you can decide on mixes and doses that work best for your personal [pheromone](https://a314.com/) signiture, action, personality, social group, ect. Blood type also has a good deal with androstenone based products O type has higher output of natural -none so there is a higher concern for an OD and negative results such as agitation, agression, and avoidance. A and B have much lower ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 8:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/6 "2007-02-04T08:08:43Z")
Thanks. This thread has been a real help to me as well. So now I’m thinking about using straight Androstenone instead of Turn Up The Heat in my mix. I’m kind of in the dark about what AndrosteRONE and the various TA\_'s are about. Could anybody help explain what these isolated components do? Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 8:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/7 "2007-02-04T08:14:16Z")
> [@Godhand](#): > > Thanks. This thread has been a real help to me as well. So now I’m thinking about using straight Androstenone instead of Turn Up The Heat in my mix. I’m kind of in the dark about what AndrosteRONE and the various TA\_'s are about. Could anybody help explain what these isolated components do? Thanks in advance. I bought androstenone instead of turn up the heat, because I didn’t want to use about 2.5 mcg, and I can taylor what I mix it with. I don’t know what’s in turn up the heat so I opted to stay away from it. I wouldn’t necessarily advise doing this as Turn up the heat is a taylored and successful mix. I have never even owned turn up the heat. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/8 "2007-02-04T14:09:58Z")
At the risk of starting to sound like a broken record, and into the bargain becoming the new people’s No. 1 enemy, I have to say again, USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION! There is an absolute fount of knowledge and experience on these forums, but you need to be prepared to look for it. Here for example, TAL is covered in detail: > [@TAL Questions](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tal-questions/1864): > > I have read almost opposite reviews of what happens with TAL. Jasmin stated in a post last year that it gave her (a female) an almost A-314 kinda vibe. A TOMASLAVOY (sp?) - male user - stated that when he does martial arts wearing TAL it kinda scares off the competition. SIGMA however equates it to a female comfort kinda vibe. Comments anyone, please? You have the choice when doing your serach of opting to view either threads or posts, and you can then browse everything at your own leisure, and not ask questions that have already been covered and answered time without number. Everybody here is very willing to help, but it becomes a tad wearing when we are answering the same questions time after time, so please, use that litle box up to the top right, and you will soon have all the answers you are looking for. It doesn’t take a great deal of effort on your part to use Search - in fact it takes less time for you to use that wonderful little box, than it would do for you to type out a thread, asking exactly the same thing that users X, Y and Z have already asked and had answered. I’m not trying to be a grump, but I for one, and I know a few others are too, are getting a bit fed up answering questions that have already been covered in full elsewhere. When you use Search, you are covering ALL the forums, so you don’t risk missing out on something you may have, if you were simply to trawl individual forums manually. That is something I see happening a lot, because new people don’t realise if they want answers on TAH and TAL for example, they need primarily to be looking at the women’s forum, whereas if they had used Search in the first place, they would automatically have had every post or thread on TAH or TAL (depending on their search preference) come up for them at once, and could happily work their way through the data. We all had to start somewhere, and everybody here is VERY helpful, but trust me, you will get far more help if you have actually used Search first. THEN, if you still have further questions, go ahead and make threads such as this. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/9 "2007-02-04T17:14:03Z")
I think Ail is right about learning to use the Search function. Just about everyone here will help in the way they can best help. I look at it as a token of respect to try searching first (helping yourself) before asking for help from others. Search is even more important now that there’s an explosion in post volume. I’m pretty sure of this: it makes things so much more fun if the questions being asked in forums are novel in some way … "_I tried searching for something about xxx but only found yyy …"_ BUT maybe we could start a **Frequently Asked Questions** thread – which would be useful as long as a moderator pinned the topic and kept the posts in it … ummm … on topic! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/10 "2007-02-04T17:21:45Z")
Here’s what I did when I wanted different veiw points from other users on the products. I started reading the last page all the way to the first page. Sure I had questions, but most were already answered, and I increased my knowledge tenfold and had some fun at it too. I am not saying I read every post to every thread, but I did scim over 99% of them and found some great insights. Oh and if you’re really, really lucky: you’ll find the picture of Jasmin getting autographed by Neil Strauss(The Game). Jasmin is very cute and that in itself was worth to put a face to the voice. Anyway that’s just my $79.65 Search is valuable too. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/11 "2007-02-04T18:28:07Z")
