# Which combo for dating and LTR: A314 and AMMO, or A314 and Instant Female Magic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 3, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749 "2008-10-03T05:53:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dpayne292](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d2c977/32.png) [@dpayne292](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dpayne292)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/1 "2008-10-03T05:53:25Z")
I’m a guy that’s a bit on the heavier side(fat), and I’m not that attractive. I’m looking for something that will help me with Dating/LTR. I’m thinking **A314 and AMMO or A314 and Instant Female Magic.** Which of those would be better? If neither what would you guys suggest? EDIT: I do have confidence, and I’ve had dates before, I’m just looking for something that will build attraction towards myself. I’m 16, and girls my age normally go by looks, not personality or qualities. There are some that do, it’s just that building attraction will help me get rejected less. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/2 "2008-10-03T09:42:42Z")
Hello First I would say get rid of the mindset that your fat and unattractive. It shows lack of confidence and girls will pick up on that in a instant. Next I wouldnt suggest A314 for you. AMMO Ishine, or IO and IFM is what I would suggest. A314 ups your status but it dosnt make you more approachable. You have to have confidence to lead with this one. I would save that pick for later. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 12:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/3 "2008-10-03T12:17:50Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hello > > **First I would say get rid of the mindset that your fat and unattractive. It shows lack of confidence and girls will pick up on that in a instant.** > > Next I wouldnt suggest A314 for you. AMMO Instant Shine, or Instant Openness and Instant Female Magic is what I would suggest. > > A314 ups your status but it dosnt make you more approachable. You have to have confidence to lead with this one. I would save that pick for later. > > Tisha /thread no, seriously. they pick up on that shit faster than you’d pick up a pizza combo for 5.99 i’ve read around here before that guys "on the heavier side(fat), " naturally produce more a-Androstenol than less heavier (fat) guys. now i don’t know whether that is true or not but i do know that if you found a way to develop confidence in yourself that you will naturally attract more attention. one great way to do that is with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). the shit just smells good but has the ability to grab some attention. just the fact that you know something that they don’t should help you feel a bit more confident about the interaction. rinse and repeat a few times and mother nature takes over. ---
**Author:** ![dpayne292](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d2c977/32.png) [@dpayne292](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dpayne292)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/4 "2008-10-03T16:03:58Z")
I am fat but I do have a lot of confidence, Its just that I’m not that attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/5 "2008-10-03T17:09:23Z")
> [@dpayne292](#): > > I am fat but I do have a lot of confidence, Its just that I’m not that attractive. You are just not like Fat Bastard from Austin Power then, confident enough to say “I’m dead Sexy” (would it be [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/), spaceland or just instant shine that would help with that confidence?) The key is there is someone somewhere who finds you attractive, when she does find you all you can hope for is that you don’t turn her away being a glump, who is down on his luck. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/6 "2008-10-03T18:58:48Z")
Really man… unless you turn milk by looking at it - attractive/unattractive is ALOT more about how you act than how you look. Guys who THINK they look good walk around like they think they look good AND THAT LOOKS GOOD! Guys who don’t think they look good walk around like they don’t look good - Guess what, THAT LOOKS BAD. Unless you regularly have people coming up to you from out of the blue and saying - shit man… you are one ugly motherf\*\*\*er all it takes for you to look good is to THINK YOU LOOK GOOD. Once you got the confidence to walk around like you look good - and approach girls thinking that you look good - the rest is easy. Attractiveness is half what you have and half what you THINK you have. Pheromones are similar - 80% of how people react to you is YOU and 20% is the pheromones you are wearing… On that note my suggestion for Pheromones is Instant Shine, AMMO and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) - Like Tisha said A314 NEEDS confidence or it FAILS ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/7 "2008-10-03T19:06:02Z")
Reps Wrlprchnx, great and motivational post. ---
**Author:** ![in\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/in_uk/32/2130_2.png) [@in\_uk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/in_uk)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-combo-for-dating-and-ltr-a314-and-ammo-or-a314-and-instant-female-magic/20749/8 "2008-10-04T02:00:31Z")
reps from me too, self belief is a powerful thing that we all need to have.