I agree. Way too much redundancy in the threads lately. Not to be an ass, but yeah…It would be of benefit to the community as a whole, if people took the time to find the answers before making a new thread. Kinda hurts the flow of new information, when the forum gets flooded with redundant questions. I’m all about being supportive, but it admittedly gets tiring, answering the same question time and time again. I find the answers to most of my inquiries via the search function. I still use it regularly to do some research before building mixes. There’s quite a bit of good information archived in this forum already. > [@MarkL](#): > > I think Ail is right about learning to use the Search function. Just about everyone here will help in the way they can best help. I look at it as a token of respect to try searching first (helping yourself) before asking for help from others. > > Search is even more important now that there’s an explosion in post volume. > > I’m pretty sure of this: it makes things so much more fun if the questions being asked in forums are novel in some way … "_I tried searching for something about xxx but only found yyy …"_ > > BUT maybe we could start a **Frequently Asked Questions** thread – which would be useful as long as a moderator pinned the topic and kept the posts in it … ummm … on topic! ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/12 "2007-02-04T18:34:43Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > I bought androstenone instead of turn up the heat, because I didn’t want to use about 2.5 mcg, and I can taylor what I mix it with. I don’t know what’s in turn up the heat so I opted to stay away from it. > > I wouldn’t necessarily advise doing this as Turn up the heat is a taylored and successful mix. > > I have never even owned turn up the heat. The thing is that I’m trying to pimp out this bottle of Realm Men that I got laying around. Right now, I’m thinking about adding androstenone, androsterone, Spaceland, TAA, and TAC to it in order to make it useful. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/13 "2007-02-04T18:41:54Z")
> [@Godhand](#): > > The thing is that I’m trying to pimp out this bottle of Realm Men that I got laying around. Right now, I’m thinking about adding androstenone, androsterone, Spaceland, TAA, and TAC to it in order to make it useful. I would recommend using TUTH instead of raw androstenone for newer users. TUTH seems to temper the negative aspects of androstenone down, making it a bit more easy to use. I’ve used quite a few androstenone products, including raw androstenone. TUTH is my androstenone product of choice. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/14 "2007-02-04T19:00:13Z")
All in all as a operator of multiple forums myself I always do stress the use of search functions, however, I will say this. This particular thread has some valuable information on where to place the product, how much to apply and what to apply for certain results. After reading through the entire forum, just because I am a knowledge whore, this to me is a fantastic thread that I have not really come across before. I personally vote this thread should be sticky. Maybe even having all the users revealing what mixes work for them and how they apply at and what results they go for and then have a separate sticky thread for that, or add it to the FAQ. Now that would rock? Another thing to consider is that each user believes their experience and or situation to be completely different from everybody else’s, so a search would bear fruitless results. Like I said before, I’ve read almost every post in every thread, and yet almost everyone was completely different in suggesting what to do. I’m not sure that it’s possible to streamline such a unique product like [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) that rely on body chemistry. Searching first is a great place to start though! ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/15 "2007-02-04T19:41:23Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > Another thing to consider is that each user believes their experience and or situation to be completely different from everybody else’s, so a search would bear fruitless results. Like I said before, I’ve read almost every post in every thread, and yet almost everyone was completely different in suggesting what to do. I’m not sure that it’s possible to streamline such a unique product like pheromones that rely on body chemistry. > > Searching first is a great place to start though! This is why personal experimentation is so important when it comes to pheromone use…particularly with the experimone and putative series products. There’s too much personal variability from person to person, and too much difference in ‘phero-philosophy’ to conclusively say what will work, and what won’t. Most people arrive at their own conclusions and methods to pheromone use through a process of trial and error…there’s a bit of risk involved with experimenting with pheromones, but in taking these risks, we learn more about pheromones, and we learn more about ourselves. Discussion of personal experiences can, however, pin down certain concistencies about what products and pheromones do…thats the beauty of the forum really. It can also give some perspective to things, and inspire ideas of how to use pheromones, which is always helpful. For this reason I’m all for giving my input whenever I can. But it does get redundant sometimes, when the same questions are asked time and time again. Most of the info here has been covered before actually. But I agree that it would be helpful if we could consolidate all the general information down into one area. I know pheroquirk started an editable document about a month back. I really think we should work on getting that updated. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/16 "2007-02-04T20:05:30Z")
Yup I agree with you 100% I was just pointing out that this is standard protocal for every Noob on every forum to post b4 searching. Maybe we can invent a pheromone that teaches the brain to search first b4 posting. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/17 "2007-02-05T07:51:29Z")
You would THINK it would be standard form for new people on a forum to use the Search function if one is available, but from what we are experiencing here right now, clearly it is not. It takes so little time, and saves the same questions being asked time and time again, as Sigma rightly said. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 8:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/18 "2007-02-05T08:12:04Z")
Not every brand/type of forum has a search function. I didn’t even know one was here until somebody said where it was on the page and that it even existed. An FAQ section would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/19 "2007-02-05T14:45:22Z")
The FAQ link is in the dark blue bar at the top of every page (same bar that contains the Search button …) ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889/20 "2007-02-05T16:49:16Z")
I joinded [DSMtalk.com - DSM Forums :: Eclipse, Talon and Laser Information](http://www.dsmtalk.com) and they had a 7 day period where you couldn’t post. All I could do was search and use the faq. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/where-to-apply-seven-new-products-which-mixes-work-and-what-are-tal-and-tah/1889.md?page=2)